One of those experiences that makes me question this Hobby

[cgilmo]

Matt... I'm sorry for your loss, but you said it yourself. Ripping is a risk. Sometimes you pull the Strasburg superfractor, sometimes you get nada. You got nada.

If you can't afford a loss, you shouldn't be buying at all.

Trust me, I've bought cases and look at the damage and realize that I've lost 50-75% of what I bought it for... but you're spending money on the risk of making a lot more. Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. If opening this stuff was a slam dunk moneymaker, everyone would do it.

I suspect the rest of the posts will echo my sentiments. I'm sorry, but ripping wax IS A GAMBLE.

Jeff, I agree 100% and was fully aware of the risk. I never ripped them thinking I was going to even make money. If I lost 10-15% I could swallow that and say it was worth the fun of ripping. It was so bloody bad that I have a tough time swallowing it.

To repeat, I understand it was a risk, and I am not looking for pity. Please, everyone reading this, I am not looking for your pity. I am just passing along my experience and what I am currently thinking about the hobby, etc.

skrip

Matt, that is how you should feel.

People that say "Risk" have no idea how to do math. At 8-10 cases, your risk should be negated. Even if you pull a 600 card out of that lot, you're still getting screwed. You should be getting like a 95% shot of getting within 10% of expected value per case.

To repeat, you should not have to buy 50 cases to negate risk. If that's the case, they're screwing the collation.

Topps has never been able to get the collation thing right. They continue to defy the odds on every product they make.

I would LOVE to see the math they're using to collate the cards.

You have no clue how much this or any product gets shuffled along the supply chain.

 

[Gonzaleznut]

Matt... I'm sorry for your loss, but you said it yourself. Ripping is a risk. Sometimes you pull the Strasburg superfractor, sometimes you get nada. You got nada.

If you can't afford a loss, you shouldn't be buying at all.

Trust me, I've bought cases and look at the damage and realize that I've lost 50-75% of what I bought it for... but you're spending money on the risk of making a lot more. Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. If opening this stuff was a slam dunk moneymaker, everyone would do it.

I suspect the rest of the posts will echo my sentiments. I'm sorry, but ripping wax IS A GAMBLE.

Jeff, I agree 100% and was fully aware of the risk. I never ripped them thinking I was going to even make money. If I lost 10-15% I could swallow that and say it was worth the fun of ripping. It was so bloody bad that I have a tough time swallowing it.

To repeat, I understand it was a risk, and I am not looking for pity. Please, everyone reading this, I am not looking for your pity. I am just passing along my experience and what I am currently thinking about the hobby, etc.

skrip

Are you joking with that comment??? Seriously...you guys who spend $5000++ on wax are total morons!! Mainly because you are doing it with money you don't have!! Borrowing money (i.e. putting it on the credit card) is completely nuts!!

To say you would be content losing 10-15% still means $500-700 just up in smoke!! I hope you had a REALLY, REALLY good time busting that wax.

Sorry for being so harsh, but I see it time and time again...people just pissing money down the drain...what a shame. Maybe someday after hearing hundreds of times on these boards..."Man, my case break really sucked!! or Wow, did I just take one up the rear on that one!!" you guys will learn your lesson.

For some reason I doubt you will ever learn.

 

[Big Mac McGwire]

That's why i do not buy any wax. Because i never had luck with it. If i want a certain card, i will go out and buy it.

Think about all the other cards you have acquired with no risk for 5600$. It would make me sick to my stomach as well.

I have seen other breaks you have had and some of them are mind blowing and just beautiful.

But you got a bad break. That's part of the risk you take cracking wax.

If you have money like that to blow then more power to you. You might as well have the same mind frame when you place a wager on a sporting event. Just assume like your ripping the money up, and if you hit , good for you.

 

[Weatherwarrior]

Skrip,

I honestly believe that coallation is the problem here. In 2008 I bought 4 boxes of bowman sterling from my lcs 3 boxes from one 4 box case and 1 from the other. out of those 4 boxes I pulled 3 red ref's (Greg Halman) a ton of black ref's and lots of hot auto's. Another red ref was pulled from that case by another customer. That being said should 4 1/1 red refractors be in the same 8 box case? Not only no but hell no. I mean the halman alone made my money back but that case was absolutely stacked. While fellow rippers busted 8 box cases and didn't even see a black ref auto? Now that to me symbolizes a problem. I am sorry for you luck with draft and I feel your pain I just hope that your player lots will help recoup some of your cost.

GL
WW

 

[Big Mac McGwire]

Draft has always been a big risk, you catch of bad streak of colored refractors and hit the wrong players
then you are done. It really does appear that there are some bad cases out there, you could of hit a
run of that. The plus of picking up cases prior to release is that you get a good price, the negative is
you can't see where the good stuff is coming from...sometimes early cases are hot, sometimes later
on, sometimes retail. Remember the guy who opened 25 cases of Ginter and didn't get one Stras??

Its chrome, sit on it and maybe someone will get hot.

Good Luck
Kevin

someone ripped 25, let me get that right, 25 cases and didn't get one Stras??? That is nuts.

 

[ChasHawk]

Matt... I'm sorry for your loss, but you said it yourself. Ripping is a risk. Sometimes you pull the Strasburg superfractor, sometimes you get nada. You got nada.

If you can't afford a loss, you shouldn't be buying at all.

Trust me, I've bought cases and look at the damage and realize that I've lost 50-75% of what I bought it for... but you're spending money on the risk of making a lot more. Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. If opening this stuff was a slam dunk moneymaker, everyone would do it.

I suspect the rest of the posts will echo my sentiments. I'm sorry, but ripping wax IS A GAMBLE.

Jeff, I agree 100% and was fully aware of the risk. I never ripped them thinking I was going to even make money. If I lost 10-15% I could swallow that and say it was worth the fun of ripping. It was so bloody bad that I have a tough time swallowing it.

To repeat, I understand it was a risk, and I am not looking for pity. Please, everyone reading this, I am not looking for your pity. I am just passing along my experience and what I am currently thinking about the hobby, etc.

skrip

Are you joking with that comment??? Seriously...you guys who spend $5000++ on wax are total morons!! Mainly because you are doing it with money you don't have!! Borrowing money (i.e. putting it on the credit card) is completely nuts!!

To say you would be content losing 10-15% still means $500-700 just up in smoke!! I hope you had a REALLY, REALLY good time busting that wax.

Sorry for being so harsh, but I see it time and time again...people just pissing money down the drain...what a shame. Maybe someday after hearing hundreds of times on these boards..."Man, my case break really sucked!! or Wow, did I just take one up the rear on that one!!" you guys will learn your lesson.

For some reason I doubt you will ever learn.

I don't bust wax either, but how the hell do you think you'd be able to collect....

Collecting Juan Gonzalez, Ivan Rodriguez, Josh Hamilton, and Michael Young Autos

...without guys like Matt busting tons of cases of product over the years??

 

[fkw]

What you describe is not baseball card collecting... Its gambling, and no different that slots or scratchers.

This is the only time is the so called "hobby" that a new issue (product) is potentially worth less than original retail price, when they are immediately opened.

Thats the real problem... ::facepalm::

Pre1982 you can go back every decade and not find a single example like these pseudo"cards" now days.

The ACC description of a true collector card as "Always issued FREE with a product or service of some kind".... never rang more true.

Sorry for your loses, but if youre trying to make cash, with that kind of $$ you could have bought a vintage set and broke it and made 50%+ profit, thats a given, and always will be.

You chose to go the gambling route, IMO if you leave the hobby because of this you were in the hobby for all the wrong reasons.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

Matt... I'm sorry for your loss, but you said it yourself. Ripping is a risk. Sometimes you pull the Strasburg superfractor, sometimes you get nada. You got nada.

If you can't afford a loss, you shouldn't be buying at all.

Trust me, I've bought cases and look at the damage and realize that I've lost 50-75% of what I bought it for... but you're spending money on the risk of making a lot more. Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. If opening this stuff was a slam dunk moneymaker, everyone would do it.

I suspect the rest of the posts will echo my sentiments. I'm sorry, but ripping wax IS A GAMBLE.

Jeff, I agree 100% and was fully aware of the risk. I never ripped them thinking I was going to even make money. If I lost 10-15% I could swallow that and say it was worth the fun of ripping. It was so bloody bad that I have a tough time swallowing it.

To repeat, I understand it was a risk, and I am not looking for pity. Please, everyone reading this, I am not looking for your pity. I am just passing along my experience and what I am currently thinking about the hobby, etc.

skrip

Are you joking with that comment??? Seriously...you guys who spend $5000++ on wax are total morons!! Mainly because you are doing it with money you don't have!! Borrowing money (i.e. putting it on the credit card) is completely nuts!!

To say you would be content losing 10-15% still means $500-700 just up in smoke!! I hope you had a REALLY, REALLY good time busting that wax.

Sorry for being so harsh, but I see it time and time again...people just pissing money down the drain...what a shame. Maybe someday after hearing hundreds of times on these boards..."Man, my case break really sucked!! or Wow, did I just take one up the rear on that one!!" you guys will learn your lesson.

For some reason I doubt you will ever learn.

I don't bust wax either, but how the hell do you think you'd be able to collect....

Collecting Juan Gonzalez, Ivan Rodriguez, Josh Hamilton, and Michael Young Autos

...without guys like Matt busting tons of cases of product over the years??

There are *always* going to be card distributors whether they are going to be big case busters, small case busters, box busters...or Walmart blaster busters.

 

[Ian Stewart]

Honestly, you have nobody to blame but yourself. You put it all on a credit card, banking on making it all back by reselling after opening?

Sorry, but that has to be one of the stupider things I have ever heard of.

 

[ballerskrip]

Honestly, you have nobody to blame but yourself. You put it all on a credit card, banking on making it all back by reselling after opening?

Sorry, but that has to be one of the stupider things I have ever heard of.

THank you bud, I appreciate that. Can always count on you for being a huge d-bag. I actually put in on my credit card to earn the cash back. I did have some of the upfront money to pay off my credit card with. Once my sales are done, paying off my credit card won't be a problem. I know multiple large case breakers that put their cases on their credit card so that they aren't fronting all of the money. But I guess you have never heard of that before.

skrip

 

[hofautos]

IMHO, you should be HAPPY if you can get $2800 back?
You shouldn't gamble unless you are willing and ready to lose it all IMHO.

Sorry, but that's my honest opinion, and 50% doesn't sound that bad.
Buy singles instead of wax...that's what I do.

 

[Pine Tar]

Matt sorry to hear this. I thought of investing in case since I could get one for around 600 DLVD but after a few nights to slepp on it I passed. So after seeing what others are going thru I'm glad I'm not taking the dip in that pool.

And how did it go on the hunt for these cases the other day.

 

[maxpower]

Skrip: Sorry to hear about your cases. I'd say the vast, vast, vast majority of us here on the Boards know exactly how you feel. Whether it's $70 or $7000, the Buyer's Remorse after a bad wax break feels like a rock in your stomach.

We all know breaking wax is a fool's proposition. No matter how smart you are about it, you're almost certainly going to lose money. Playing craps is a better bet, odds wise.

And it is silly to expect sympathy when we all know better than to expect an 85% return on wax. Still, if you can't complain about it here amongst your fellow collectors, prospectors, and addicts, then where can you go? Here's wishing a Superfractor will be in your next case...

 

[Mr.Whipple]

Honestly, you have nobody to blame but yourself. You put it all on a credit card, banking on making it all back by reselling after opening?

Sorry, but that has to be one of the stupider things I have ever heard of.

From the kid who had his parents handing out to build his collection. You're just sour because you can't live down one of the best threads in sports card forum history.

Matt, I have taken bigger beatings on wax over the years and wax will make you think about this hobby in a negative manner. The keep thing is li it your wax busting and split between singles and some wax. That 5800, could of scored ya two cases and a few supers of non huge guys in bcdp. Even if you didn't go after a super, you could of picked up a few of your guys cheap and in bulk. Think about it this way You have secret Santa stuff coming. Ripping into those mailers will change things also. It's a bummer and plenty of us know that feeling all to well, your packages will ease the burn of your recent luck. It's the holidays also and plenty of reasons to be happy about that also. Have a feeling before Christmas day, you will rip into a mailer and be very happy with what's in it.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

IMHO, you should be HAPPY if you can get $2800 back?
You shouldn't gamble unless you are willing and ready to lose it all IMHO.

Sorry, but that's my honest opinion, and 50% doesn't sound that bad.
Buy singles instead of wax...that's what I do.

While its definitely tough luck for the seller here, in a way its reassuring to me that the same thing that can happen to a small-time buster can happen to a big-time one; the one spending the most money doesn't always 'win' by getting all the big hits.

 

[ballerskrip]

Honestly, you have nobody to blame but yourself. You put it all on a credit card, banking on making it all back by reselling after opening?

Sorry, but that has to be one of the stupider things I have ever heard of.

From the kid who had his parents handing out to build his collection. You're just sour because you can't live down one of the best threads in sports card forum history.

Matt, I have taken bigger beatings on wax over the years and wax will make you think about this hobby in a negative manner. The keep thing is li it your wax busting and split between singles and some wax. That 5800, could of scored ya two cases and a few supers of non huge guys in bcdp. Even if you didn't go after a super, you could of picked up a few of your guys cheap and in bulk. Think about it this way You have secret Santa stuff coming. Ripping into those mailers will change things also. It's a bummer and plenty of us know that feeling all to well, your packages will ease the burn of your recent luck. It's the holidays also and plenty of reasons to be happy about that also. Have a feeling before Christmas day, you will rip into a mailer and be very happy with what's in it.

Thanks Marro. I appreciate your thoughts and well wishes! I do appreciate it.

skrip

 

[Bob Loblaw]

IMHO, you should be HAPPY if you can get $2800 back?
You shouldn't gamble unless you are willing and ready to lose it all IMHO.

Sorry, but that's my honest opinion, and 50% doesn't sound that bad.
Buy singles instead of wax...that's what I do.

While its definitely tough luck for the seller here, in a way its reassuring to me that the same thing that can happen to a small-time buster can happen to a big-time one; the one spending the most money doesn't always 'win' by getting all the big hits.

 

[ballerskrip]

Skrip: Sorry to hear about your cases. I'd say the vast, vast, vast majority of us here on the Boards know exactly how you feel. Whether it's $70 or $7000, the Buyer's Remorse after a bad wax break feels like a rock in your stomach.

We all know breaking wax is a fool's proposition. No matter how smart you are about it, you're almost certainly going to lose money. Playing craps is a better bet, odds wise.

And it is silly to expect sympathy when we all know better than to expect an 85% return on wax. Still, if you can't complain about it here amongst your fellow collectors, prospectors, and addicts, then where can you go? Here's wishing a Superfractor will be in your next case...[/quote]

EXACTLY....

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

With the salt and ketchup, it looks like the kid's about to eat himself :? :lol:

 

[cgilmo]

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