Penn State sex scandal - Paterno is out

[fengzhang]

Joe Paterno did nothing unlawful. I haven't heard anyone say that he deserves to be indicted or put in jail.

What Joe Paterno did was unethical as the leader of the football program. When one of your highest ranking employees is accused of such a thing, how can you do nothing? The reason he wasn't a participant in additional meetings was because he chose not to get involved. He ignored the situation and blocked it from his mind. He went about his day as if nothing had happened. And that is why he is now jobless. And rightfully so.

not so fast my friend. Paterno still may have some legal issues to deal from both the criminal and civil ends of the stick. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... =hp_t11_a9

some inconsistencies between what McQueary said he told Paterno and what Paterno said he was told.

McQueary is a coward. He should have been fired as well.

And if it comes out that he acted unlawfully, he should be prosecuted as such.

My point is that even if he hadn't done anything that was illegal, it was still justified to fire him.

 

[elmalo]

Good riddance.

 

[RITM]

I just read the report. Unreal. Very graphic but it helps form an opinion on the situation. JoePa did report the conversation with the student. However, he really needed to do more. A lot of people needed to do more. Regardless of the fact that Joe is the face of the program you have to report stuff like that to the police.

 

[nosterbor]

Thanks for the links guys.

After reading through the report (having worked in emergency services for a number of years, I've read reports like this before) I remain of the opinion that Paterno is not as culpable as he is being made out to be. He was not present at any of additional meetings after his initial meeting with the graduate assistant and the jury also did not find him guilty of not following the CPSL. While he may be guilty of a moral or ethical lapse, the information does not support the claims that it was intentional or unlawful and, in my opinion, it certainly doesn't justify the current vociferous response by the public toward him.

I'd also like to mention that by terminating his employment as they have, the PSU council have simply made him a martyr to the students and athletes. Perhaps this was intentional, as a way of saving some part of his legacy, however I feel that it was a clumsy move made by an organization desperately attempting to save face by scapegoating.

Joe Paterno did nothing unlawful. I haven't heard anyone say that he deserves to be indicted or put in jail.

What Joe Paterno did was unethical as the leader of the football program. When one of your highest ranking employees is accused of such a thing, how can you do nothing? The reason he wasn't a participant in additional meetings was because he chose not to get involved. He ignored the situation and blocked it from his mind. He went about his day as if nothing had happened. And that is why he is now jobless. And rightfully so.

BS! He was protecting the Status Quo! He's a dirt bag!

 

[braden]

Couple of things:

1- The title of this thread should really be 'rape scandal'. That's not just semantics. This isn't a sex scandal at all.

2- The Penn State riot could very well be the dumbest protest of all-time. I know it's just stupid kids looking for a good time but cripes, Paterno should be run out of town with pitchforks.

3- I understand that Paterno may have legally done everything necessary but I simply can't comprehend being given a piece of information like that and simply passing it along to a superior and then never once following up. That's pure insanity.

 

[JzWand]

Joe Paterno did nothing unlawful. I haven't heard anyone say that he deserves to be indicted or put in jail.

What Joe Paterno did was unethical as the leader of the football program. When one of your highest ranking employees is accused of such a thing, how can you do nothing? The reason he wasn't a participant in additional meetings was because he chose not to get involved. He ignored the situation and blocked it from his mind. He went about his day as if nothing had happened. And that is why he is now jobless. And rightfully so.

not so fast my friend. Paterno still may have some legal issues to deal from both the criminal and civil ends of the stick. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... =hp_t11_a9

some inconsistencies between what McQueary said he told Paterno and what Paterno said he was told.

McQueary is a coward. He should have been fired as well.

This is exactly my point that people keep overlooking.
People need to read the grad jury report.

Despite Mike M telling Paterno he saw Sandusky having sex with a child, Paterno ONLY reported to Curley and Schultz that Mike M had seen "fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy".

That is exactly what is stated in the grand jury report.


So if we are to believe Mike McQuaery is being truthful, Paterno infact did not relay to Schultz and Curley EXACTLY what was told to him by Mike McQueary!

He gave a dummied down version of events to his superiors.

 

[JzWand]

Apparntly there is more to come:

If what I was told tonight about the details of the new allegation in Sandusky child sex case is true, it will horrify the public.

I can confirm there will soon be new, major allegation involving child sex abuse in Sandusky case. Told tonite it could come before Saturday

http://twitter.com/#!/SPORTSBYBROOKS

Regarding the new allegations, Beaver County Times Reporter Mark Madden is reporting the Federal Government is investigating PSU.
The reason is because of early leads into Sandusky pimping the boys from his charity to rich ********* donors.

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2011/1 ... y-scandal/

 

[KC37]

2- The Penn State riot could very well be the dumbest protest of all-time. I know it's just stupid kids looking for a good time but cripes, Paterno should be run out of town with pitchforks.

What I heard on the radio this morning is that Sandusky's house is within walking distance of the campus. If the students had assembled on HIS lawn and protested, I'd feel a lot better about it. But no...that would require some thought.


If that pimping report is true, then a seemingly bottomed-out situation just took on new levels of evil.

 

[lisu]

Joe Paterno did nothing unlawful. I haven't heard anyone say that he deserves to be indicted or put in jail.

What Joe Paterno did was unethical as the leader of the football program. When one of your highest ranking employees is accused of such a thing, how can you do nothing? The reason he wasn't a participant in additional meetings was because he chose not to get involved. He ignored the situation and blocked it from his mind. He went about his day as if nothing had happened. And that is why he is now jobless. And rightfully so.

not so fast my friend. Paterno still may have some legal issues to deal from both the criminal and civil ends of the stick. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... =hp_t11_a9

some inconsistencies between what McQueary said he told Paterno and what Paterno said he was told.

McQueary is a coward. He should have been fired as well.

This is exactly my point that people keep overlooking.
People need to read the grad jury report.

Despite Mike M telling Paterno he saw Sandusky having sex with a child, Paterno ONLY reported to Curley and Schultz that Mike M had seen "fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy".

That is exactly what is stated in the grand jury report.


So if we are to believe Mike McQuaery is being truthful, Paterno infact did not relay to Schultz and Curley EXACTLY what was told to him by Mike McQueary!

He gave a dummied down version of events to his superiors.

I hate to be technical, but what exactly is sex with a child? If McQuaery was not descriptive enough, then maybe what Paterno got from the conversation was that Sandusky was doing something inappropriate. I don't really care about Paterno, but I'm just trying to see both sides of the story. As we all know, sex is a pretty broad array of actions. What if Paterno's interpretation of what McQuaery told him was what he told his bosses? At the end of the day, McQuaery then reported what he saw to Schultz and Curley, so it doesn't matter what Paterno told them. At the end of the day, McQuaery is the one most responsible in my eyes because he didn't go to the police. Paterno didn't witness it, but he reported it. Paterno should have done more, but I am not blaming him for what happened.

 

[thefatguy]

I hate to be technical, but what exactly is sex with a child?

ANAL RAPE

 

[lisu]

I hate to be technical, but what exactly is sex with a child?

[quote:1dykqcvb]

ANAL RAPE[/quote:1dykqcvb]

And what exactly did McQueary tell Paterno he saw? That's the question and answer that we will never get an answer for. Maybe McQueary wasn't explicit enough, and Paterno didn't understand how serious the allegations were. There are always two sides of the story - and you bet that McQueary is going to cover himself and state that he told Paterno everything, but we weren't there. I'm just pointing out that there are two sides to this story, and McQueary is the one who should have stopped it immediately or gone to the police directly.

 

[KC37]

I hate to be technical, but what exactly is sex with a child?

[quote:2lpyd8dw]

ANAL RAPE

And what exactly did McQueary tell Paterno he saw? That's the question and answer that we will never get an answer for. Maybe McQueary wasn't explicit enough, and Paterno didn't understand how serious the allegations were. There are always two sides of the story - and you bet that McQueary is going to cover himself and state that he told Paterno everything, but we weren't there. I'm just pointing out that there are two sides to this story, and McQueary is the one who should have stopped it immediately or gone to the police directly.[/quote:2lpyd8dw]

While I absolutely agree that McQueary should be fired himself, and should have gone to the police (and really, should have intervened physically when he saw it) - the grand jury finds his account credible, and he said it pretty clearly.
From a legal standpoint, that's good enough for me - Paterno was downplaying it for a friend, colleague, and the university's reputation.

And he needs to answer for it.

 

[thefatguy]

I hate to be technical, but what exactly is sex with a child?

[quote:2dt2zew4]

ANAL RAPE

And what exactly did McQueary tell Paterno he saw? That's the question and answer that we will never get an answer for. Maybe McQueary wasn't explicit enough, and Paterno didn't understand how serious the allegations were. There are always two sides of the story - and you bet that McQueary is going to cover himself and state that he told Paterno everything, but we weren't there. I'm just pointing out that there are two sides to this story, and McQueary is the one who should have stopped it immediately or gone to the police directly.

While I absolutely agree that McQueary should be fired himself, and should have gone to the police (and really, should have intervened physically when he saw it) - the grand jury finds his account credible, and he said it pretty clearly.
From a legal standpoint, that's good enough for me - Paterno was downplaying it for a friend, colleague, and the university's reputation.

And he needs to answer for it.[/quote:2dt2zew4]



The following was taken directly from the grand jury report, and if you haven't read it, it's graphic in nature:

"As the graduate assistant entered the locker room doors, he was surprised to find the lights and showers on. He then heard rhythmic, slapping sounds. He believed the sounds to be those of sexual activity. As the graduate assistant put the sneakers in his locker, he looked into the shower. He saw a naked boy, Victim 2, whose age he estimated to be ten years old, with his hands up against the wall, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant was shocked but noticed that both Victim 2 and Sandusky saw him. The graduate assistant left immediately, distraught."

The next day, he reported the incident to Paterno. On Sunday, Paterno told Penn State athletic director Tim Curley that McQueary had seen Sandusky "fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy." Curley and Gary Schultz, Penn State's senior vice president of finance and business, talked to McQueary about 10 days later. About two weeks later, Curley told McQueary that Sandusky's keys to the locker room had been taken away. The grand jury said police and child welfare agencies were never notified, and the officials made no attempt to identify the boy.


We don't know what he told Paterno, but intercourse is intercourse, not fondling.

 

[lisu]

I hate to be technical, but what exactly is sex with a child?

[quotedf1dkz1]

ANAL RAPE

And what exactly did McQueary tell Paterno he saw? That's the question and answer that we will never get an answer for. Maybe McQueary wasn't explicit enough, and Paterno didn't understand how serious the allegations were. There are always two sides of the story - and you bet that McQueary is going to cover himself and state that he told Paterno everything, but we weren't there. I'm just pointing out that there are two sides to this story, and McQueary is the one who should have stopped it immediately or gone to the police directly.

While I absolutely agree that McQueary should be fired himself, and should have gone to the police (and really, should have intervened physically when he saw it) - the grand jury finds his account credible, and he said it pretty clearly.
From a legal standpoint, that's good enough for me - Paterno was downplaying it for a friend, colleague, and the university's reputation.

And he needs to answer for it.[/quotedf1dkz1]

And people don't lie to grand juries? That happens all the time. If Paterno downplayed it, it wouldn't matter because McQueary then met alone with the AD and the other senior person. If Paterno had downplayed it initially, McQueary still had an opportunity to tell them what he saw clearly and succinctly. How do they come out of that meeting thinking that Sandusky was wrestling naked with a young boy in the showers is beyond me. At that point, McQueary should have contacted the police. This whole thing reeks of abuse of power, and it's beyond me how Sandusky was even allowed near young boys after his 1998 incident.

At this point - this is where it doesn't matter what Paterno told Curley and Schultz -

Curley and Gary Schultz, Penn State's senior vice president of finance and business, talked to McQueary about 10 days later. About two weeks later, Curley told McQueary that Sandusky's keys to the locker room had been taken away.

 

[lisu]

This is terrible.

http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandu ... adden.html

 

[mstng99tim]

Couple of things:

1- The title of this thread should really be 'rape scandal'. That's not just semantics. This isn't a sex scandal at all.

It wasn't just rape, there were other sex acts involved.

 

[lisu]

Couple of things:

1- The title of this thread should really be 'rape scandal'. That's not just semantics. This isn't a sex scandal at all.

It wasn't just rape, there were other sex acts involved.

Change it to children molestation.

 

[JzWand]

This is terrible.

http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sandu ... adden.html

I posted this same info earlier this morning and no one commented on it.
4 days into this scandal, PSU has cleaned house and I think we are just seeing the tip of the iceberg.

 

[thefatguy]

Sandusky was on campus in the weight room as late as last week, and was still working with children this year.

 

[lisu]

Sandusky was on campus in the weight room as late as last week, and was still working with children this year.

I read somewhere that he has 6 adopted kids. Someone get them out of that house ASAP.