Penn State

[phillyfan0417]

I think it has to be something pretty awful for the NCAA to punish a school like this in the future.


All I can say is good.


I was going to post yesterday, I wonder what "405" minus wins from 98-2011 would be. I'm glad they actually did it


Now take him out of the CFB HOF.
Forever

Why does it have to be awful?

Isnt their premise here "lack of institutional control?"

I think the NCAA is about to get into the punishment of criminal behavior business or this will come off as an example of grandstanding...

 

[thefatguy]

Why does it have to be awful?

Isnt their premise here "lack of institutional control?"

I think the NCAA is about to get into the punishment of criminal behavior business or this will come off as an example of grandstanding...

Maybe if its perceived that the institution did not do enough in either preventing the crime, or punishing the perpetrators after.

Think Tressel and Pryor and all that tattoo stuff.

The institutions must be responsible to someone, and a school with a high profile athletic dept that competes in NCAA play should be able to be smacked by said organization. Same as the Big Ten.

 

[Mighty Bombjack]

A couple of those penalites were to absolve the NCAA of having to deal with the Paterno name and thats probably best. Wondering now that the NCAA is in this business, what will happen in the future when criminal behavior is discovered in schools.

Well, not all criminal behavior is equal. Also, the NCAA is treating this as a recruiting advantage, because if the information had come out when the institution had it, it certainly would have hurt the school's image and their recruiting. All future cases should consider the same question, but this case is surely (hopefully?) extraordinary and unique.

 

[RL24]

Now take him out of the CFB HOF.
Forever

Nice! How are "we" going to get this accomplished? Should "we" hire a plane and threaten to go to the HOF and physically remove the stuff? "We" did such a bang up job of getting the statue removed, I really think "we" should get this done.


I really like it last time "we" hired the plane, because I didn't have to pay a cent and nobody consulted me. I figure I would have gotten a call if "we" needed to go down there an take the statue down, so I'm grateful that Penn State did it for me.

 

[hive17]

Greeny made a good point on Mike and Mike this morning: these sanctions shouldn't (and appear not to have) concern Jerry Sandusky's crimes. These sanctions were about the cover-up ONLY. It's an important distinction to make so the NCAA doesn't come off as putting child abuse in the same ballpark as recruiting violations. It also allows them to not have to punish a program in the future if, say, a coach murders someone or someone on a football staff commits some other henious act.

I think the NCAA did the right thing today. I don't want to say "perfect", but it was definately enough.

The ironic part about the vacated wins is that the NCAA has now restored one of the least ethical coaches ever to the top of the wins leaderboard. I know there were reports that the NCAA was pleased when Joe Paterno passed Bobby Bowden as the all-times win leader, since it's generally known that Bowden put football before anything else and was nearly criminal in his acedemic requirements (he tolorated some of the lowest athlete graduation rates in his tenure).

 

[Card Magnet]

My favorite tidbits from the locals on facebook, most of whom are in the 18-30 year age range (back and forth conversations grouped together).

The Victims love PSU! The NCAA just made them wish that they never came forward. NCAA took the wins of PSU that took place after that Monster Retires?!

"Maybe they should demolish the Paterno Library at Penn State, too. Please, just stick it to the students some more."

"Is this real life? This is ridiculous. Seriously. Sandusky didn't win those games, the TEAM did. Those INNOCENT PLAYERS did. Jeesh. And no post season?! Wtf is that, these players didn't do a damn thing and weren't even at Penn State at the time. Anyway, WE ARE [STILL] PENN STATE. Don't ever forget that."

"I can't support a school who can just throw away its past like it means nothing I also think sue paterno is due a check for millions of dollars cause if they are not good enough for his statue then they dont need his money give it the hell back u bunch of hypocritical ass clowns."

"Yeah, isn't it funny how they conveniently decided to keep his name on the library and the millions that he donated to it and various other things, then throw him to the wolves and remove his statue and such. Redic."

"yep I will be cheering for another shool this fall I know that much."

"this XXXX is going too damn far. first they take the statute down now they are taken away the wins, those guys worked hard for those wins and you can just take it like that!? wtf their pretty much destroying football at psu!"

The NCAA has FINALLY gotten the chance to bring PS down and they're taking FULL advantage!

 

[thefatguy]

Wow
Sad



2 words:
Rape Victims


Innocent children Paterno and top officials could have saved from a life of horror.

Cover up, yes. But how many more victims did Sandusky create from 98-11? On campus. While those 4 were aware of what was happening.
JoePa may have well as just held the kids down himself.


Are those wins really taken away from the ex players?
They know who won those games. This is to take away from the school and Paterno.

Still waiting for the Big10 announcement.

 

[Mighty Bombjack]

Greeny made a good point on Mike and Mike this morning: these sanctions shouldn't (and appear not to have) concern Jerry Sandusky's crimes. These sanctions were about the cover-up ONLY. It's an important distinction to make so the NCAA doesn't come off as putting child abuse in the same ballpark as recruiting violations. It also allows them to not have to punish a program in the future if, say, a coach murders someone or someone on a football staff commits some other henious act.

This is the point that has been largely missing in this thread all along. It is not about Sandusky and the victims anymore, the criminal trial was for them. This is about knocking football down from its lofty perch at PSU, and sending the message that institutional cover-ups will not be viewed lightly in the future. Future criminal activity can be dealt with by any individual school if done swiftly and transparently.

 

[RL24]

2 words:
Rape Victims


Innocent children Paterno and top officials could have saved from a life of horror.

Cover up, yes. But how many more victims did Sandusky create from 98-11? On campus. While those 4 were aware of what was happening.
JoePa may have well as just held the kids down himself.

I do understand you and everything, but I also think that people are blowing what happened way out of proportion and placing blame on the wrong people.

June 1, 1998: State Department of Public Welfare investigator and the university police detective interview Mr. Sandusky. He said he would not shower with children again.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories...events-in-sandusky-case-322753/#ixzz21StWXmN0

1998 – Victim 6 is taken into the locker rooms and showers when he is 11 years old. When Victim 6 is dropped off at home, his hair is wet from showering with Sandusky. His mother reports the incident to the university police, who investigate.
Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky. Sandusky says he has showered with other boys and Victim 6's mother tries to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again but he will not. At the end of the second conversation, after Sandusky is told he cannot see Victim 6 anymore, Schreffler testifies Sandusky says, "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead."
Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.
The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/09/penn-state-scandal-timeline-jerry-sandusky_n_1084204.html

These are the important things that I feel have been lost in the story. Why didn't they report it to the police? THEY DID! What else were they supposed to do? You should all try it out, call the cops and report your neighbor for something that isn't illegal. When they tell you they aren't going to do anything about it, call them every day and report it. The cops are busy. If you think that showering with boys is wrong, and you report it, and the cops decide it isn't wrong, what are you supposed to do? Report it over and over and over?

I agree 100% that Sandusky should have been stopped long ago, and all those innocent kids that came later should have been protected. I just think that the people who should have protected the kids were the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare and the Centre County District Attorney, and not some football coach who heard a rumor. Held the kids down? That is so far over the top that it's not even worth addressing. I know that raping children is really bad, but peope should be able to retain rational thought even in the face of such atrociousities.

 

[P_Manning 18]

Something I just thought about. With all the conferences attempting to make super conferences by adding schools from other conferences.... will The Big 10 look to replace Penn State? Force them back to an independent school.

 

[schillingfan]

My favorite tidbits from the locals on facebook, most of whom are in the 18-30 year age range (back and forth conversations grouped together).

Just painful to read. I've seen a lot of the same on my feed today as I have tons of friends who went to or are fans of PSU. It just kills me that they want to turn a blind eye to innocent children being ***** in favor of football. Truly disgusting.

 

[All In Cards]

why punish the players who had nothing to do with it. I do understand the University should be punished but I dont understand taking away wins from those players.

 

[mstng99tim]

Who the fukc cares about wins in all of this? KIDS WERE *****!!!!!!! Wins don't mean ******* in the grand scheme of things!!!

I'm so sick and tired of people whining and complaining about the current players being victims by the sanctions handed out today. They have a CHOICE to stay or go....those kids didn't have a choice when they were getting *****.

 

[All In Cards]

no whinning at all, just dont understand the reasoning behind somethings.

All those involved in hiding/not reporting/etc should be charged. The 100s of players that have nothing to do with the matter should not be punished because of some sick bastards. Why should they take the fall for the very wrong doings of these individuals?

 

[Mighty Bombjack]

no whinning at all, just dont understand the reasoning behind somethings.

All those involved in hiding/not reporting/etc should be charged. The 100s of players that have nothing to do with the matter should not be punished because of some sick bastards. Why should they take the fall for the very wrong doings of these individuals?

Again, this has nothing to do with any individuals, but with a corrupted system. Unfortunately for many, many people, they linked themselves with it. That system has to pay, and those individuals now have to decide whether to disassociate with that system or not, and I think the NCAA has been very fair in giving players options.

 

[RITM]

Let's stop calling former/current students and athletes victims. The only victims in this scandal are the young people who had adults fail in their responsibility to protect them. Their lives will never be the same regardless of the amount of counseling, therapy, or time allowed. Attempting to elevate the plight of a former/current student or athlete only attempts to minimize the suffering of the true victims. Are we as a society really going to compare a former student/athlete who now has a loss where a win once stood with someone sexually assaulted?

Let this be a reminder that the time necessary to build a reputation is much longer than the time necessary to destroy one.

 

[phillyfan0417]

Who the fukc cares about wins in all of this? KIDS WERE *****!!!!!!! Wins don't mean ******* in the grand scheme of things!!!

I'm so sick and tired of people whining and complaining about the current players being victims by the sanctions handed out today. They have a CHOICE to stay or go....those kids didn't have a choice when they were getting *****.

Taking away the wins, cutting scholarships even to zero, hell blowing up the entire campus/stadium doesnt mean Crap.

The fact that you would even equate this as justice, makes you as annoying as the people saying the players are victims.

If you feel that sanctions on stupid football program has done anything to help the plight of this children makes you just come off as an emotional tunnel visioned dude with a pitchfork.

 

[mstng99tim]

Taking away the wins, cutting scholarships even to zero, hell blowing up the entire campus/stadium doesnt mean Crap.

The fact that you would even equate this as justice, makes you as annoying as the people saying the players are victims.

If you feel that sanctions on stupid football program has done anything to help the plight of this children makes you just come off as an emotional tunnel visioned dude with a pitchfork.

Where in my comments did I ever equate the sanctions to justice being served? Again, where in my comments does it remotely imply that the sanctions has done anything to help the plight of the children?

If you think that's what I meant, then I can't help you, you are just a retarded dumdass.

 

[phillyfan0417]

Where in my comments did I ever equate the sanctions to justice being served? Again, where in my comments does it remotely imply that the sanctions has done anything to help the plight of the children?

If you think that's what I meant, then I can't help you, you are just a retarded dumdass.

When all else fails, lets turn a debate into insults.

 

[mstng99tim]

When all else fails, lets turn a debate into insults.

It's not really a debate when you aren't grasping my point and assume I'm saying something that I'm not.

If you can't grasp that I'm sorry.

But hey, at least this has the football board getting some posts compared to the ghost town that it has been for the past several months!!!!!!!!!!