QUEENCITY-SPORTSCARDS & other forgers/alterers ~UPDATE~

[sportscardtheory]

Re: The SHOELESS-JOEJACKSON (eBay seller) thread

FYI, eBay won't do anything about fakes.

http://www.businessweek.com/the_thr...07/ebay_claims_vic.html?campaign_id=rss_daily

I believe Topps would be able to do something though. You can't just break the law and guise it under "well, eBay allows it". Can't someone with a Topps connection bring it up to them??? Gilmore?

If Tiffany can't how would Topps?

If Topps kept an eye on things and reported to eBay when there is a fake, I'm quite sure they would remove the item. That article clearly states that fakes spotted and reported by Tiffany could still be removed by eBay. They can not LEGALLY allow copyright infringement, no matter what any court decision does. You can't can't have a court decide you can break the law...

The only difference is for Tiffany's, these items were counterfeit (not produced by Tiffany). The card in question was produced by Topps. It's like car tinting. It's illegal to have your windows tinted to a certain percentage in some states, but tinters are still allowed to tint to any percent. The police can't prosecute the tinters because some of these car are show models, etc. It's the buyer's responsibility to know what is legal/illegal, just like it's the buyer's responsibility to research the card in question to determine if it was in the set or not.

It's illegal to sell fake autographs and to sell altered copyrighted material as original...

 

[Codasco07]

Re: The SHOELESS-JOEJACKSON (eBay seller) thread

It's illegal to sell fake autographs and to sell altered copyrighted material as original...

I'm not a lawyer, so I'll take your word for that. The bottom line is eBay can't remove it without Topps specifically asking them. In the end, what is the incentive for Topps to do so? If these guys make awesome fake patches some people are going to believe they were pulled from products and some will then think that Topps makes some awesome patches. The worst that can happen is someone buys a card, is told it's fake and complains to Topps. What's Topps going to say? The actions of these sellers doesn't damage their reputation in any way.

 

[jcmint]

Re: The SHOELESS-JOEJACKSON (eBay seller) thread

anyone remember Wiwag when it was a game, the Fbi busted their fraud ring. Why not this bum.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Re: The SHOELESS-JOEJACKSON (eBay seller) thread

It's illegal to sell fake autographs and to sell altered copyrighted material as original...

I'm not a lawyer, so I'll take your word for that. The bottom line is eBay can't remove it without Topps specifically asking them. In the end, what is the incentive for Topps to do so? If these guys make awesome fake patches some people are going to believe they were pulled from products and some will then think that Topps makes some awesome patches. The worst that can happen is someone buys a card, is told it's fake and complains to Topps. What's Topps going to say? The actions of these sellers doesn't damage their reputation in any way.

Say someone buys one of these altered patch cards or fake autographs and can prove that it was never worn by the player or is not an authentic autograph... I'm guessing Topps could possibly have a lawsuit on their hands, seeing that their name is on the product. I don't think they would want that.

 

[onehrk]

Re: The SHOELESS-JOEJACKSON (eBay seller) thread

It's illegal to sell fake autographs and to sell altered copyrighted material as original...

I'm not a lawyer, so I'll take your word for that. The bottom line is eBay can't remove it without Topps specifically asking them. In the end, what is the incentive for Topps to do so? If these guys make awesome fake patches some people are going to believe they were pulled from products and some will then think that Topps makes some awesome patches. The worst that can happen is someone buys a card, is told it's fake and complains to Topps. What's Topps going to say? The actions of these sellers doesn't damage their reputation in any way.

You don't need to be a lawyer to know that's illegal. Hopefully the difference between what Tiffany did and what Topps could potentially do is that Topps would go after Burge and not eBay.

 

[Crash Davis]

Re: The SHOELESS-JOEJACKSON (eBay seller) thread

My feeling has been that all of the recently sold "01/01" 2004 Topps Original "autographs" are forgeries.

I know that these are listed in Beckett as being actual one-of-ones; however, I am almost positive that these are illegitimate. I wish that someone with the pack-pulled card can post it for sale at the same time that this joker puts up his alleged forgery. Even if that person put the real deal up at a BIN of $10,000.00, I would chip in on the listing fees just to prove my theory.

 

[HYPE]

Re: The SHOELESS-JOEJACKSON (eBay seller) thread

DUDE. AL THIS STUFF IS OLD NEWS. UPPER DECK USE TOCARE ABOUT FAKE PATCHES. THEY USE TO PULL THEM ALL DAY FROM 2003-2005. now they dont care because they took a hit on there sales. people stoped cracking it because upper deck was onto the whole patch thing. especially with 2005 exquisite football.

Now if you call upper deck they say well there is nothing we can do about it, because they dont care.

you guys act like this seller is the only person in the world who has listed a fake patch. just type in logto patch on ebay. why dont you start a thread for all those sellers to..


as far as trimmimg? even if he does, beckett and psa have a certian size requirement that they go buy, and if a card is big like (every sinlge upper deck card) and someone cuts it. so be it. this is nothing new, it has been going on since bgs and psa started the whole gradeing system

i feel like its 1998 again and people just found out that 1998 bowman chrome cards are easy to psa 10. hmm. wonder why?

and no. not everything this guy sells is trimmed. he subbmittied a ton of cards last white plains show. and nothing got kicked. so he is good at what he does or "bgs can careless and just want to get paid"

i had a jeter last weekend that looked super small. got it in the room. and what do ya know. bgs 9.5. now if i would have submitted that one card. they probably would have kicked it. but i did like 100 cards. and kicked nothing. and they bgs 10'd a ton of stuff. they do not care. neither does psa.

nothing will ever be able to be done about this stuff. trimming, patches, ect... so it basically comes to the point where u have to stop caring.

the fake patches have been going on ever since the first game used cards. thats like 13 years. and its still being done, so im assuming its not going to be stopped. the companys thrive on it. and people are stupid, beckett did an artical about a fake patch in a hedeki card. it was a 2 color super patch auto /5. then it was the whole yankee card and did over 2 k.

now that exact card was in beckett as a fake. but still sold on ebay, and no one cared.


nobody confronts him. nobody says anything to him. and EVERYONE at shows still sells to him.

i sell to him. who cares? he spends money. what he does to a card he does to a card. and the pujols card he didnt do. that card was on ebay like 15 times. cali, texas, new york, florida. everywhere. then it was in a huge rc lot. but its funny how it is only listed as a fake once he puts it up.

this stuff is pointless to even talk about. its going to happen no matter what anyone does about it. its been going on forever, so if they were going to put a stop to it, it would have been done a while ago,

now i could understand if you bought a card that was raw, and submitted it and bgs said no, but if its graded.. who cares? not only that, but bgs grades fake patches all the time. so again. who cares? its going to happen no matter how u look at it.

10 years ago i felt the same way everyone else did. but honestly, ive come to the point where its just a wash. its fake or real, trimmed or not.

 

[jcmint]

Re: The SHOELESS-JOEJACKSON (eBay seller) thread

DUDE. AL THIS STUFF IS OLD NEWS. UPPER DECK USE TOCARE ABOUT FAKE PATCHES. THEY USE TO PULL THEM ALL DAY FROM 2003-2005. now they dont care because they took a hit on there sales. people stoped cracking it because upper deck was onto the whole patch thing. especially with 2005 exquisite football.

Now if you call upper deck they say well there is nothing we can do about it, because they dont care.

you guys act like this seller is the only person in the world who has listed a fake patch. just type in logto patch on ebay. why dont you start a thread for all those sellers to..


as far as trimmimg? even if he does, beckett and psa have a certian size requirement that they go buy, and if a card is big like (every sinlge upper deck card) and someone cuts it. so be it. this is nothing new, it has been going on since bgs and psa started the whole gradeing system

i feel like its 1998 again and people just found out that 1998 bowman chrome cards are easy to psa 10. hmm. wonder why?

and no. not everything this guy sells is trimmed. he subbmittied a ton of cards last white plains show. and nothing got kicked. so he is good at what he does or "bgs can careless and just want to get paid" I have personally seen whole boxes kicked back several times. A Bgs rep would agree with me too. You are correct to a point not everything he subs is trimmed but many many are. Once the card is trimmed it is a sub game. Try PSA then try SGC then try BGS and then rinse and repeat several times

i had a jeter last weekend that looked super small. got it in the room. and what do ya know. bgs 9.5. now if i would have submitted that one card. they probably would have kicked it. but i did like 100 cards. and kicked nothing. and they bgs 10'd a ton of stuff. they do not care. neither does psa.

nothing will ever be able to be done about this stuff. trimming, patches, ect... so it basically comes to the point where u have to stop caring.

the fake patches have been going on ever since the first game used cards. thats like 13 years. and its still being done, so im assuming its not going to be stopped. the companys thrive on it. and people are stupid, beckett did an artical about a fake patch in a hedeki card. it was a 2 color super patch auto /5. then it was the whole yankee card and did over 2 k.

now that exact card was in beckett as a fake. but still sold on ebay, and no one cared.


nobody confronts him. nobody says anything to him. and EVERYONE at shows still sells to him. Not everybody and I have had a few conversations with him and said what I needed to say.

i sell to him. who cares? he spends money. what he does to a card he does to a card. and the pujols card he didnt do. that card was on ebay like 15 times. cali, texas, new york, florida. everywhere. then it was in a huge rc lot. but its funny how it is only listed as a fake once he puts it up.

this stuff is pointless to even talk about. its going to happen no matter what anyone does about it. its been going on forever, so if they were going to put a stop to it, it would have been done a while ago,

now i could understand if you bought a card that was raw, and submitted it and bgs said no, but if its graded.. who cares? not only that, but bgs grades fake patches all the time. so again. who cares? its going to happen no matter how u look at it.

10 years ago i felt the same way everyone else did. but honestly, ive come to the point where its just a wash. its fake or real, trimmed or not.

 

[HYPE]

Re: The SHOELESS-JOEJACKSON (eBay seller) thread

i here ya. i just think its kinda pointless to have a 5 page thread about this ya know. i mean. if he does trim, its not like he started it, and if he does do patches. i know he wasnt the first one to ever do that as well ya know?

people do what they do, being in this business, if every seller and buyer really new what went on behind closed doors, then not one person would ever buy a card again, its the most crazy crooked business there is. there is more kurrupt stuff that goes on in this business then people who stand on a street all day and sell drugs.

its going to happen weather he gets thrown off ebay or not. thats why i said i gave up on this stuff years ago. he puts food on the table. pays peoples bills. if he wants to make snow flakes out of cards, so be it. i know if i could trim a card and get 9.5's all day, then i would to. as would most people.

people say this and that about a ton of sellers. but if they had the chance to get that type of money, they would to.

and going back to the pujols thing, he didnt do that card. if the peopleschoice is even him, cuz i have heard maurice jones's name many times, never linked to burge, but even if it is him. he didnt do that card

it was on ebay a zillion times

 

[Uofo2212]

Re: The SHOELESS-JOEJACKSON (eBay seller) thread

Hype, that is the exact reason even buying slabs these days can be tricky. All the grading companies grade fakes and pass fakes. Grading is way too subjective to some punk kid that sits in a cube and grades all day. If he had a bad lunch or is in a brawl with their girl then you card submissions can and will suffer. If you get bad grades then resubmit over and over until you get the garde you want. There is no way that people that submit a lot don't get preferential treatment.

 

[HYPE]

Re: The SHOELESS-JOEJACKSON (eBay seller) thread

i just think its kinda retarted to go after one guy for something that no one has proof of. not only that. but there are thousands of sellers on ebay with 100's of fake patch cards up

THOUSANDS!!!!

 

[Adamsince1981]

Re: The SHOELESS-JOEJACKSON (eBay seller) thread

I don't get going after 1 guy that PSA gladly accepts as a customer...

I've bought from him and resold all but 1 card (for a profit)...so I guess I've sold trimmed cards before. Come after me too! BTW, they were all slabbed.

 

[CAROLINA BOSOX]

Re: The SHOELESS-JOEJACKSON (eBay seller) thread

So........if I found a way to rob little old ladies of their social security checks and get away with it , some of you would want to do it too? Because I could make money at other peoples' expense everyone else should just say "oh well".

I'm sorry but I don't see the logic in this. I find it sad that people have come to expect dishonesty in this hobby and look at like nobodys doing anything so it must be ok. I guess I still have some morals and dont see this as the right attitude to have. Again, sorry if I've given this more attention than it deserves.

 

[HYPE]

Re: The SHOELESS-JOEJACKSON (eBay seller) thread

i understand where your coming from dude. i do. but all i can say, is its going to happen no matter what. even if he is trimming. he isnt doing anything wrong really. he is taking his item. making it nicer, and slabbing it. its not like he is selling cards that are to short as raw cards and ripping people off. if bgs and psa are slabbin the cards, then thats where the hobby stands.

 

[Adamsince1981]

Re: The SHOELESS-JOEJACKSON (eBay seller) thread

So........if I found a way to rob little old ladies of their social security checks and get away with it , some of you would want to do it too? Because I could make money at other peoples' expense everyone else should just say "oh well".

I'm sorry but I don't see the logic in this. I find it sad that people have come to expect dishonesty in this hobby and look at like nobodys doing anything so it must be ok. I guess I still have some morals and dont see this as the right attitude to have. Again, sorry if I've given this more attention than it deserves.

Devote more of your attention to the companies that accept shoeless joe's business.

 

[CAROLINA BOSOX]

Re: The SHOELESS-JOEJACKSON (eBay seller) thread

I was mostly referring to the "originals" that are being sold that were never made by Topps. The trimming the patch faking may not be able to be proven fake all the time, but selling cards that someone from Topps can look at and say "nope not ours" then I don't understand why that can't be stopped.

 

[HYPE]

Re: The SHOELESS-JOEJACKSON (eBay seller) thread

i didnt see the originals. but other then that. i know he picks up $50,000 deals. all the time. so they could be in it. what cards where they

 

[swaydaa]

Re: The SHOELESS-JOEJACKSON (eBay seller) thread

I WAS JUST INFORMED OF THIS WEBSITE. WHO IS THE GENIUS THAT SAID I WAS SHOELESS-JOEJACKSON??? I CAN ASSURE YOU THIS IS NOT TRUE. YOU SHOULD NOT BE SO QUICK TO PASS JUDGEMENT BEFORE YOU SLANDER SOMEONE'S NAME

 

[CAROLINA BOSOX]

Re: The SHOELESS-JOEJACKSON (eBay seller) thread

i didnt see the originals. but other then that. i know he picks up $50,000 deals. all the time. so they could be in it. what cards where they

Check out the Ryne Sandberg auto Bowman original. The auto looks way off to me. I brought this up in another thread and was told these were easy to fake. Thats why I cant help but wonder why Topps cant look at these and verify them.

 

[HYPE]

Re: The SHOELESS-JOEJACKSON (eBay seller) thread

oh. never new that. i was never a fan of those card so i never paid attention. i was just more focused on the fact that. if shoeless joe was a scam, and really did do all these things. then he would have been thrown off long ago. i mean. they guy spends, ive seen it, ive also sold him many deals. and ive seen him buy a ton of patches in person as is, and from me, and they all go up the same way he buys them, i for one am not a fan of the patch thing, so i would have called him out on in asap! lol