Rangers get rights to Darvish

[hail2thevictors]

Comments like this are ridiculous and borderline racist. Not only does it make you look foolish for having a lack of historical knowledge, as there have been plenty of successful players from Asia, it also spits in the face of the scouting community.

any body remember chan ho park??????

I guess we can see a younger version of Irabu.

I am sure they will sign Yu and it'll be the Daiske scenario all over again

Those comments are borderline racist? Really?

Those statements have nothing to do with race. Is it borderline racist when a toolsy African American outfielder gets taken in the draft (Reggie Golden as an example), and people compare him to previously failed or under-performing African American toolsy outfielders? The answer IMO is no. I'm all for calling people out who make racist remarks-because they should be called out-but your post is as wrong as what you are accusing these people of doing.

 

[AMAZIN HOF COLLECTOR]

I wonder if any team over there wants a player from my Mets......

We could sell a few for $40-$50 million a pop and maybe we would have enough money to put a team together! ::facepalm::

 

[Lancemountain]

Wheres that mallcop kid that was walking all over this site saying his close personal friend gave him very inside info that the jays won the bidding?

 

[morgoth]

Wheres that mallcop kid that was walking all over this site saying his close personal friend gave him very inside info that the jays won the bidding?

Someone also owes an apology to Buster Olney

 

[markakis8]

Comments like this are ridiculous and borderline racist. Not only does it make you look foolish for having a lack of historical knowledge, as there have been plenty of successful players from Asia, it also spits in the face of the scouting community.

any body remember chan ho park??????

He obviously fears about spending over $100 million on a pitcher, when the Rangers haven't fared well with bringing in pitchers with big contracts. The Chan Ho Park contract was a disaster for the Rangers.

I guess we can see a younger version of Irabu.

I am sure they will sign Yu and it'll be the Daiske scenario all over again

These are ignorant statements, sure, but not racist. It has nothing to do with the race of the player, Wes. It has everything to do with the situation - which is how much the Red Sox/Rangers paid just to negotiate with Dice-K/Darvish. It's no different than me saying (if the Orioles were to sign Prince Fielder) "I am sure they will sign Prince and it'll be the Albert Belle scenario all over again" An ignorant comment, but not racist.

Racist....really? There is nothing racist about anything anyone said above. I've added how I interpreted what they said below each quote...

Racist is such a touchy word, we all shouldn't use it to label actions or statements so easily.

 

[NECpilgrims8]

I think we all need to watch more Blazing Saddles.

Enjoy Life. Laugh at our differences. Respect all.

 

[markakis8]

I think we all need to watch more Blazing Saddles.

Enjoy Life. Laugh at our differences. Respect all.

Excuse me while I whip this out...

 

[aarne13]

An apology to Olney? For what? For guessing right? Unless there was a leak at the commissioners office every rumor out there had no facts just pure opinion. The Jays and the Rangers were the "favorites" to land Darvish. So i guess he had a 50/50 chance of being right. No one knew who was bidding what amount. The Jays haven't released what their bid was. Not sure how close they were to the Rangers. His source must have been from the Rangers and they must have already known they were the winners.

 

[nosterbor]

I think we all need to watch more Blazing Saddles.

Enjoy Life. Laugh at our differences. Respect all.

Excuse me while I whip this out...

HEP ME HEP ME
Somebody help that poor man!

 

[nosterbor]

Signing Fielder would have been a better deal. 50 Mil+ just to have the Rights?

What a waste of payroll.
I can count on ONE finger how many Japanese players have turned out to be worth the signing.

 

[WaxPax]

Wouldn't you think the President of the Rangers knows a thing or two about pitching and recognizing pitching talent. Don't you think Ryan see's something in Darvish, otherwise he wouldn't advise them in making such a huge commitment....

 

[Wes]

Comments like this are ridiculous and borderline racist. Not only does it make you look foolish for having a lack of historical knowledge, as there have been plenty of successful players from Asia, it also spits in the face of the scouting community.

any body remember chan ho park??????

I guess we can see a younger version of Irabu.

I am sure they will sign Yu and it'll be the Daiske scenario all over again

People questioning whether this was a good idea or if he will fail are not racist or stupid, they have merit, fact and logic behind them.

In scouting they lump high school and college players together due to the similar competition they face and how that affects the ability to predict them to the ML level, well Darvish plays in a league that has had recent pitchers struggle to have lengthy and productive careers at the ML level. It would be logical for someone to make the argument that there is a risk and history of players in this league not being able to perform at their contract amount.

Also scouting does not take into account a players ability to handle new parks, time away from home and language barriers. I think those are also part of the risk one must factor in.

People in Texas should have some degree of skepticism on this signing as it does have risk, but so do all signings be it minor league or drafting. The thing that makes this one much more risky is obviously the 100+ million dollars tied up in this player.

Skepticism is one thing, but comparisons to failed Asian players simply because they too were Asian is racist. I didn't see you or anybody else saying that the CJ Wilson signing was a mistake because he, like Barry Zito, was a white, left handed pitcher who pitched in the AL West - in fact that comparison is even more apt given their similarities ON THE FIELD, which are greater than the similarities of Matsuzaka, Irabu or Park and Darvish.

Comments like this are ridiculous and borderline racist. Not only does it make you look foolish for having a lack of historical knowledge, as there have been plenty of successful players from Asia, it also spits in the face of the scouting community.

any body remember chan ho park??????

I guess we can see a younger version of Irabu.

I am sure they will sign Yu and it'll be the Daiske scenario all over again

Those comments are borderline racist? Really?

Those statements have nothing to do with race. Is it borderline racist when a toolsy African American outfielder gets taken in the draft (Reggie Golden as an example), and people compare him to previously failed or under-performing African American toolsy outfielders? The answer IMO is no. I'm all for calling people out who make racist remarks-because they should be called out-but your post is as wrong as what you are accusing these people of doing.

Yes, yes it is. When I evaluate players, I do so on their performance and skills, race is not a factor.

Comments like this are ridiculous and borderline racist. Not only does it make you look foolish for having a lack of historical knowledge, as there have been plenty of successful players from Asia, it also spits in the face of the scouting community.

any body remember chan ho park??????

He obviously fears about spending over $100 million on a pitcher, when the Rangers haven't fared well with bringing in pitchers with big contracts. The Chan Ho Park contract was a disaster for the Rangers.

I guess we can see a younger version of Irabu.

I am sure they will sign Yu and it'll be the Daiske scenario all over again

These are ignorant statements, sure, but not racist. It has nothing to do with the race of the player, Wes. It has everything to do with the situation - which is how much the Red Sox/Rangers paid just to negotiate with Dice-K/Darvish. It's no different than me saying (if the Orioles were to sign Prince Fielder) "I am sure they will sign Prince and it'll be the Albert Belle scenario all over again" An ignorant comment, but not racist.

Racist....really? There is nothing racist about anything anyone said above. I've added how I interpreted what they said below each quote...

Racist is such a touchy word, we all shouldn't use it to label actions or statements so easily.

I agree, they're definitely ignorant - and based in racism. What else would motivate otherwise ridiculous (in a baseball skill evaluation) comparisons such as those listed above?

Signing Fielder would have been a better deal. 50 Mil+ just to have the Rights?

What a waste of payroll.
I can count on ONE finger how many Japanese players have turned out to be worth the signing.

Hideki Matsui? Kaz Sasaki? Hiroki Kuroda? Hideo Nomo? Ichiro? Uehara? Okajima? Shingo Takatsu? Aki Iwamura?

Good thing you're not a GM or a scout.

 

[Joshua.Roundtree]

Asian guy is upset because everyone points out that only TWO Asian players out of the plethora ("Do you know what a 'plethora' is? Good, neither does El Guapo") that have come stateside have had All-star level success. It's not racist, it's just fact at this point. But just like 90% of the banter on this board, it's all speculation at this point. Let's wait to judge him once he actually gets on the field against MLB players.

 

[Wes]

Asian guy is upset because everyone points out that only TWO Asian players out of the plethora ("Do you know what a 'plethora' is? Good, neither does El Guapo") that have come stateside have had All-star level success. It's not racist, it's just fact at this point. But just like 90% of the banter on this board, it's all speculation at this point. Let's wait to judge him once he actually gets on the field against MLB players.

Actually, me being Asian has nothing to do with it. I'm more irritated that a bunch of bullies hiding behind computer screens think that it's okay or even intelligent to belittle a player based on a racially based evaluation. I'd be saying the same things if you or anyone else was chalking up Cespedes as an automatic failure because he's Cuban, Bryce Harper because he's white, Anthony Gose because he's black or Jesus Montero because he's Venezuelan.

Not only is it insulting to people of intelligence - regardless of their race - it's insulting to scouts and talent evaluation in general, from those within the Rangers organization to those in the media. How many of the ignorant comments in this thread, including yours, are made by people who have never even seen the guy pitch beyond a few internet highlight clips? Show some actual intelligence and evaluate someone based on what they are and what they've done - not what color their skin is or where they were born.

 

[sports-vault]

Its not about race! i dont care if the guy came from the Slovakian League or the Greek League! The bottom line is that players from Japan have not fared well in MLB!!! Its not rocket science! Yes, some of the players noted do make valuable utility infielders or 7th or 8th inning relievers but to warrant a financial commitment of 5 years and say 125 Million or so is utterly ridiculous and NOT responsible!!! Most people are NOT knocking the player but are knocking the 52 million to negotiate and the other 75 million or so to sign. I wouldnt knock Darvish if he were to sign a 5 year 45-50 million contract. I think most people including myself think that the Rangers grossly overpaid for a guy who comes from a League in Japan that is far inferior to major league baseball! Look at the players from MLB that have become mega stars in japan. Bottom Line- Price was ridiculously exorbitant!!!!

 

[vwnut13]

Is it racist to say that every pitcher from AAA is unlikely to have a great MLB Career?

 

[hail2thevictors]

Asian guy is upset because everyone points out that only TWO Asian players out of the plethora ("Do you know what a 'plethora' is? Good, neither does El Guapo") that have come stateside have had All-star level success. It's not racist, it's just fact at this point. But just like 90% of the banter on this board, it's all speculation at this point. Let's wait to judge him once he actually gets on the field against MLB players.

Actually, me being Asian has nothing to do with it. I'm more irritated that a bunch of bullies hiding behind computer screens think that it's okay or even intelligent to belittle a player based on a racially based evaluation. I'd be saying the same things if you or anyone else was chalking up Cespedes as an automatic failure because he's Cuban, Bryce Harper because he's white, Anthony Gose because he's black or Jesus Montero because he's Venezuelan.

Not only is it insulting to people of intelligence - regardless of their race - it's insulting to scouts and talent evaluation in general, from those within the Rangers organization to those in the media. How many of the ignorant comments in this thread, including yours, are made by people who have never even seen the guy pitch beyond a few internet highlight clips? Show some actual intelligence and evaluate someone based on what they are and what they've done - not what color their skin is or where they were born.

While I respect your opinion, the fact that people point out previous failures that are Asian players has nothing to do with racism. It's comparing apples to apples-it isn't rooted in any type of racism.

As I said in my first post-what you are doing is equally as bad as what you are accusing others of.

You wouldn't be doing the same thing about Harper? I'm sorry, but if someone compared Harper to someone like Matt Bush, the last thing you would do is come on here playing the race card. That is utterly ridiculous to say you would be doing the same thing.

And the whole "automatic failure" thing is exaggerated IMO. No one is calling him an automatic failure, what they are doing is making known the facts. The facts are there have been more failures than successes, when teams sign starting pitchers from Asia. That is what people are pointing out here-I don't think anyone said he is an automatic failure.

Since you want to call people out here, call people ignorant, etc-I'm going to just go ahead and say it-you are being just as ignorant yourself. And it's insulting to scouts? OK? How about the fact that you are insulting many people on here by your accusations.

 

[P_Manning 18]

Im guessing they looked at this list..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_from_Japan and see maybe 3 or 4 guys who actually had decent success in MLB. Doubt color of skin or race played any part in the reason.

 

[hail2thevictors]

Its not about race! i dont care if the guy came from the Slovakian League or the Greek League! The bottom line is that players from Japan have not fared well in MLB!!!

One of my favorite lines fits well here.

"Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story"

:lol: :lol: :lol: ::facepalm:: ::facepalm:: ::facepalm::

 

[Joshua.Roundtree]

Its not about race! i dont care if the guy came from the Slovakian League or the Greek League! The bottom line is that players from Japan have not fared well in MLB!!! Its not rocket science! Yes, some of the players noted do make valuable utility infielders or 7th or 8th inning relievers but to warrant a financial commitment of 5 years and say 125 Million or so is utterly ridiculous and NOT responsible!!! Most people are NOT knocking the player but are knocking the 52 million to negotiate and the other 75 million or so to sign. I wouldnt knock Darvish if he were to sign a 5 year 45-50 million contract. I think most people including myself think that the Rangers grossly overpaid for a guy who comes from a League in Japan that is far inferior to major league baseball! Look at the players from MLB that have become mega stars in japan. Bottom Line- Price was ridiculously exorbitant!!!!

Bottom line, Rangers spent more than the Rays PAYROLL to negotiate with a player, good for them......

Japan League, making superstars out of Orestes Destrada, Tuffy Rhodes, and Colby Lewis since 1988... When Scott Mathieson becomes Roger Clemens next season, you'll know why.

The California Penal League has produced better MLBers..... :mrgreen:

Since this thread has become such a hot topic...........FREE Yu Darvish Bowman WBC RC to the first person to post what movie the quote from my previous post came from.