RAZOR ANNOUNCES NEW 2010 POKER PRODUCT....

[Adamsince1981]

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[Razor]

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Companies aren't selling to the consumer, they are selling to the distributor. If the manufacturer sells out and distributors continue to buy, they have no financial reason to listen to consumers or worry about what value consumers get. Their non sport products have done very well from their point of view

You clearly missed my point (or maybe not).

For him to say that his product was a "good value" at factory cost means that it's overpriced by the time it gets to the consumer at SRP.

Most products, no matter the company that releases them, are overpriced; however, at least Topps, UD and Panini don't come on these boards, try to make a dollar out of 15 cents and force-feed it down people's throats.[/quote]

Our products don't have an "srp".... Dealers and collectors figure out the price based on what you guys are willing to pay.
If you don't like the price, don't buy it. It seems plenty of people are willing to pay market value.

Ill wager that a case break on 2009 Sports Icons Update yields a better return that 95% of breaks of Topps, UD or Donruss products.

BG

 

[Razor]

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+1000

 

[Sean_C]

Because they aren't desperate.

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[Jaypers]

Because they aren't desperate.

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Or personable.

 

[rico08]

Razor isn't concerned with who buys singles. Once they've sold their product, it doesn't matter to them that no one picking up singles really cares Razor brand cards are out there. I think in most cases Razor is a fourth thought after any combination of Topps/UD/Donruss. And that's no fault of Razor. Everyone's a critic, but the difference is those critics are more willing to gamble on a box of Bowman Chrome versus Razor Signature. The secondary market is much more favorable to Chrome.

But the Big Three don't care about single card prices either. When you can't get a box of 2007 Bowman Chrome for factory cost, that's not Topps' fault. Blame dealers, case speculators, the open market. Card companies make their money once their product is sold to distributors. When your hobby shop is stuck with a case of UD's latest debacle, UD doesn't lose money when the shop doesn't sell it.

Razor still might release an awesome sports product that blows everyone out of the water and puts them on that collecting map. For now, they continue to put off any chance at that milestone and continue to make non-sport. Which, from what I've heard, is pretty good for them.

 

[Sean_C]

No doubt. Most of the stuffed suits at UD and Topps may not have personality, but they have the good sense not to ruin their brand name by getting into arguments on public message boards.

Because they aren't desperate.

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Or personable.

 

[masonphillip]

No doubt. Most of the stuffed suits at UD and Topps may not have personality, but they have the good sense not to ruin their brand name by getting into arguments on public message boards.

[quote="Sean_C":38kpttf8]Because they aren't desperate.

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Or personable.

[/quote:38kpttf8]

yep. they do it by continually putting out garbage products.

 

[mredsox89]

And just because people on this board hate Razor doesn't mean they ruined their reputation. If their reputation was ruined they wouldn't still be able to sell products to distributors.

 

[bodiaz]

I love Razor products! I am not a prospector, and do not take it personally that they signed some big stars and made them exclusive. That is where all the hate comes from. People couldn't get their crappy precious shiny blue, red, yellow superfractors man made by Topps! Topps could make 5 billion of those shiny turds, and they do, and call them all one of one! Give me Razor and BG as a front man anyday. I like the fact that you can assk him a question and he steps right up and answers! You don't have to talk to $8 crappy customer service reps, you can deal directly with the man!

P.S. BG, PM me for my mailing addy, send me some poker product for getting your back!

 

[Sean_C]

Distributors have to continue to buy new product to sell. Granted when they get burned on previous products they may buy less or eventually nothing at all, but they do need to continue to flip things in order to stay in business, and something is better than nothing. I can't imagine that many distributors really enjoy buying some of the non-sports garbage Topps has put out, but $ is $, and sometimes you hold your nose, write the check, and hope you don't get stuck with it.

Razor has done well with their poker line, and I commend them for it. It's just the rest of the story that is so off-setting.

BTW, why the hell is this still on the baseball board?

And just because people on this board hate Razor doesn't mean they ruined their reputation. If their reputation was ruined they wouldn't still be able to sell products to distributors.

 

[mredsox89]

Distributors have to continue to buy new product to sell. Granted when they get burned on previous products they may buy less or eventually nothing at all, but they do need to continue to flip things in order to stay in business, and something is better than nothing. I can't imagine that many distributors really enjoy buying some of the non-sports garbage Topps has put out, but $ is $, and sometimes you hold your nose, write the check, and hope you don't get stuck with it.

Razor has done well with their poker line, and I commend them for it. It's just the rest of the story that is so off-setting.

BTW, why the hell is this still on the baseball board?

And just because people on this board hate Razor doesn't mean they ruined their reputation. If their reputation was ruined they wouldn't still be able to sell products to distributors.

But if the consumer hates Razor then distributors shouldn't be able to flip Razor products above factory cost.

 

[yakacack]

I love Razor products! I am not a prospector, and do not take it personally that they signed some big stars and made them exclusive. That is where all the hate comes from. People couldn't get their crappy precious shiny blue, red, yellow superfractors man made by Topps! Topps could make 5 billion of those shiny turds, and they do, and call them all one of one! Give me Razor and BG as a front man anyday. I like the fact that you can assk him a question and he steps right up and answers! You don't have to talk to $8 crappy customer service reps, you can deal directly with the man!

P.S. BG, PM me for my mailing addy, send me some poker product for getting your back!

Bad news for you if bodiaz has your back.

 

[baseballguy350]

It will be one of the major sites.
We are currently "negotiating" this right now.
BG

From experience, PStars offers the easiest set up of private tournaments, at the lowest costs, relative to PStars, FT, and UB.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Because they aren't desperate.

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Or personable.

Yeah. Real personable.

 

[kentuckyderby]

would love to be able to view the play-in tourney
hopefully that's an option

 

[justinmandawg]

[quote="Sean_C":2jle68lu]Because they aren't desperate.

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Or personable.

Yeah. Real personable.[/quote:2jle68lu]

Says an attorney.

 

[aminors]

I love the fact that the card companies are responsible for consumers "losing their shirts" on a collectible.

Were any Razor products promoted as an "investment"? No. In fact, I don't believe ANY card companies promote their products as "investments."

The card companies set a price point on their products based on costs. You, as the buyer/consumer, decide if you want to buy the product at that price. If you do...you're buying a COLLECTIBLE.

If you choose to try and turn that collectible into an "investment" that is solely YOUR problem, not the card company. You lose, your problem for buying in at the price YOU paid. You could very easily said "no thanks" if you didn't feel the "investment" was worth it.

Why can't I thank this post more than once?!

+a million.

Ant

 

[kentuckyderby]

I love the fact that the card companies are responsible for consumers "losing their shirts" on a collectible.

Were any Razor products promoted as an "investment"? No. In fact, I don't believe ANY card companies promote their products as "investments."

The card companies set a price point on their products based on costs. You, as the buyer/consumer, decide if you want to buy the product at that price. If you do...you're buying a COLLECTIBLE.

If you choose to try and turn that collectible into an "investment" that is solely YOUR problem, not the card company. You lose, your problem for buying in at the price YOU paid. You could very easily said "no thanks" if you didn't feel the "investment" was worth it.

Why can't I thank this post more than once?!

+a million.

Ant

I'm sure there were posts by BG/Razor when Sig Series was first coming out pumping and pumping and pumping up the product about what a great investment the product was ("exclusives" and so on)
I don't see anything wrong with that and am not knocking it.
I just felt like replying to the post that said nobody from any card company ever promotes their stuff as investments but rather only as collectibles
Sig Series was going to be the next best thing since sliced bread...and then Metal was going to be the next best thing....and then Razor M was going to be the investment product of the century

Again, nothing wrong with a company standing behind their product and preidcting investment potential. But to be fair, cannot sit back and read posts where one says that no company ever pimps their stuff as good investments

Heck, the back says Happy Prospecting not happy collecting

 

[RandomH]

Distributors have to continue to buy new product to sell. Granted when they get burned on previous products they may buy less or eventually nothing at all, but they do need to continue to flip things in order to stay in business, and something is better than nothing. I can't imagine that many distributors really enjoy buying some of the non-sports garbage Topps has put out, but $ is $, and sometimes you hold your nose, write the check, and hope you don't get stuck with it.

Razor has done well with their poker line, and I commend them for it. It's just the rest of the story that is so off-setting.

BTW, why the hell is this still on the baseball board?

And just because people on this board hate Razor doesn't mean they ruined their reputation. If their reputation was ruined they wouldn't still be able to sell products to distributors.

This is a slap to the face for all the other people that posted stuff that got moved.