RAZOR ANNOUNCES NEW 2010 POKER PRODUCT....

[HoustonTeams4Me]

I'm sure there were posts by BG/Razor when Sig Series was first coming out pumping and pumping and pumping up the product about what a great investment the product was ("exclusives" and so on)
I don't see anything wrong with that and am not knocking it.
I just felt like replying to the post that said nobody from any card company ever promotes their stuff as investments but rather only as collectibles
Sig Series was going to be the next best thing since sliced bread...and then Metal was going to be the next best thing....and then Razor M was going to be the investment product of the century

Again, nothing wrong with a company standing behind their product and preidcting investment potential. But to be fair, cannot sit back and read posts where one says that no company ever pimps their stuff as good investments

Heck, the back says Happy Prospecting not happy collecting

Why can't I thank this post more than once?!

+a million.

:lol:

Dave.

 

[HoustonTeams4Me]

Distributors have to continue to buy new product to sell. Granted when they get burned on previous products they may buy less or eventually nothing at all, but they do need to continue to flip things in order to stay in business, and something is better than nothing. I can't imagine that many distributors really enjoy buying some of the non-sports garbage Topps has put out, but $ is $, and sometimes you hold your nose, write the check, and hope you don't get stuck with it.

Razor has done well with their poker line, and I commend them for it. It's just the rest of the story that is so off-setting.

BTW, why the hell is this still on the baseball board?

And just because people on this board hate Razor doesn't mean they ruined their reputation. If their reputation was ruined they wouldn't still be able to sell products to distributors.

This is a slap to the face for all the other people that posted stuff that got moved.

Isn't Razor a sponsor here (that's why I'm guessing this has not gotten moved...they help support the board financially therefore they retain the ability to fudge certain rules that other's (the non-paying kind) cannot. That's the only reason I could think of.

 

[Jaypers]

I wonder what the odds are of seeing a thread in which Brian posts that doesn't turn into a pissing match.....

 

[kentuckyderby]

I wonder what the odds are of seeing a thread in which Brian posts that doesn't turn into a pissing match.....

Any comments posted not true?

edit: any comments posted by me not true?

 

[justinmandawg]

Anyone that doesn't realize there are certain rules for certain people in this world, aren't aware of how life works.

 

[Jaypers]

I wonder what the odds are of seeing a thread in which Brian posts that doesn't turn into a pissing match.....

Any comments posted not true?

You mean ones that haven't been posted 100+ times already in past threads?

 

[NYCrulesU]

Because they aren't desperate.

- why other companies aren't on this board -

"+1000"

 

[kentuckyderby]

I wonder what the odds are of seeing a thread in which Brian posts that doesn't turn into a pissing match.....

Any comments posted not true?

You mean ones that haven't been posted 100+ times already in past threads?

Keep that theory in mind when you want to post your routine thread ripping on the problems of Topps
Not trying to start with you because you offer a great deal and I enjoy reading 99.99% of your threads BUt you do have an affection towards ripping on Topps when you have the chance

so if people want to voice their opinion on something else 1,000 times over and over, let them


with that said, man this Illinois weather blows

 

[Jaypers]

I wonder what the odds are of seeing a thread in which Brian posts that doesn't turn into a pissing match.....

Any comments posted not true?

You mean ones that haven't been posted 100+ times already in past threads?

Keep that theory in mind when you want to post your routine thread ripping on the problems of Topps
Not trying to start with you because you offer a great deal and I enjoy reading 99.99% of your threads BUt you do have an affection towards ripping on Topps when you have the chance

so if people want to voice their opinion on something else 1,000 times over and over, let them


with that said, man this Illinois weather blows

And yet I buy their cards constantly. Man, I must be some kind of hypocrite.

I'll say it yet again - I have no favorite card company. I have no problems with pointing out shortcomings, no matter who produces them.

EDIT: And btw, when a certain person affiliated with Topps asks me for suggestions for players to be included within upcoming Bowman products, I don't hesitate.

 

[Razor]

would love to be able to view the play-in tourney
hopefully that's an option

It will be 100% for sure!
BG

 

[kentuckyderby]

would love to be able to view the play-in tourney
hopefully that's an option

It will be 100% for sure!
BG

thumbs up


Looking forward to the 2010 poker stuff
Tom Dwan is the man along with Dennis Phillips (STL Cards hat guy --- met him at a tourney in Indiana, played at my brother's table)

 

[Crash Davis]

[quote="NYCrulesU":2fyww2hm][quote="All In Cards":2fyww2hm][quote="NYCrulesU":2fyww2hm]Nothing impressive about this release other than the redemption for the WSOP buy-in. What's next after this flops worse than your failed attempt at baseball, Roller Derby? ::facepalm::

you have no clue, there non sport stuff has done great.

The secondary market says otherwise. Maybe I would be blind to that fact if I road the hype train too, but fortunately I don't.

Can you name one 2008 or later razor non-sport release under cost?
I can't. Because not even one is.
I highly recommend homework over guesswork.
BG

I can tell you based on Ebay sales how many people lost their shirts on your Presidential cuts. That's a fact. So no guess work there. Pure fact. Reason? People will dish out for UD/Topps etc. They don't want some fly by night "Razor" brand. Again, fact. Try as you may, try as you might your products will continue to tank. No need to get testy because the truth is a hard pill to swallow.

Success of a product/company, in this market, is directly tied to secondary sales. Just because you ran the hype machine here and had enough of a cult-ish following that your products sold out doesn't mean squat. I can personally tell you the tons of show dealers, store owners and collectors that didn't and wouldn't buy a Razor product. They don't want them in the stores, they can't sell them at shows and they can't move them on Ebay. Resale vale = next to nothing. If you call that success then I suggest you get your head examined. Ride the wave now while you have a small following still. Eventually people will wake up and stop being suckered by the "newest thing" and realize they are just wasting their money.

With all due respect, you obviously do not know me.
If you did, as all the distributors do, you would know that I am not a fly by nighter.
ANY part of this industry I have been involved in, it has been as a market leader.

You dont have to collect our products. Many people like our brands and the value they provide. You still havent named one single non-sports box form 2008-present that weve made that is under cost. NO other company can boast this.
Do the research. Its a fact, not hype.
BG

p.s.- We didnt make Oval office packs $2700-3000. Dealers did. Factory cost was $1500. At $1500, it was a solid value.[/quote:2fyww2hm]

The common collector doesn't have the opportunity to purchase boxes at "factory cost" and have to buy from dealers who mark-up the boxes based on the "factory cost" you state to be "a solid value."

To say that your product at "factory cost" is a solid value is an extremely irresponsible statement.[/quote:2fyww2hm]

With all respect, you miss the point. At a fair markup, Oval was a fair value. At double cost, it was only ok.

The fact that it was trading at $2750 from a $1500 factory cost should tell you how good the value was at $1500 factory cost.

In my opinion, iresponsible is coming on message boards acting like you understand "the business" portion of the industry when you obviously don't.
BG

p.s.- dont believe me??? go break some Topps UFC series 1 Boxes at $350-450 now and see how you do.
Is it a good product?[/quote:2fyww2hm]

You just don't get it.

I repeated your words. You said your product was a good value @ factory cost (1500) in response to poster who said that most everyone who bought your Presidential Cuts product got their ass handed to them. You never defended your product at the current retail price.

To be fair based upon your statement would be to compare Topps UFC 1 @ FACTORY COST, which was much $69 I believe, and NOT the 350-400 you quotes. Again, you twist and turn the facts so as to make your product look much better than it really is. I respect the salesman aspect of your game, but you seem to take a lot of people on these boards for fools, which they are not

 

[Razor]

[quote="Crash Davis":3a04ljdx]

[quote="NYCrulesU":3a04ljdx][quote="All In Cards":3a04ljdx][quote="NYCrulesU":3a04ljdx]Nothing impressive about this release other than the redemption for the WSOP buy-in. What's next after this flops worse than your failed attempt at baseball, Roller Derby? ::facepalm::

you have no clue, there non sport stuff has done great.

The secondary market says otherwise. Maybe I would be blind to that fact if I road the hype train too, but fortunately I don't.

Can you name one 2008 or later razor non-sport release under cost?
I can't. Because not even one is.
I highly recommend homework over guesswork.
BG

I can tell you based on Ebay sales how many people lost their shirts on your Presidential cuts. That's a fact. So no guess work there. Pure fact. Reason? People will dish out for UD/Topps etc. They don't want some fly by night "Razor" brand. Again, fact. Try as you may, try as you might your products will continue to tank. No need to get testy because the truth is a hard pill to swallow.

Success of a product/company, in this market, is directly tied to secondary sales. Just because you ran the hype machine here and had enough of a cult-ish following that your products sold out doesn't mean squat. I can personally tell you the tons of show dealers, store owners and collectors that didn't and wouldn't buy a Razor product. They don't want them in the stores, they can't sell them at shows and they can't move them on Ebay. Resale vale = next to nothing. If you call that success then I suggest you get your head examined. Ride the wave now while you have a small following still. Eventually people will wake up and stop being suckered by the "newest thing" and realize they are just wasting their money.

With all due respect, you obviously do not know me.
If you did, as all the distributors do, you would know that I am not a fly by nighter.
ANY part of this industry I have been involved in, it has been as a market leader.

You dont have to collect our products. Many people like our brands and the value they provide. You still havent named one single non-sports box form 2008-present that weve made that is under cost. NO other company can boast this.
Do the research. Its a fact, not hype.
BG

p.s.- We didnt make Oval office packs $2700-3000. Dealers did. Factory cost was $1500. At $1500, it was a solid value.[/quote:3a04ljdx]

The common collector doesn't have the opportunity to purchase boxes at "factory cost" and have to buy from dealers who mark-up the boxes based on the "factory cost" you state to be "a solid value."

To say that your product at "factory cost" is a solid value is an extremely irresponsible statement.[/quote:3a04ljdx]

With all respect, you miss the point. At a fair markup, Oval was a fair value. At double cost, it was only ok.

The fact that it was trading at $2750 from a $1500 factory cost should tell you how good the value was at $1500 factory cost.

In my opinion, iresponsible is coming on message boards acting like you understand "the business" portion of the industry when you obviously don't.
BG

p.s.- dont believe me??? go break some Topps UFC series 1 Boxes at $350-450 now and see how you do.
Is it a good product?[/quote:3a04ljdx]

You just don't get it.

I repeated your words. You said your product was a good value @ factory cost (1500) in response to poster who said that most everyone who bought your Presidential Cuts product got their ass handed to them. You never defended your product at the current retail price.

To be fair based upon your statement would be to compare Topps UFC 1 @ FACTORY COST, which was much $69 I believe, and NOT the 350-400 you quotes. Again, you twist and turn the facts so as to make your product look much better than it really is. I respect the salesman aspect of your game, but you seem to take a lot of people on these boards for fools, which they are not[/quote:3a04ljdx]


I am going to take the advice of some wise members and not argue with you in this forum.
It is clear you are not a fan of our brand, which is totally fine.
I will stand behind the fact that Oval office (even at $2700) had you broken all 99 boxes returns more than 95% of all products produced today.

I will end this conversation with you by saying that your relationships with another manufacturer do somewhat taint the sincerity of your "constructive criticism". But regardless, I appreciate your feedback and it has been noted.

BG

 

[Sean_C]

Whenever I read or am reminded about Razor, I can't help but think of the movie "Boiler Room".

Edit to update: Considering the "sincere" PM I got from Brian thanking me for my kind words and support. I figure I should clarify what I mean by my comment. Razor reminds me of 1 specific aspects of the movie; the scene where Seth is explaining how they get such big commissions on the sale of the stock because the owner of the firm is tied to the companies , and that their firm is the only one selling the particular stock. Without those brokers pushing the stock, there would be no market. Without the push that Razor received here, I don't think there would have been much of a market for their cards.

 

[Razor]

Whenever I read or am reminded about Razor, I can't help but think of the movie "Boiler Room".

Edit to update: Considering the "sincere" PM I got from Brian thanking me for my kind words and support. I figure I should clarify what I mean by my comment. Razor reminds me of 1 specific aspects of the movie; the scene where Seth is explaining how they get such big commissions on the sale of the stock because the owner of the firm is tied to the companies , and that their firm is the only one selling the particular stock. Without those brokers pushing the stock, there would be no market. Without the push that Razor received here, I don't think there would have been much of a market for their cards.

Honestly, if you ever gave a single constructive criticism rather than just blind bashing, I would love to hear honest thoughts.

300lb, NYC3 and even Jeff N. have expressed criticisms before, which while I may not completely agree, I respected because they truly attempted to criticism in a respectful constructive way.

With that being said, Boiler Room is one of my favorite movies ever (and not for the behavior you imply in your post).

BG

 

[011873]

Let me say that I am VERY THRILLED with Razor.

As in:

I am thrilled all their non sports stuff is selling over cost.
I am thrilled that nearly everyone here has wet ******* over their Poker stuff
I am thrilled they have had big success with past Poker cards
I am thrilled they have had big success with non sports
I am also thrilled their Baseball stuff has tanked big time
I am also thrilled they have no plans for Baseball
I am also thrilled that they wont help mess up future BC products with their exclusives

So god luck Razor with all your non Baseball products and keep up the great work.

But now Im off to post a question about the Tiger Woods fiasco on the BASEBALL BOARDS keeping in mind that it SHOULD be allowed on the baseball boards because, well, he shares his name with a Baseball team in Detroit.

 

[cgilmo]

Let me say that I am VERY THRILLED with Razor.

As in:

I am thrilled all their non sports stuff is selling over cost.
I am thrilled that nearly everyone here has wet ******* over their Poker stuff
I am thrilled they have had big success with past Poker cards
I am thrilled they have had big success with non sports
I am also thrilled their Baseball stuff has tanked big time
I am also thrilled they have no plans for Baseball
I am also thrilled that they wont help mess up future BC products with their exclusives

So god luck Razor with all your non Baseball products and keep up the great work.

But now Im off to post a question about the Tiger Woods fiasco on the BASEBALL BOARDS keeping in mind that it SHOULD be allowed on the baseball boards because, well, he shares his name with a Baseball team in Detroit.

When you enter the market as a manufacturer of collectibles then you too will be given special posting consideration. Topps, Tristar, UD, Mothers Cookies, Jimmy Dean, Sportflicks, Panini, or anyone else that is relevant to the hobby in this manner is given special permissions.

I am sorry if this offends you, but its simply the way it has to be.

 

[allstars]

The common collector doesn't have the opportunity to purchase boxes at "factory cost" and have to buy from dealers who mark-up the boxes based on the "factory cost" you state to be "a solid value."

To say that your product at "factory cost" is a solid value is an extremely irresponsible statement.

The above statement is so dead-on, and the most accurate comment made in this thread. People that make a living selling cards have no interest in "value at factory cost" - they have mouths to feed.

To hear a manufacturer make a comment like that is beyond disheartening. Also, to gloat about being the only company who's products are all "over cost" is nothing short of comical, consideriing the company is still in the infantile stage.

I cashed-in big on the poker fad, selling chips & shufflers. From where I sit that fad ended about 2 years ago. 300 cases might sound pidly to the baseball card market, but I suspect it's about all the poker card collector's market can care to absorb. High-end doesn't & will never exist in that market, nor will there be a desire for several poker card products in a given calendar year. It's a novelty, nothing more.

If BG can make a buck in the tiny, niche markets good for him. Why he'd be here spamming a baseball card forum instead of hyping his product in a poker chat room is beyond me...

 

[cgilmo]

[quote="Crash Davis":3uqmvaui]The common collector doesn't have the opportunity to purchase boxes at "factory cost" and have to buy from dealers who mark-up the boxes based on the "factory cost" you state to be "a solid value."

To say that your product at "factory cost" is a solid value is an extremely irresponsible statement.

The above statement is so dead-on, and the most accurate comment made in this thread. People that make a living selling cards have no interest in "value at factory cost" - they have mouths to feed.

To hear a manufacturer make a comment like that is beyond disheartening. Also, to gloat about being the only company who's products are all "over cost" is nothing short of comical, consideriing the company is still in the infantile stage.

I cashed-in big on the poker fad, selling chips & shufflers. From where I sit that fad ended about 2 years ago. 300 cases might sound pidly to the baseball card market, but I suspect it's about all the poker card collector's market can care to absorb. High-end doesn't & will never exist in that market, nor will there be a desire for several poker card products in a given calendar year. It's a novelty, nothing more.

If BG can make a buck in the tiny, niche markets good for him. Why he'd be here spamming a baseball card forum instead of hyping his product in a poker chat room is beyond me...[/quote:3uqmvaui]


it isn't spam

he was invited, as is every manufacturer

 

[Adamsince1981]

The future of the hobby is direct sales from card manufacturer to consumer.

Considering the fact that the internet, Wal-mart, Target, and eBay exists...I'm surprised this hasn't already happened.