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Razor Chrome: Will it become the new BDP?
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200lbHockeyPlayer, those multi-color mockups are gorgeous.
It's funny how in just a matter of minutes, you can create a beautiful, yet simple, design that is better than what Razor's staff made.
As for Chrome, I'd much rather have DUFEX!!!!
That would be sweet.
It's funny how in just a matter of minutes, you can create a beautiful, yet simple, design that is better than what Razor's staff made.
As for Chrome, I'd much rather have DUFEX!!!!
That would be sweet.
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Crash Davis said:
This is the height of comedy.
Man, you need to do some homework before you post nonsense like this. Really.[/quote:186c85jb]
You think? I guess a person's opinions don't matter if it's not yours. To each his own, but some type of chromium product will be put out by razor. The numbering is not as important as the colored refractor cards. Time will tell, but Razor has already made a hobby impact. And Crash nvrmnd not worth it..
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Skorris (CCBC) said:
again how many of you guys take generic medicines? is that right?
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Listen, I'm not saying it would be bad for RAZOR to utilize a chrome'esque finnish to there cards, but to also follow suit ala Bowman with color and number schemes is just laughable. RAZOR is built on 3 main concepts that I can see...
1. Value of collector input.
2. New concepts and ideas. (or atleast improved old ones)
3. Exclusives up the *****.
These are what they will have to build on and quantify release after release if they plan to stay viable and actually make a mark in this industry. I think it's widely accepted that this hobby needs something new, fresh and collectable for all, including prospectors looking to flip and thoes looking for the thrill of the bust as well as PC collectors and whoever else.
RAZOR must do what others have failed at, and it will be no easy task. Sure they got there foot in the door by wetting the prospectors appetite, but to limit themselvs to such a small market without embracing the entire hobby (as bowman does) will be there shortcoming if not rectified.
It's my opinion RAZOR needs to produce a star and vetran based set as well, perhaps some thing solo or limited as inserts. but they need to include this facet to grow. They also need to draw the masses in with on-card Star and HOF auto's and subsets. This is something bowman has done in the past, but never really followed through on as they have to utilize something to keep Topps viable. If one could get all there collecting needs out of Bowman, what becomes of topps?? But I digress...
RAZOR needs to build on its reputation of being a collectors card company and not just a prospectors. I think they have allready cleared the first and biggest hurdle, and to simply sit on there laurells and re-do what is allready been done is not the way to usher in a new day of collecting. hopefully RAZOR has more ambition and creativity than most of you.
1. Value of collector input.
2. New concepts and ideas. (or atleast improved old ones)
3. Exclusives up the *****.
These are what they will have to build on and quantify release after release if they plan to stay viable and actually make a mark in this industry. I think it's widely accepted that this hobby needs something new, fresh and collectable for all, including prospectors looking to flip and thoes looking for the thrill of the bust as well as PC collectors and whoever else.
RAZOR must do what others have failed at, and it will be no easy task. Sure they got there foot in the door by wetting the prospectors appetite, but to limit themselvs to such a small market without embracing the entire hobby (as bowman does) will be there shortcoming if not rectified.
It's my opinion RAZOR needs to produce a star and vetran based set as well, perhaps some thing solo or limited as inserts. but they need to include this facet to grow. They also need to draw the masses in with on-card Star and HOF auto's and subsets. This is something bowman has done in the past, but never really followed through on as they have to utilize something to keep Topps viable. If one could get all there collecting needs out of Bowman, what becomes of topps?? But I digress...
RAZOR needs to build on its reputation of being a collectors card company and not just a prospectors. I think they have allready cleared the first and biggest hurdle, and to simply sit on there laurells and re-do what is allready been done is not the way to usher in a new day of collecting. hopefully RAZOR has more ambition and creativity than most of you.
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Blue Hodges Reverend said:
again how many of you guys take generic medicines? is that right?[/quote:15r1knca]
You do realize this is not exactly an apples to apples comparison, right? If you can not see it, please PM me and I'll explain in depth on how your logic is flawed. But then again, perhaps I'd be waisting my time...
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btw i have no dog in the fight for either company and I love blue/gold refractors of bowman [sig/avatar as proof]. But if a certain player has no auto in bowman chrome and have one in a razor chromium product i am buying the auto over the non-auto product. mho
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Blue Hodges Reverend said:
I think that is very well said.
As long as RAZOR can break beyond the acceptance of TRi-Star level of milb cards and be recognized as quality collectable cards reguardless of license, sorta like EEE..
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The way I look at it is if Topps and Upperdeck out lasted Donruss in the licensing agreements then there is no way any other company could jump in front of Donruss for a license and with that being said It looks like Razor and anyone else will be out of the licensing game for good. Point being if Mlb gave out another License it would not be Razor, It would be Donruss. Also like someone said earlier if Topps even feel remotely threatened they will take every single exclusive and Razor will be done with. I dont see this company (Razor) lasting but a few more years. Good Luck to them and hopfully they can pull thru...
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matfanofold said:
You do realize this is not exactly an apples to apples comparison, right? If you can not see it, please PM me and I'll explain in depth on how your logic is flawed. But then again, perhaps I'd be waisting my time...[/quote:8yne2a9u]
your points are well taken and i realize that different industries, but haven't razor already copied other companies in signature edition? black/blue/etc?
As for the difference in the generic example, don't generic companies focus on brand products that were blockbuster products? Once the patent is expired it gives others the right to make the product without having to do the initial research. They have to do bioavailablity studies, but most never do full studies from phase 1-3 all they have to do is "copy" what the other companies have done. It's about money and the consumer could care less as long as they save money.
Just saying "borrowing" ideas happen ALL the Time. Wasn't Donruss the first company to come up with the Letterman idea? copied. One-auto per pack? Donruss. copied. Refractor technology? Donruss and the Mirror products? copied. Sounds like we need Donruss back in Baseball. LET'S NOT GO THERE.
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Blue Hodges Reverend said:
You do realize this is not exactly an apples to apples comparison, right? If you can not see it, please PM me and I'll explain in depth on how your logic is flawed. But then again, perhaps I'd be waisting my time...[/quote:hhehr7aa]
your points are well taken and i realize that different industries, but haven't razor already copied other companies in signature edition? black/blue/etc?
As for the difference in the generic example, don't generic companies focus on brand products that were blockbuster products? Once the patent is expired it gives others the right to make the product without having to do the initial research. They have to do bioavailablity studies, but most never do full studies from phase 1-3 all they have to do is "copy" what the other companies have done. It's about money and the consumer could care less as long as they save money.
Just saying "borrowing" ideas happen ALL the Time. Wasn't Donruss the first company to come up with the Letterman idea? copied. One-auto per pack? Donruss. copied. Refractor technology? Donruss and the Mirror products? copied. Sounds like we need Donruss back in Baseball. LET'S NOT GO THERE.[/quote:hhehr7aa]
Difference being that Generics are mostly Goverment mandated and people NEED there drugs to live properly. There is not really anything comparable to the diverse drug mandated industry and the novelty hobby of card collecting. Yes, they are cheap knock off's but not so much for profit as it is for demand. This is why there is no real comparison among other things..
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The "chrome" technology has nothing to do with why the product is so successful. Just because Razor uses the same card design doesn't mean the product would ever be close to the quality of the bowman rookie products.
Two comparable products with similar card design, which would win out? Licensed or unlicensed?
Two comparable products with similar card design, which would win out? Licensed or unlicensed?
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matfanofold said:
your points are well taken and i realize that different industries, but haven't razor already copied other companies in signature edition? black/blue/etc?
As for the difference in the generic example, don't generic companies focus on brand products that were blockbuster products? Once the patent is expired it gives others the right to make the product without having to do the initial research. They have to do bioavailablity studies, but most never do full studies from phase 1-3 all they have to do is "copy" what the other companies have done. It's about money and the consumer could care less as long as they save money.
Just saying "borrowing" ideas happen ALL the Time. Wasn't Donruss the first company to come up with the Letterman idea? copied. One-auto per pack? Donruss. copied. Refractor technology? Donruss and the Mirror products? copied. Sounds like we need Donruss back in Baseball. LET'S NOT GO THERE.[/quote:1la8o2mw]
Difference being that Generics are mostly Goverment mandated and people NEED there drugs to live properly. There is not really anything comparable to the diverse drug mandated industry and the novelty hobby of card collecting. Yes, they are cheap knock off's but not so much for profit as it is for demand. This is why there is no real comparison among other things..[/quote:1la8o2mw]
No, I see your point and not arguing that fact. I understand the demand issue, but those companies do make money by focusing mostly on the blockbuster products. What I am talking about is Razor making a chromium product that would be highly competitive with BC esp. if BC does not have the ability to produce the KEY prospect cards, be they auto'd or not.
Case in point Bowman Chrome without alonso/beckam/hosmer/weiters/ other key
razor chromium style product, forget the numbering, with them auto'd.
Where would your money go?
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KandKCards said:
if both products have access to the same prospects, name recognition wins [BOWMAN CHROME].
if one has key exclusives that the other doesn't [Razor].
why was/is UD basketball so successful? MJ/LBJ
I buy players, not necessarily products. If you have the right checklist, I am easy to please.
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Blue Hodges Reverend said:
your points are well taken and i realize that different industries, but haven't razor already copied other companies in signature edition? black/blue/etc?
As for the difference in the generic example, don't generic companies focus on brand products that were blockbuster products? Once the patent is expired it gives others the right to make the product without having to do the initial research. They have to do bioavailablity studies, but most never do full studies from phase 1-3 all they have to do is "copy" what the other companies have done. It's about money and the consumer could care less as long as they save money.
Just saying "borrowing" ideas happen ALL the Time. Wasn't Donruss the first company to come up with the Letterman idea? copied. One-auto per pack? Donruss. copied. Refractor technology? Donruss and the Mirror products? copied. Sounds like we need Donruss back in Baseball. LET'S NOT GO THERE.[/quote:2hj9z4yg]
Difference being that Generics are mostly Goverment mandated and people NEED there drugs to live properly. There is not really anything comparable to the diverse drug mandated industry and the novelty hobby of card collecting. Yes, they are cheap knock off's but not so much for profit as it is for demand. This is why there is no real comparison among other things..[/quote:2hj9z4yg]
No, I see your point and not arguing that fact. I understand the demand issue, but those companies do make money by focusing mostly on the blockbuster products. What I am talking about is Razor making a chromium product that would be highly competitive with BC esp. if BC does not have the ability to produce the KEY prospect cards, be they auto'd or not.
Case in point Bowman Chrome without alonso/beckam/hosmer/weiters/ other key
razor chromium style product, forget the numbering, with them auto'd.
Where would your money go?[/quote:2hj9z4yg]
Ah, ok..
I guess I looked past the over simplification of your comparison. In which case it's hard not to agree.
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cgilmo said:
Ding! Ding! Ding! That is so true. As in real estate Location! Location! Location! I would have to agree in sports card collecting/prospecting the name of the game is Checklist! Checklist! Checklist! Right now Razor have access to a better checklist. I guess that is why topps is so secretive now about their Bowman Sterling checklist. They came through with BDP, but who in his right mind would continue to buy sight unseen in the future, especially considering the exclusive issue. I am talking multi-case breaks.
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matfanofold said:
Difference being that Generics are mostly Goverment mandated and people NEED there drugs to live properly. There is not really anything comparable to the diverse drug mandated industry and the novelty hobby of card collecting. Yes, they are cheap knock off's but not so much for profit as it is for demand. This is why there is no real comparison among other things..[/quote:1d35s1m5]
No, I see your point and not arguing that fact. I understand the demand issue, but those companies do make money by focusing mostly on the blockbuster products. What I am talking about is Razor making a chromium product that would be highly competitive with BC esp. if BC does not have the ability to produce the KEY prospect cards, be they auto'd or not.
Case in point Bowman Chrome without alonso/beckam/hosmer/weiters/ other key
razor chromium style product, forget the numbering, with them auto'd.
Where would your money go?[/quote:1d35s1m5]
Ah, ok..
I guess I looked past the over simplification of your comparison. In which case it's hard not to agree.
[/quote:1d35s1m5]BTW I am in the pharma business so I do understand your points better than most.
