Razor Rookie Retro Checklist is live

[Guest]

Yeah I was going to ask about the 41 Teddy Play Ball as well, because I assume this product was all RC cards. It's a great card and all but I would rather have a PSA 1 39 PB than the PSA 4 41 PB. Not a huge deal, but still.

If you are the "poor, unfortunate soul" who has the "misfortune" of pulling the 1941 Play Ball Ted Williams I will gladly go out and find a beat up '39 Play Ball Williams and swap it for the VG/EX '41.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Yeah I was going to ask about the 41 Teddy Play Ball as well, because I assume this product was all RC cards. It's a great card and all but I would rather have a PSA 1 39 PB than the PSA 4 41 PB. Not a huge deal, but still.

My pet peeve. RC = Rookie Card

So you're basically saying "Rookie Card Cards"

*tears hair out*

Okay sorry, back to the regularly scheduled Razor bashing thread.

I don't think anyone other than Sean Christian Wegman is bashing Razor.

I'm certainly not.

I suspect that the Razor/Leaf roller coaster will turn after the product is released and some not so good cards come to light.

I'd be thrilled with a '41 Play Ball Williams.

Jeff,
All the cards are on the checklist. I dont expect to see any cards come to light that we havent already announced.
BG

I didn't mean to accuse you of a bait and switch. I meant a predomanance of 2002 BowmanDavid Wright and 2010 Bowman base Strasburgs and other low low low valued cards.

 

[bmp1]

It is shocking reading some of the responses on here regarding this product. It is very apparent that BG is a true professional in this industry and has delivered a product that MANY of us have been waiting for. This Sean guy and some others need to get out of their parents basements and find a new hobby or grow up a little. How some of you respond to BG's replies is simply childish and kind of embarrasing.

 

[coltsnsox07]

I have 2 cases plus 2 boxes of this coming and I plan to sell 99.9% of what I open. I bought 40(not a typo) of Legends of the Diamond and sold 2 cards, and one of those was a '62 Clemente to Gilmo, the other 38 are now in my collection as high grade vintage! I love the old stuff for collecting and the shiny new stuff for selling. I really like what Razor/Leaf has been putting out, higher end lottery-like products.

 

[coltsnsox07]

By the way, looks like Atl. is sold out of cases and boxes but Global still has both at the same price ($1336 and $219) as yesterday.

 

[Guest]

I can't stop myself.

Joe Orlando's list of the Top 10 sports cards...
1. 1909-11 T206 Honus Wagner
"First" Wagner card: 1899-00 Sporting News Supplements M101-1
2. 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle
"First" Mantle card: 1951 Bowman
3. 1916 M101-4 Sporting News Babe Ruth
"First" Ruth card: 1914 Baltimore News
4. 1909-11 T206 Eddie Plank
"First" Plank card: 1903-04 Breisch-Williams E107
5. 1933 Goudey Napoleon Lajoie
"First" Lajoie card: 1903-04 Breisch-Williams E107
6. 1911 Turkey Red T3 Ty Cobb
"First" Cobb card: 1902-11 Sporting Life Cabinets W600
7. 1933 Goudey Babe Ruth
"First" Ruth card: 1914 Baltimore News
8. 1951 Bowman Mickey Mantle
...wow. An actual "first" card.
9. 1914 Cracker Jack Joe Jackson
"First" Jackson card: 1902-11 Sporting Life Cabinets W600
10. 1934 Goudey Lou Gehrig
"First" Gehrig card: 1925 Exhibit

The "RC" designation just does not hold water before WW2.

And, just to note, the most desired Williams card is arguably the 1954 Wilson Franks card ... issued a generation after the '39 Play Ball.

 

[bmp1]

I have 2 cases plus 2 boxes of this coming and I plan to sell 99.9% of what I open. I bought 40(not a typo) of Legends of the Diamond and sold 2 cards, and one of those was a '62 Clemente to Gilmo, the other 38 are now in my collection as high grade vintage! I love the old stuff for collecting and the shiny new stuff for selling. I really like what Razor/Leaf has been putting out, higher end lottery-like products.

Very well said. This is what BG has done and many of us have been waiting for it. To be honest, it was getting a little boring opening up exquisite and National treasures for me. I do not sell cards and find no use for a bunch of jersey/base cards to fill up the boxes. However, a slabbed vintage or newer RC of big name players, I am in. Thanks BG for bringing this product and others like it to the hobby.

 

[Sean_C]

You are missing the point. You are arguing value. I'm only talking designation. As I mentioned in my first post, if it were a DiMaggio card, or some other pre WW2 cards, it wouldn't have been as big of a deal, but the 1939 Play Ball Ted Williams is one of the few clearly defined Rookie Cards from the era. The product name is Rookie Retro. BG has even admitted that it was a screw up on his part. And as previously mentioned, I'd much rather pull that PSA 4 third year card than some of the other rookie cards in the product. It's just not a rookie card.

I can't stop myself.

Joe Orlando's list of the Top 10 sports cards...
1. 1909-11 T206 Honus Wagner
"First" Wagner card: 1899-00 Sporting News Supplements M101-1
2. 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle
"First" Mantle card: 1951 Bowman
3. 1916 M101-4 Sporting News Babe Ruth
"First" Ruth card: 1914 Baltimore News
4. 1909-11 T206 Eddie Plank
"First" Plank card: 1903-04 Breisch-Williams E107
5. 1933 Goudey Napoleon Lajoie
"First" Lajoie card: 1903-04 Breisch-Williams E107
6. 1911 Turkey Red T3 Ty Cobb
"First" Cobb card: 1902-11 Sporting Life Cabinets W600
7. 1933 Goudey Babe Ruth
"First" Ruth card: 1914 Baltimore News
8. 1951 Bowman Mickey Mantle
...wow. An actual "first" card.
9. 1914 Cracker Jack Joe Jackson
"First" Jackson card: 1902-11 Sporting Life Cabinets W600
10. 1934 Goudey Lou Gehrig
"First" Gehrig card: 1925 Exhibit

The "RC" designation just does not hold water before WW2.

And, just to note, the most desired Williams card is arguably the 1954 Wilson Franks card ... issued a generation after the '39 Play Ball.

 

[bmp1]

You are missing the point. You are arguing value. I'm only talking designation. As I mentioned in my first post, if it were a DiMaggio card, or some other pre WW2 cards, it wouldn't have been as big of a deal, but the 1939 Play Ball Ted Williams is one of the few clearly defined Rookie Cards from the era. The product name is Rookie Retro. BG has even admitted that it was a screw up on his part. And as previously mentioned, I'd much rather pull that PSA 4 third year card than some of the other rookie cards in the product. It's just not a rookie card.



Who cares and move on. It is very apparent that you do not like Razor for some reason. BG purchased hundreds of cards for this product and a mistake is going to happen. You should take the advice from an earlier poster and go outside for some fresh air.

 

[Guest]

You are missing the point. You are arguing value. I'm only talking designation. As I mentioned in my first post, if it were a DiMaggio card, or some other pre WW2 cards, it wouldn't have been as big of a deal, but the 1939 Play Ball Ted Williams is one of the few clearly defined Rookie Cards from the era. The product name is Rookie Retro. BG has even admitted that it was a screw up on his part. And as previously mentioned, I'd much rather pull that PSA 4 third year card than some of the other rookie cards in the product. It's just not a rookie card.

I, and many, simply do not recognize the RC designation on cards issued before 1948.

 

[Sean_C]

Got plenty of air when going to and back from the gym. Plus it's not that easy to get me to shut up.

You are missing the point. You are arguing value. I'm only talking designation. As I mentioned in my first post, if it were a DiMaggio card, or some other pre WW2 cards, it wouldn't have been as big of a deal, but the 1939 Play Ball Ted Williams is one of the few clearly defined Rookie Cards from the era. The product name is Rookie Retro. BG has even admitted that it was a screw up on his part. And as previously mentioned, I'd much rather pull that PSA 4 third year card than some of the other rookie cards in the product. It's just not a rookie card.



Who cares and move on. It is very apparent that you do not like Razor for some reason. BG purchased hundreds of cards for this product and a mistake is going to happen. You should take the advice from an earlier poster and go outside for some fresh air.

 

[AKA Coastal]

Still dunno if it's going to work. It's just a real expensive scratch ticket IMO. The additional cards are nice ,but I'm just not sure people are going to be happy paying 40% more for a card they could have got off Ebay. How many cards in the product are over $225? How many total packs are there? Before anyone mentions it. I realize all wax is a gamble ,but this isn't really wax.

 

[Casebusters]

Still dunno if it's going to work. It's just a real expensive scratch ticket IMO. The additional cards are nice ,but I'm just not sure people are going to be happy paying 40% more for a card they could have got off Ebay. How many cards in the product are over $225? How many total packs are there? Before anyone mentions it. I realize all wax is a gamble ,but this isn't really wax.

If you think its really expensive, then don't buy it...
I went to AC years ago and they had a slot machine that was $1000 a pull.
Did I put 1K into the machine? HELL NO!, But is there people out there that will?

The people opening these packs are not worrying about getting a card they can buy on ebay for less than $300, they are looking to hit a card that $250-$300 cannot buy!..

Who would buy lottery tickets at $300 if they are to get at least $150 back but a 1 in 3000 chance to win $20,000? I may not, but I'm sure there are people who would.

 

[Leaf]

[quote="Jeff N.":cjw1ieyn]

Yeah I was going to ask about the 41 Teddy Play Ball as well, because I assume this product was all RC cards. It's a great card and all but I would rather have a PSA 1 39 PB than the PSA 4 41 PB. Not a huge deal, but still.

My pet peeve. RC = Rookie Card

So you're basically saying "Rookie Card Cards"

*tears hair out*

Okay sorry, back to the regularly scheduled Razor bashing thread.

I don't think anyone other than Sean Christian Wegman is bashing Razor.

I'm certainly not.

I suspect that the Razor/Leaf roller coaster will turn after the product is released and some not so good cards come to light.

I'd be thrilled with a '41 Play Ball Williams.

Jeff,
All the cards are on the checklist. I dont expect to see any cards come to light that we havent already announced.
BG

I didn't mean to accuse you of a bait and switch. I meant a predomanance of 2002 BowmanDavid Wright and 2010 Bowman base Strasburgs and other low low low valued cards.[/quote:cjw1ieyn]

There is ONE david wright and ZERO 2010 Bowman Base Strasburgs (I managed to pull all out)...

 

[ThoseBackPages]

Still dunno if it's going to work. It's just a real expensive scratch ticket IMO. The additional cards are nice ,but I'm just not sure people are going to be happy paying 40% more for a card they could have got off Ebay. How many cards in the product are over $225? How many total packs are there? Before anyone mentions it. I realize all wax is a gamble ,but this isn't really wax.

i love seeing those vending machines in the store, but HATE the thought of the pack free falling to the bottom lol

 

[bmp1]

Still dunno if it's going to work. It's just a real expensive scratch ticket IMO. The additional cards are nice ,but I'm just not sure people are going to be happy paying 40% more for a card they could have got off Ebay. How many cards in the product are over $225? How many total packs are there? Before anyone mentions it. I realize all wax is a gamble ,but this isn't really wax.

If you think its really expensive, then don't buy it...
I went to AC years ago and they had a slot machine that was $1000 a pull.
Did I put 1K into the machine? HELL NO!, But is there people out there that will?

The people opening these packs are not worrying about getting a card they can buy on ebay for less than $300, they are looking to hit a card that $250-$300 cannot buy!..

Who would buy lottery tickets at $300 if they are to get at least $150 back but a 1 in 3000 chance to win $20,000? I may not, but I'm sure there are people who would.

That was an excellent post casebusters. I fall into the category you explained above.

 

[scotty21690]

In actuality the 1941 is his most popular pre war card but the 1939 PB RC has finally started to gain in value like should. Its ugly but a RC.

However in super high grade (not the ones offered by Razor) the margins of difference between the two cards get much closer.

1939 PB- PSA 4 VCP Average- $835
1941 PB- PSA 4 VCP Average- $513
% Difference- 163%

1939 PB- PSA 7 VCP Average-$2,257
1941 PB- PSA 7 VCP Average-$1,695
% Difference- 133%

1939 PB- PSA 8 VCP Average-$4,873
1941 PB- PSA 8 VCP Average-$4,214
% Difference- 116%

It looks like there has only been 1 9 of each sold in recent times so the data isn't really that good to look at.

You don't get it do you? I would rather have his ROOKIE CARD (Better, Wes?) than his third year card. 1939 Play Ball is one of my favorite sets all time and I figured the product was all rookies. Don't give me prices comparing the two, value doesn't matter I would just rather have the 39. It's easily one of my most wanted/needed cards. How can you say it's ugly??? Are you serious? It's a great looking card, I LOVE the B&W photos.

EDIT: Yes, I realize the addition of the 41 was a mistake, but I am throwing out my $.02 anyways...

 

[scotty21690]

Yeah I was going to ask about the 41 Teddy Play Ball as well, because I assume this product was all RC cards. It's a great card and all but I would rather have a PSA 1 39 PB than the PSA 4 41 PB. Not a huge deal, but still.

If you are the "poor, unfortunate soul" who has the "misfortune" of pulling the 1941 Play Ball Ted Williams I will gladly go out and find a beat up '39 Play Ball Williams and swap it for the VG/EX '41.

Uhm, when did I say I wouldn't want the 41 PB? I would absolutely love to pull that card, but if I had to choose I would take the lower grade 39 PB. (Keep in mind that I am working on the 39 PB Red Sox team set, and I just need Berg and Williams to complete it)

 

[Mr.Whipple]

All the hate is because of losing money on prospects. Where are all these hobby cops when tricky Dick lied about changing the redemption system to a max of 45 days or the insane amount of back doored topps cards on ebay? A post was just made showing auctions for red refractors that would show product tion to be over a dozen of each. Brian comes on here and interacts with collectors and takes advice. This product is the same as others in concept. Just odds and good luck to get a good card. Some of the responses are laughable and scary honestly. Any thread, post or product he offers, you folks can find a negative and run with it. I hope some of you put this Passion in important issues and not just this hobby. oh wait to some of you its a business and nothing else.

 

[morgoth]

My math is fine, but its only as good as the data on VCP.

Compared to the 41 PB the 39 is a dull, BW fugly card. Thats the reason historically it hasn't dramatically been worth more than the 41 PB Williams.

I don't know how long you have collected vintage but this is something that goes back A LONG WAY. Ask any longtime dealer selling vintage, its only been recently that the 39 has gained some steam. Most likely due to RC set collectors and PSA's registry.

Sorry to piss in your post toasties but the facts are that in high grades there isn't that much difference in realized prices between the two cards.