Rene Tosoni Auto Lots. Amazing!

[CP_C]

Re: Bye Bye, Rene Tosoni

I figured someone would swoop in and work an off ebay deal on them. Congrats to whoever got the lots. May never see something like those again. Any idea what buyer is going to do with them? Sell them off in small lots, singles or just keep the entire hoard and be the king of all Tosoni auto cards. Also got those Orioles pitcher orange lot. Something like 24 of 25 oranges of his.

But if they are in fact stolen, can't Topps force them to be returned? Not sure I'd want to make that purchase just to have them taken.

Cargolargo owned the cards, not Topps. Did anyone see a police report filed by Topps on these? Unless they did that, they are not stolen property.

Read other 8 page thread. The explanation on how Cargolargo got these is in there.

i doubt Topps is losing any sleep over Rene Tosoni autograph cards.

Haha why is this a new thread anyway?

The only reason I'd think they'd lose sleep is not being able to fulfill outstanding redemption cards. Seems like that would (continue to) cause Topps more customer service issues.

 

[Jaypers]

Re: Bye Bye, Rene Tosoni

Haha why is this a new thread anyway?

Was too lazy to go looking for the other one.

Mods, feel free to merge this if you like.

 

[Wes]

Re: Bye Bye, Rene Tosoni

Haha why is this a new thread anyway?

Was too lazy to go looking for the other one.

Mods, feel free to merge this if you like.

Done

 

[clarkfan]

I'm kinda disappointed they were ended early. I really wanted to see what those lots sold for and what kind of investment (if there was one) could have been made by buying them. Oh well, maybe we will start seeing them on there 1 at a time for next 3 years.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Okay guys, I didn't want to post this because I figured someone else would do it, but...

How much is a base auto, or even an orange refractor auto of a busted prospect? $1-2 for the base? $5? Maybe $10 for the Orange?

Now, let's say you hold 98% of the print run for both. How much are they worth now?

Well, you have your die hard Chrome set collectors who will pay a premium for the base auto - so you can make some money as you initially sell those off one at a time... but are there a lot of refractor, xfractor, blue, gold, orange, and red refractor set collectors? If the player itself is not worth anything, than you're just dealing with the card as part of the set -- call it a checklist, harkening back to old Topps base sets - you need the checklist to complete the set.

So, you may make some money on the first few base chromes and maybe the first few refractors, but once the first ones are out there and the sets are complete, you're sitting on 900 base chromes, 480 refractors, 230 xfractors, 45 gold autos, 20 oranges, and 3 reds which aren't worth more than a common auto.


Whether you've got a piece of garbage or a whole trash heap, it's still garbage.

 

[carlitoson]

I don't really follow the minors much, so I ask...did Tosoni do something to "ruin" his chances at making the majors? I've been wondering this since the threads started because everyone has been saying that he's terrible, he sucks, who cares, etc. I thought he had solid numbers in AA ball when I looked him up, so did I miss something?

Serious question.

 

[Messier2]

Him winning the Futures Game MVP also put his name out there a bit.

 

[moxacaine]

I don't really follow the minors much, so I ask...did Tosoni do something to "ruin" his chances at making the majors? I've been wondering this since the threads started because everyone has been saying that he's terrible, he sucks, who cares, etc. I thought he had solid numbers in AA ball when I looked him up, so did I miss something?

Serious question.

i was wondering the same thing too. the guy had solid stats in AA this year.

 

[Jaypers]

He'll be on my Twins' Top 10 Prospects list when it's published.

 

[carlitoson]

OK thanks for the answers guys. Thought I was out of touch with reality (well, more than usual...).

 

[matchpenalty]

He also might have Canada following as well. We got any Twins experts on farm system? Have no idea how he ranks overall. His stats don't look bad.

 

[matchpenalty]

Okay guys, I didn't want to post this because I figured someone else would do it, but...

How much is a base auto, or even an orange refractor auto of a busted prospect? $1-2 for the base? $5? Maybe $10 for the Orange?

Now, let's say you hold 98% of the print run for both. How much are they worth now?

Well, you have your die hard Chrome set collectors who will pay a premium for the base auto - so you can make some money as you initially sell those off one at a time... but are there a lot of refractor, xfractor, blue, gold, orange, and red refractor set collectors? If the player itself is not worth anything, than you're just dealing with the card as part of the set -- call it a checklist, harkening back to old Topps base sets - you need the checklist to complete the set.

So, you may make some money on the first few base chromes and maybe the first few refractors, but once the first ones are out there and the sets are complete, you're sitting on 900 base chromes, 480 refractors, 230 xfractors, 45 gold autos, 20 oranges, and 3 reds which aren't worth more than a common auto.


Whether you've got a piece of garbage or a whole trash heap, it's still garbage.

To me this is what made these auctions so fascinating. I think the value is in owning the entire runs.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

I am out of the non Phillies prospect loop; I thought I had read he was not a prospect. If he is, that makes this much more interesting.

 

[JEA2880]

Okay guys, I didn't want to post this because I figured someone else would do it, but...

How much is a base auto, or even an orange refractor auto of a busted prospect? $1-2 for the base? $5? Maybe $10 for the Orange?

Now, let's say you hold 98% of the print run for both. How much are they worth now?

Well, you have your die hard Chrome set collectors who will pay a premium for the base auto - so you can make some money as you initially sell those off one at a time... but are there a lot of refractor, xfractor, blue, gold, orange, and red refractor set collectors? If the player itself is not worth anything, than you're just dealing with the card as part of the set -- call it a checklist, harkening back to old Topps base sets - you need the checklist to complete the set.

So, you may make some money on the first few base chromes and maybe the first few refractors, but once the first ones are out there and the sets are complete, you're sitting on 900 base chromes, 480 refractors, 230 xfractors, 45 gold autos, 20 oranges, and 3 reds which aren't worth more than a common auto.


Whether you've got a piece of garbage or a whole trash heap, it's still garbage.

To me this is what made these auctions so fascinating. I think the value is in owning the entire runs.

A few things:

#1- Obviously if he makes it, you're in the money; it's a relatively low-risk, high reward proposition, as you can load up on a prospect like never before without having to pay $3 for each one individually.

#2- It could go down as one of those legendary items in card lore. The Bowman Chrome Auto that was never actually issued by Topps. It could emerge as a card with a cult following.

#3- You can certainly hold Topps up for these things if you were able to secure them from the ebay seller before they could. I would imagine it's a much better option for Topps to pony up the few thousand or so it would take to get these things back and ship them to people holding redemptions in lieu of having to go through the nightmare of replacing literally the entire print run. If they don't pay you with cash, I'd imagine they'd be willing to give you a king's ransom in product in exchange for the haul.

 

[NECpilgrims8]

I find it absolutely comical that all these people are calling Tosoni a crap player. He is far from a crap player, and while not a top prospect, he still has a decent shot to be a MLB player (at least for a short time).

23 y/o JC product, in AA, also playing in AFL.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb ... pid=459434

Certainly, the Twins have some OF prospects that rank above him (Revere, Hicks, Benson), but he is far from a crap player or non-prospect.

If those parallel lots didn't go for a ton, I was looking to try and win the oranges or blues. I think they certainly had some potential.

 

[kentuckyderby]

To acccuse Topps of potentially shilling this auction????

I wonder if a post (accusation) like that would be allowed if it = about another company about 6 months ago

Why would you even think someone would be saying they were shilling? What purpose would that even serve? I was merely saying maybe it is them trying to win the auction...

Some comments on page 7 made it seem as if some hinted towards shilling with others agreeing and then it was thrown out there that maybe it was Topps. Ok I get it now. At first I read it as if it meant Topps was shilling and not bidding

 

[HPC]

I think the people calling him crap are either naive or are trying to lessen the interest of them so they can make a run for those cards.

Just my thoughts after reading 10 pages.

 

[matchpenalty]

I think the people calling him crap are either naive or are trying to lessen the interest of them so they can make a run for those cards.

Just my thoughts after reading 10 pages.

Did you read the part where auctions have been pulled and sold off Ebay.

I would have loved to have seen them go the distance and see what kind of prices they sold for.

Beefy what did your Topps contact tell you about these? You were certain that Topps would get these pulled. Wonder if Mario can confirm that the guy on his site did indeed score the lots.

 

[Billy Packer]

Re: Bye Bye, Rene Tosoni

Also this isn't the first time this has happened.
I'm sure some of you know of other cases where autograph cards never got back to the company for packs, but ended up showing up on ebay.
I recall someone in 97 Donruss signature got cards stolen out of their car.
I think 97-98 Skybox autographics had one or two rookies I think it was Tim Thomas was one and someone from 1997 UD Legends football. Where a few cards showed up signed on ebay with UD coa on the back, but were never returned for pack out or redemptions.

This was the the troubled (now deceased) former Steeler HOF center Mike Webster. He never returned the signed cards to UD but a fairly significant quantity of them made their way onto the secondary market (I have one in my near-set). It's believed his agent was selling them directly to dealers in quantity.

 

[kentuckyderby]

I think the people calling him crap are either naive or are trying to lessen the interest of them so they can make a run for those cards.

Just my thoughts after reading 10 pages.

Same thing happened with AFLAC cards and then same people bought them in enormous quantity