Rick Porcello in the Tigers starting rotation

[thefasterblade]

I don't really see how you can compare this to the Maybin call up.

Maybin was called up at the end of a season in 2007 and only got 49 ABs. The Tigers were trying to make a playoff run and found their OF to be very light at the time, needing his bat. I don't think they were handing over a job to him or calling him up for good. They just felt that they can get production from within as they made a last minute push.

I'd compare it to Bonderman and Verlander, alone. Not even Andrew Miller as part of his contract demanded him to make a big league appearance that season.

 

[shephech]

All I can say is Porcello just seems to look older then his age on the mound, and looks alot more advanced then Miller did.

Shep :ugeek:

 

[Jaypers]

I don't really see how you can compare this to the Maybin call up.

Quite simple. Both are around the same age, and both were/are Detroit's #1 prospects. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[EricInCT]

http://www.freedomcardboard.com/forum/v ... =2&t=34388[/url]

A lot of people really gave ALL_THE_HYPE a hard time in this thread. Its just silly to make such bold statements like "He has no chance!"

Some people just like to think they know everything.

It is not necessarily "he has no chance to make it" it was more like "there are 5 guys on the team that are better choices to open the season until he develops"......sadly they are just a bunch of bums........they will have a difficult season and Porcello will take major lumps.

I see it Akin to situation in Atlana with Tommy Hanson.

He has the stuff to make it, however there are 5 better pitchers who they are more comfortable with starting while he gets work in on the farm.

The difference is that Hanson would have dominated if he made the rotation and Porcello will struggle. now THAT I will apologize for if I am in error, but I strongly believe this. Would Hanson dominate in the AL East? No friggin way!!!

LOL..Porcello has better overall stuff than Hanson. Hanson has a better fastball, yes, but give me Porcello's stuff over Hanson's all day everyday. I need that crystal ball of yours..

It is not the stuff it is the league.....AL is in a league of there own.[/quote]

The NL East is a much better hitting division than the AL Central. If we were talking either the AL East or the AL West, it might be a little different.[/quote:2c6bbvq1]


I hope both are in the bigs this year so we can find out.

 

[cgilmo]

I wasn't a believer until I saw him on the mound against big league pitchers for myself.


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1487 ... k-porcello




Lots of news has been lighting up my google reader rss inbox about former Seaton Hall prep star and current Detroit Tiger rookie Rick Porcello.

There are lots of stories that seem to center around concern that the Tigers are "rushing" this young pitching prospect. I tend to disagree with most of those concerns. I might have seen where the naysayers are coming from, if he did not pitch so well under much pressure this spring.

Everything I saw (thank you mlb.tv) had the look of a major league pitcher. His poise and command was as impressive as anyone else I saw out there for the Tigers.

Baseball Prospectus had a wonderful question and answer session with him (Subscription needed to view the entire article) where he seemed to give all the answers you want to hear from a young pitcher with electric stuff.

One of the better quotes is in the first question

David Laurila: How would you describe Rick Porcello's pitching style?

Rick Porcello: I'm kind of—at least I try to be—aggressive. I go after hitters and try not to back down from anybody. I'm the type of pitcher who pitches a lot off his fastball. I'm the type of guy where there really aren't going to be a lot of surprises. It's more of a, 'Here it is, try and hit it' sort of mentality that I have when I go out there. I'm going after guys. They know what I'm going to throw, so it's my best against their best, and that's the way I like it.

You can bet that Rick Porcello has the poise to attack big league hitters. As long as the Tigers keep a close eye on him and use sort of a "kid gloves" approach in the early going I think this move could be a great move for both Rick and The Detroit Tigers.

Read more of Chris Gilmore's work at The Statline Report

 

[xcantgobackx]

Now the question is how many people in this thread come back and admit they were wrong?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=34388

A lot of people really gave ALL_THE_HYPE a hard time in this thread. Its just silly to make such bold statements like "He has no chance!"

Some people just like to think they know everything.

It is not necessarily "he has no chance to make it" it was more like "there are 5 guys on the team that are better choices to open the season until he develops"......sadly they are just a bunch of bums........they will have a difficult season and Porcello will take major lumps.

I see it Akin to situation in Atlana with Tommy Hanson.

He has the stuff to make it, however there are 5 better pitchers who they are more comfortable with starting while he gets work in on the farm.

The difference is that Hanson would have dominated if he made the rotation and Porcello will struggle. now THAT I will apologize for if I am in error, but I strongly believe this. Would Hanson dominate in the AL East? No friggin way!!!

That's a great opinion, but it's off topic. The debate in the thread I posted wasn't should he make it, it was will he make it. And he made it. And to not point fingers, I tried not to post direct quotes, but yours said:

He wont.

 

[KC37]

Listed 2 high end cards of him yesterday. An orange ref and and Elite Gold Auto /5.

What prices do you think I can get on those 2? I listed them BIN/BO.

Should I sell with this hype or hold? I am not a big flipper...advice is appreciated.

The Orange won't get more than the $349 that the other one is listed at. I didn't get mine up in time, so I might wait until Sunday - the week running up to his first start might cause a little more hype. Then again, it's a BGS 9, 01/25, and I'm only into it for a fraction of what it will go for, so I might not get too greedy and just take a profit.

Actually just sold my Porcello Orange refractor BGS 9.5 for $400 a couple days ago.

Oh, is his 9.5? I was thinking raw. Because there's a raw sitting at 349, so there would be no reason for someone to surpass that unless the other one has obvious flaws.

 

[EricInCT]

Now the question is how many people in this thread come back and admit they were wrong?

http://www.freedomcardboard.com/forum/v ... =2&t=34388

A lot of people really gave ALL_THE_HYPE a hard time in this thread. Its just silly to make such bold statements like "He has no chance!"

Some people just like to think they know everything.

It is not necessarily "he has no chance to make it" it was more like "there are 5 guys on the team that are better choices to open the season until he develops"......sadly they are just a bunch of bums........they will have a difficult season and Porcello will take major lumps.

I see it Akin to situation in Atlana with Tommy Hanson.

He has the stuff to make it, however there are 5 better pitchers who they are more comfortable with starting while he gets work in on the farm.

The difference is that Hanson would have dominated if he made the rotation and Porcello will struggle. now THAT I will apologize for if I am in error, but I strongly believe this. Would Hanson dominate in the AL East? No friggin way!!!

That's a great opinion, but it's off topic. The debate in the thread I posted wasn't should he make it, it was will he make it. And he made it. And to not point fingers, I tried not to post direct quotes, but yours said:

He wont.

I was wrong, they just have a rosters of bums and it is proof they will barely pass the royals for last place.

 

[thefasterblade]

I don't really see how you can compare this to the Maybin call up.

Quite simple. Both are around the same age, and both were/are Detroit's #1 prospects. Nothing more, nothing less.

Its a lot different to break camp with a team, than to get a cup of coffee. I can't say Maybin was "rushed" or "screwed up" because they gave him 49 ABs back in 2007.

Maybin's chronic minor injuries were the only thing screwing him up during the Detroit years. That and the horrific K/GB rates lol.

 

[xcantgobackx]

Now the question is how many people in this thread come back and admit they were wrong?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=34388

A lot of people really gave ALL_THE_HYPE a hard time in this thread. Its just silly to make such bold statements like "He has no chance!"

Some people just like to think they know everything.

It is not necessarily "he has no chance to make it" it was more like "there are 5 guys on the team that are better choices to open the season until he develops"......sadly they are just a bunch of bums........they will have a difficult season and Porcello will take major lumps.

I see it Akin to situation in Atlana with Tommy Hanson.

He has the stuff to make it, however there are 5 better pitchers who they are more comfortable with starting while he gets work in on the farm.

The difference is that Hanson would have dominated if he made the rotation and Porcello will struggle. now THAT I will apologize for if I am in error, but I strongly believe this. Would Hanson dominate in the AL East? No friggin way!!!

That's a great opinion, but it's off topic. The debate in the thread I posted wasn't should he make it, it was will he make it. And he made it. And to not point fingers, I tried not to post direct quotes, but yours said:

He wont.

I was wrong, they just have a rosters of bums and it is proof they will barely pass the royals for last place.

Haha, maybe so. I don't even disagree with you there. Should be an interesting year.

 

[UMich92]

In the previous thread started by ALL_THE_HYPE I stated, "I agree Porcello is definitely not ready and still think the 5th starter job is Robertson's to lose. Though, if he doesn't throw strikes he won't last long."

I'll call that half correct. From what I've seen in the past two weeks, it looks like both Porcello and Perry are ready. That said, if either Dontrelle or Robertson would have pitched decently this spring I think Porcello would be headed to the minors.

This feels a lot like '06 when the Tigers decided both Verlander and Zumaya were among their best 12 pitchers and brought both up to start the season. I'd like to think the Tigers can get a result from Porcello and Perry that is somewhat similar.

Alex

 

[Jaypers]

I can't say Maybin was "rushed" or "screwed up" because they gave him 49 ABs back in 2007.

I can. He played nearly all of the season in High-A (when he wasn't injured), played all of 6 games in AA and was called up to Detroit in August. Sounds like a rush job to me.

 

[Craig - 21hawk]

Apparently I underestimated the stupidity of the Tigers.

Craig

 

[thefasterblade]

I can't say Maybin was "rushed" or "screwed up" because they gave him 49 ABs back in 2007.

I can. He played nearly all of the season in High-A (when he wasn't injured), played all of 6 games in AA and was called up to Detroit in August. Sounds like a rush job to me.

He was scorching the ball when that happened. I don't think that it held him back in any way. I think its a lot different to hand a guy over a job and say, you're our guy...win us some games.

 

[shephech]

Now the question is how many people in this thread come back and admit they were wrong?

http://www.freedomcardboard.com/forum/v ... =2&t=34388

A lot of people really gave ALL_THE_HYPE a hard time in this thread. Its just silly to make such bold statements like "He has no chance!"

Some people just like to think they know everything.

It is not necessarily "he has no chance to make it" it was more like "there are 5 guys on the team that are better choices to open the season until he develops"......sadly they are just a bunch of bums........they will have a difficult season and Porcello will take major lumps.

I see it Akin to situation in Atlana with Tommy Hanson.

He has the stuff to make it, however there are 5 better pitchers who they are more comfortable with starting while he gets work in on the farm.

The difference is that Hanson would have dominated if he made the rotation and Porcello will struggle. now THAT I will apologize for if I am in error, but I strongly believe this. Would Hanson dominate in the AL East? No friggin way!!!

That's a great opinion, but it's off topic. The debate in the thread I posted wasn't should he make it, it was will he make it. And he made it. And to not point fingers, I tried not to post direct quotes, but yours said:

He wont.

I was wrong, they just have a rosters of bums and it is proof they will barely pass the royals for last place.

Magglio Ordonez/Curtis Granderson/Miguel Cabrera/Rick Porcello/Justin Verlander.... Yeah they are all bums lol, seriously though why insult someone else' team?.

Shep :ugeek:

 

[EricInCT]

Let's just say this:

Porcello is not in the lineup because of his ability, it is out of desperation.


If Robertson pitched like say Paul Maholms this spring or Buchholz, he wouldn't see the bigs for 3 months, minimum.

 

[shephech]

Yeah people will insult the tigers now.... but if he comes out and does great, these people will jump on the wagon.

I personally thing it's too soon.... but also he has alot more poise on the mound then others his age.

Shep :ugeek:

 

[shephech]

Let's just say this:

Porcello is not in the lineup because of his ability, it is out of desperation.


If Robertson pitched like say Paul Maholms this spring or Buchholz, he wouldn't see the bigs for 3 months, minimum.

Your right ofcourse it's desperation... everybody knows that, because of people going on the DL.

But I would not be at all surprised if he does good.

Shep :ugeek:

 

[bballcardkid]

I asked the question about this topic in today's chat as I addressed my concerns about Porcello possibly being yo-yo-ed in the organization, but it looks like BA has chosen JP's response:

J.P. (Springfield, IL): Jim, could I get your comments on Rick Porcello getting the nod as Detroit's #5 starter? I worry about this decision, as I'm currently getting Maybin flashbacks. He was their #1 prospect at the time of his callup as well, and you saw how that turned out. Would his self-esteem take a big hit if he got rocked in the show? Thanks.

Jim Callis : (2:12 PM ET ) I don't think Maybin was irreparably harmed, and I don't think Porcello will be either. If he gets knocked around, you send him down. Would I promote him? No, I'd send him to Double-A for at least a month. But a lot of jobs are on the line in Detroit, and Porcello is one of their five best starting pitching options, and they're trying to win, so I can understand it.

 

[darocker80]

not a joke?