Sad Moss Fan :(

[benmoss84]

[quote="KandKCards":38yse6f1]I'm not a homer because I'm a Pats fan and loved him when he was here, but take off the Moss-colored glasses. He gave up on the long ball that he should've caught, regardless of whether there was a penalty or not. He ruined a great Pats win in week 1 by talking about his contract in his presser rather than the game. No matter how you spin it, Moss isn't a team guy. Never was, never will be. There's nothing wrong with that; you are what you are.
I'm not sure I agree with the fact that Moss is being misused, but I definitely agree with the fact that Childress is an atrocious coach. But, the ball should be in APs hands more than anyone else's. He's the best RB in the league, and the QB is a turnover machine.

well maybe you're right... but I kinda don't blame him for not being a team guy since the Patriots proved how disloyal they were to him. The man re-structured his contract to play with them in 2007 and turned down an even larger contract from Philly to re-sign with them in 2008! So all he asked for was some appreciation! In 51 games with the Pats he caught 50 TD'S!!!!!! I think THAT deserved some appreciation$$$$ don't you?

At the end of the day owners and coaches have no loyalty, so why should Moss go out of his way to be a "team guy" when it's not appreciated? When he was blinded to believe the organization did care about him then he played better, like in 2008 after Brady went down i'm sure the haters figured he'd tank (especially after having a brand new contract) but he didn't! Moss is a special and rare type of person, he demands loyalty and respect and if he doesn't get it he shows his displeasure!

He had to restructure in 07 because no one else wanted him. He stuck in 08 because it was the best place for him. He still made $9m per year in that deal, hardly chump change. And the job of owners and coaches is to win games and make money. Signing a 33 year old receiver with 9 catches through 4 games to a long term deal is not a good investment, nothing to do with loyalty. And why should Moss be a team guy? Because that's the way the world works. We all have jobs where we are under appreciated but we suck it up, and we all make way less than $9m per year.
Honestly, your posts make you seem like a little kid with no understanding of the realworld who can't figure out why his favorite player was traded.

wow I touched a nerve with you haven't I? there's no point for me to respond to your comments because I could care less about you opinion honestly. Your just a typical low life with no morals or class.. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand loyalty... yes it's a business but how do you figure in your warped little head that Moss was under performing? just the season before he had over 1,200 yards and 13 TD'S!!! the 13 td's led the NFL by the way kid! And you can't blame 9 catches in four games on him if he wasn't even thrown too lol. People like you make me wonder just how many people with common sense are even out there. The Patriots owner Bob Kraft is a cheap skate disloyal ass period! he has a history of screwing over players and last I checked the Pats haven't won a SB in over five years... so their not that smart.oh yeah and 51 games/50 td's... and somehow your saying he's to old now and wouldn't be a wise investment??? but somehow an even older Deion Branch was a good pickup??? you're a patriots fan I know, and i don't hate the Pats in general, but they could have showed a little respect to a player that busted his butt for them for over 3 years!!!! point blank is this... your team had its best season EVER with Moss a part of it and it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how big an impact Randy made for them. so for you to try and write him off as a talent shows how ignorant you are. know your football before you come at me next time and dont think that owning your own little card business means your important. take care

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[Card Magnet]

Since this seems to be the Randy Moss discussion thread...

Randy Moss wins the Moron of the Week Award for his "press conference". I don't even know the guy (obviously), and even I felt embarrassed for him. Not only did he have his nose so far up Belichick's rear that he could smell what he had for dinner, but he also helped to alienate himself from his new team. If he loved the Pats so much, I've got to wonder why he kind of put himself in a position where he wouldn't be one anymore.


I really wonder how much better he could have been if he didn't half ass it on the field as much and didn't pull crap like that interview. He could have rivaled Jerry Rice for every receiving record by the end of his career if he didn't flat out quit playing like he has/does/will do. At least he's not slacking as much as the Raiders days. That was just a damn shame.

 

[benmoss84]

Since this seems to be the Randy Moss discussion thread...

Randy Moss wins the Moron of the Week Award for his "press conference". I don't even know the guy (obviously), and even I felt embarrassed for him. Not only did he have his nose so far up Belichick's rear that he could smell what he had for dinner, but he also helped to alienate himself from his new team. If he loved the Pats so much, I've got to wonder why he kind of put himself in a position where he wouldn't be one anymore.


I really wonder how much better he could have been if he didn't half ass it on the field as much and didn't pull crap like that interview. He could have rivaled Jerry Rice for every receiving record by the end of his career if he didn't flat out quit playing like he has/does/will do. At least he's not slacking as much as the Raiders days. That was just a damn shame.

yeah he seems to always wear his emotions on his sleeve, but even still he's a hall of famer and will come awful close to many of Rice's important records if he doesn't actually break them. i'll always respect him for being himself though and not sugar coating it like Rice did/does.. Jerry is an arrogant ***** in real life and really is his own biggest fan..

 

[lumm0x]

The "Moss colored glasses" are really thick I see.

K&K hit the nail on the head.

 

[benmoss84]

Yup loyal fan here... These glasses are not ever coming off either! Loyalty is something some of you wouldn't know about!

 

[wheeler281]

Just a little too much man love for Randys jock?

 

[Slette]

Yup loyal fan here... These glasses are not ever coming off either! Loyalty is something some of you wouldn't know about!

Wow, way to make friends... show up new at a site, and tell the other users that they don't know anything about loyalty. If you would take the time to read through the posts, you would see that most of us are loyal to a fault with our teams/players. You would also see that we're, for the most part, reasonable and can admit when those we cheer for don't do the right thing, perform to their capabilities, or flat-out **** the bed.

Your fandom for Moss should be applauded - you have some great cards of his. But you also need to realize that not everything he does is perfect, and don't get worked up when someone disagrees with your opinion of your favorite player, who is as polarizing as he is talented.

 

[mstng99tim]

Yup loyal fan here... These glasses are not ever coming off either! Loyalty is something some of you wouldn't know about!

And this is based on what???

 

[wheeler281]

Yup loyal fan here... These glasses are not ever coming off either! Loyalty is something some of you wouldn't know about!

And this is based on what???

All 2 cards he has of Moss

http://s786.photobucket.com/albums/yy149/benmoss81/

 

[benmoss84]

Yup loyal fan here... These glasses are not ever coming off either! Loyalty is something some of you wouldn't know about!

Wow, way to make friends... show up new at a site, and tell the other users that they don't know anything about loyalty. If you would take the time to read through the posts, you would see that most of us are loyal to a fault with our teams/players. You would also see that we're, for the most part, reasonable and can admit when those we cheer for don't do the right thing, perform to their capabilities, or flat-out shat the bed.

Your fandom for Moss should be applauded - you have some great cards of his. But you also need to realize that not everything he does is perfect, and don't get worked up when someone disagrees with your opinion of your favorite player, who is as polarizing as he is talented.

Yeah I hear you. Obviously I can't defend some of the things Moss does... But hey he's a different kind of guy and is pretty emotional sometimes! We're all different. Yeah I agree that he doesnt give it his all sometimes, but that's mainly because he's the kind of guy who wants to feel wanted somewhere. Either way though it's not like he's "dogged" it his whole career because if that's the case how do you explain 948 rec, 14,000 yards, and 154 td's in 13 seasons?

 

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[benmoss84]

Yup loyal fan here... These glasses are not ever coming off either! Loyalty is something some of you wouldn't know about!

And this is based on what???

It's based on how most fans prove their disloyalty when after a player who busted their butt for them is traded by the OWNER and then when they come back their jeered lol! Being loyal to a team isn't me because ownership doesn't care about the fans and it's all about money for them! And SOME fans don't get it and just feed the troll that is the marketing machine! True player collectors/fans are loyal to their guy because they are in the boat like most of us... Working for a living and not just sit around counting money made off of others blood, sweat, and tears!

 

[benmoss84]

Yup loyal fan here... These glasses are not ever coming off either! Loyalty is something some of you wouldn't know about!

And this is based on what???

All 2 cards he has of Moss

http://s786.photobucket.com/albums/yy149/benmoss81/

Haha very funny... I'm sure those two cards are worth more than 100 of yours combined. Don't take low blows like that kid, have some respect.

 

[wheeler281]

Yup loyal fan here... These glasses are not ever coming off either! Loyalty is something some of you wouldn't know about!

And this is based on what???

All 2 cards he has of Moss

http://s786.photobucket.com/albums/yy149/benmoss81/

Haha very funny... I'm sure those two cards are worth more than 100 of yours combined. Don't take low blows like that kid, have some respect.

I am up for that vote

Such a loyal guy I wold have expected much more with your huuuuuuuuuge Moss loyalty. Lip service seems something you are good at. :twisted:

 

[mstng99tim]

Yup loyal fan here... These glasses are not ever coming off either! Loyalty is something some of you wouldn't know about!

And this is based on what???

It's based on how most fans prove their disloyalty when after a player who busted their butt for them is traded by the OWNER and then when they come back their jeered lol! Being loyal to a team isn't me because ownership doesn't care about the fans and it's all about money for them! And SOME fans don't get it and just feed the troll that is the marketing machine! True player collectors/fans are loyal to their guy because they are in the boat like most of us... Working for a living and not just sit around counting money made off of others blood, sweat, and tears!

But you said, "some of you"...who exactly were you talking about???

Yup loyal fan here... These glasses are not ever coming off either! Loyalty is something some of you wouldn't know about!

And this is based on what???

All 2 cards he has of Moss

http://s786.photobucket.com/albums/yy149/benmoss81/

Haha very funny... I'm sure those two cards are worth more than 100 of yours combined. Don't take low blows like that kid, have some respect.

DUDE, trust me, don't go there!!! You're about to go into a fight straped up in a straight jacket.

 

[Slette]

Yup loyal fan here... These glasses are not ever coming off either! Loyalty is something some of you wouldn't know about!

And this is based on what???

All 2 cards he has of Moss

http://s786.photobucket.com/albums/yy149/benmoss81/

Haha very funny... I'm sure those two cards are worth more than 100 of yours combined. Don't take low blows like that kid, have some respect.

Ummm, no they aren't. And I'm not knocking your two cards, either.

 

[KandKCards]

[quote="benmoss84":2icg3ctb][quote="KandKCards":2icg3ctb]I'm not a homer because I'm a Pats fan and loved him when he was here, but take off the Moss-colored glasses. He gave up on the long ball that he should've caught, regardless of whether there was a penalty or not. He ruined a great Pats win in week 1 by talking about his contract in his presser rather than the game. No matter how you spin it, Moss isn't a team guy. Never was, never will be. There's nothing wrong with that; you are what you are.
I'm not sure I agree with the fact that Moss is being misused, but I definitely agree with the fact that Childress is an atrocious coach. But, the ball should be in APs hands more than anyone else's. He's the best RB in the league, and the QB is a turnover machine.

well maybe you're right... but I kinda don't blame him for not being a team guy since the Patriots proved how disloyal they were to him. The man re-structured his contract to play with them in 2007 and turned down an even larger contract from Philly to re-sign with them in 2008! So all he asked for was some appreciation! In 51 games with the Pats he caught 50 TD'S!!!!!! I think THAT deserved some appreciation$$$$ don't you?

At the end of the day owners and coaches have no loyalty, so why should Moss go out of his way to be a "team guy" when it's not appreciated? When he was blinded to believe the organization did care about him then he played better, like in 2008 after Brady went down i'm sure the haters figured he'd tank (especially after having a brand new contract) but he didn't! Moss is a special and rare type of person, he demands loyalty and respect and if he doesn't get it he shows his displeasure!

He had to restructure in 07 because no one else wanted him. He stuck in 08 because it was the best place for him. He still made $9m per year in that deal, hardly chump change. And the job of owners and coaches is to win games and make money. Signing a 33 year old receiver with 9 catches through 4 games to a long term deal is not a good investment, nothing to do with loyalty. And why should Moss be a team guy? Because that's the way the world works. We all have jobs where we are under appreciated but we suck it up, and we all make way less than $9m per year.
Honestly, your posts make you seem like a little kid with no understanding of the realworld who can't figure out why his favorite player was traded.

wow I touched a nerve with you haven't I? there's no point for me to respond to your comments because I could care less about you opinion honestly. Your just a typical low life with no morals or class.. I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand loyalty... yes it's a business but how do you figure in your warped little head that Moss was under performing? just the season before he had over 1,200 yards and 13 TD'S!!! the 13 td's led the NFL by the way kid! And you can't blame 9 catches in four games on him if he wasn't even thrown too lol. People like you make me wonder just how many people with common sense are even out there. The Patriots owner Bob Kraft is a cheap skate disloyal ass period! he has a history of screwing over players and last I checked the Pats haven't won a SB in over five years... so their not that smart.oh yeah and 51 games/50 td's... and somehow your saying he's to old now and wouldn't be a wise investment??? but somehow an even older Deion Branch was a good pickup??? you're a patriots fan I know, and i don't hate the Pats in general, but they could have showed a little respect to a player that busted his butt for them for over 3 years!!!! point blank is this... your team had its best season EVER with Moss a part of it and it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how big an impact Randy made for them. so for you to try and write him off as a talent shows how ignorant you are. know your football before you come at me next time and dont think that owning your own little card business means your important. take care

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No need to respond yet you write 15 lines? Hmm. Moss has been targeted 47 times with only 22 catches. Still think the ball isn't being thrown his way?
Seems like you don't understand the difference between being cheap and spending intelligently. The Patriots pay the bottom half of their roster better than any team in the league. They consistently pay their practice squad players above the league average, and pay their bottom 10 players better than anyone. In other words, they recognize the value of the bottom of the roster. Injuries happen in the NFL, and depth is crucial. Their focus on depth is why they beat the Dolphins with huge ST plays, why they have 2 kick return TDs and why they are 6-1 after losing starters like Ty Warren, Logan Mankins and Leigh Bodden. Please name me a time when the Pats haven't spent to the salary cap. Please point to a QB that has a bigger contract than Tom Brady. Please point to a DL not named Haynesworth who makes more than Vince Wilfork. Deion Branch was a good pickup because he restructured and isn't making anything near the $9M Moss was making. It's VALUE, not cheapness.
Can you please explain to me the purpose of a salary? Is it to pay for performance that you expect, or is it to reward players for past performance? Every salary is an investment, meaning the organization is paying in order to get something in return. Yes, Moss was great in the time he was here. But why would you pay him more if you aren't getting anything out of it? Don't quote his past performances to me; I know all the numbers. They are meaningless. The whole world (other than you, apparently) knows his performance is going down. The NFL isn't a charity; they aren't going to pay just because a guy lived up to his previous deal.
How would you project Moss' stats over the next 4 years?