sneak preview.... 2011 LEAF VALIANT ICHIRO ON-CARD AUTOGRAPH

[ThoseBackPages]

Brian's company is Leaf. To view Leaf now using older Leaf styles and similar styles in a negative light is just plain asinine. It's ridiculous. Leaf was bought for the name and they have every right to use retro Leaf styles, they PAID for it. I can't understand for the life of me why this is an issue for some people. It's completely petty and absurd for this to even be an issue.

Once again, read what I wrote. I have no problem with him using what he paid for. He has every right to use the name/design/whatever of the Leaf brand.

My problem isn't with Brian/Leaf, it's the blind praise given to him by people on this board for everything he does.

If he puts out a new set of his own, and it's good, then so be it. I'd probably buy some.

If he puts out a rehashed set of someone else's previous work and calls it his own, then that's exactly what it is, and shouldn't be praised like the second coming of baseball cards.

not for nothing, but i think that the majority of people here **** on Brian any chance they get.

So what these look like Crusades? How many people here actually own Crusades? 10% of the people pissing and moaning about it?

 

[sportscardtheory]

People liking a product or company isn't "blind". They like it for their own reasons and it's none of anyone else's business. What's "blind" is disliking a product or company based on the fact that other people like it. THAT'S blind. Say what you will about the design. If you don't like it, so be it. Don't buy it. But deriding others for liking it is completely absurd.

 

[Jaypers]

My problem isn't with Brian/Leaf, it's the blind praise given to him by people on this board for everything he does.

When products containing Crusades first released, people were buying them because they included big names, looked great and were extremely tough to pull (I personally busted a ton and never pulled one). Prospects weren't in the equation, and no one seemed to mind they weren't autographed.

Today, we'll have a product where odds won't be a factor (even though they'll be in shorter supply), look similiar and will once again contain big names, this time for this era. And autographed, to boot.

I guess I'm blind, because I can't seem to locate the downside.

 

[notjomommasclint]

Miggy,

It is not just a design issue. This is a technology... To recreate this "finish" and "feel" is very difficult.

As someone who actually makes cards, trust me... Its technology ..
BG

Ps- design is only a tiny piece of the puzzle..

good thing someone else solved that puzzle.

producing what the collector wants is awesome... but why not use your creativity to produce a line that hasnt been made before? and you cant say 90% of the stuff out there is scholck because as much as you think you are just a collector you are part of the machine. you have the power and ability to produce and make a difference and you put something out thats not new, not fresh, not even creative... just something recycled to drive profit! how are you different than topps? no redemptions?

 

[Jaypers]

how are you different than topps? no redemptions?

You mean, besides the fact he posts on here, answers questions, gives out free prizes, and accepts and implements suggestions, while the other companies won't?

 

[Big Mac McGwire]

No MLB logos, I would just use shots of him sliding, running to first or hatless.

With Topps having exclusive rights for logos it really does detract from cards like this.
They are all to reminiscent of the post serial issues .

Still very nice though

 

[hofautos]

, but he isn't marketing it as a Crusade flashback, or anything like that..

Huh? it seems pretty obvious that he is doing EXACTLY that. Why do you say he isn't?
Although i personally would have preferred if he used the exact same design than modifying it slightly.

Just like the topps fan favorites look "similar" to original design, but not the same. Collectors prefer it if they use the same design like the 2001 topps archives or heritage than the simlar design like the topps fan favorites. both are usually successful, but the ones that have the same design are always preferred.

No he is not. He's using the popularity of Crusades to sell his own set. He's not calling this set Crusades. He's calling it Valiant using another set's design.
He hasn't done an original idea IN BASEBALL yet, but everyone wants to bow down to him as the Next Big Thing in baseball cards. Whether it's because he's a board member, or they actually know him, or just that they want someone/anyone to challenge Topps.


The constant praising of Brian for his product, just because of who he is, is astounding.
I'm not a hater of Brian or Leaf. If he wants to ride on the coattails of what others have done already and make a boatload of money in the process, so be it. He apparently has a board full of members here who will buy it. I'm more a "hater" of the board-wide praise for someone who hasn't shown anything of his own yet.

I'm all for something new, I'd love for Brian to put something "new and innovative" out. If it was good, I'd probably pick some up. But he hasn't yet. He's copied/re-sold what has worked before from other people, plain and simple.

It just goes to show different strokes for different folks.
To me, most new designs look like garbage. I would rather have remakes of classic sets than new garbage.
As far as not being a hater, what is the purpose of your statement about him making a boatload of money all about. Sure sounds like hate and envy to me.
If you don't like something why don't you just offer your own advice of what you would like instead of being negative?
BTW, what "new" product has come out that you like? I haven't seen ANY new product in a long time that I really like. Even this product, i said i would prefer if it looked closer to the original product, but the on-card auto part of it is nice. If it had a silver sticker on it, i would SLAM it though.

 

[Guest]

Only nice thing is the plate auto

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

There are so many sets out there that its tough to come out with anything really original, although these look nice.

But regardless of one's feelings about remakes its fair to say that they take away some of the luster and popularity from the original set, simply because there are more different cards with that design now.

It just goes to show different strokes for different folks.
To me, most new designs look like garbage. I would rather have remakes of classic sets than new garbage.
As far as not being a hater, what is the purpose of your statement about him making a boatload of money all about. Sure sounds like hate and envy to me.
If you don't like something why don't you just offer your own advice of what you would like instead of being negative?
BTW, what "new" product has come out that you like? I haven't seen ANY new product in a long time that I really like. Even this product, i said i would prefer if it looked closer to the original product, but the on-card auto part of it is nice. If it had a silver sticker on it, i would SLAM it though.

 

[tunahead]

Why are you so emotional over this? Why do you care? If some people like this, so be it, let them like it. To continually keep ripping on it makes it sound like you've got a personal vendetta against Leaf.

If people would actually read what is written, instead of what is locked in their head, it would be wonderful.

I said, I have no problem with Brian or Leaf. I was looking forward to his new sets. Then they show up, and they are just rehashed designs of old stuff that's been done.

I know people will buy it. That's fine. I will buy something of his too, when he comes out with something of his own doing.

My problem is with the blind praise thrown around by the sheep on this board for someone who hasn't proven anything in the BASEBALL CARD market yet.

This is seriously one of the most idiotic posts I've ever read... so since some people like this set, whether or not it's a rehashed design makes them blind or sheep? So what do you think of the people that buy Heritage and Ginter? You just make yourself look like an idiot when you post crap like this. Let people buy and collect what they want to collect and stop acting holier than thou. By the way, I have no interest in this product and won't be buying any, but only because I don't buy most new stuff that is released.

 

[tikitomoka]

Brian's company is Leaf. To view Leaf now using older Leaf styles and similar styles in a negative light is just plain asinine. It's ridiculous. Leaf was bought for the name and they have every right to use retro Leaf styles, they PAID for it. I can't understand for the life of me why this is an issue for some people. It's completely petty and absurd for this to even be an issue.

Once again, read what I wrote. I have no problem with him using what he paid for. He has every right to use the name/design/whatever of the Leaf brand.

My problem isn't with Brian/Leaf, it's the blind praise given to him by people on this board for everything he does.

If he puts out a new set of his own, and it's good, then so be it. I'd probably buy some.

If he puts out a rehashed set of someone else's previous work and calls it his own, then that's exactly what it is, and shouldn't be praised like the second coming of baseball cards.

similar to how the same people blindly attack bg and leaf products in every thread?

 

[hofautos]

There are so many sets out there that its tough to come out with anything really original, although these look nice.

But regardless of one's feelings about remakes its fair to say that they take away some of the luster and popularity from the original set, simply because there are more different cards with that design now.

I agree with your first statement but disagree with your second statement.
There really isn't a LOT you can do with a card design, especially if you use the standard card size.
90% of all cards have a picture of the player with slightly different fonts and borders. Look at bowman chrome, same crap year over year. Really the only way can really change the design much is to change the backgound, and even then you don't have a lot of room to work with.

As far as the original design when copied losing it's luster for classic sets, I totally disagree. The fact that it is classic enough for someone to reprint it, to me, actually adds to the original luster. It shows that it was so popular that it is worth reprinting, and in my mind actually makes the original design more well known, and more desirable...just one example is A&G...many young collectors probably never gave A&G much thought before it was reintroduced..i truly don't think it is any less lustrious just because topps came out with a remake. I would agree though, that to keep reusing the same classic sets takes away from the original remake, but not the original itself.

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

There are so many sets out there that its tough to come out with anything really original, although these look nice.

But regardless of one's feelings about remakes its fair to say that they take away some of the luster and popularity from the original set, simply because there are more different cards with that design now.

I agree with your first statement but disagree with your second statement.
There really isn't a LOT you can do with a card design, especially if you use the standard card size.
90% of all cards have a picture of the player with slightly different fonts and borders. Look at bowman chrome, same crap year over year. Really the only way can really change the design much is to change the backgound, and even then you don't have a lot of room to work with.

As far as the original design when copied losing it's luster for classic sets, I totally disagree. The fact that it is classic enough for someone to reprint it, to me, actually adds to the original luster. It shows that it was so popular that it is worth reprinting, and in my mind actually makes the original design more well known, and more desirable...just one example is A&G...many young collectors probably never gave A&G much thought before it was reintroduced..i truly don't think it is any less lustrious just because topps came out with a remake. I would agree though, that to keep reusing the same classic sets takes away from the original remake, but not the original itself.

I see where you're coming from. I guess I tend to look at it like the second or third printing of a book - doesn't mean the book isn't a good read though.

 

[ChasHawk]

Why do people get so bent out of shape whenever Brian/Leaf/Razor is involved. lol It's like they go out of their way to be grumpy, snarky, piss-pots. You don't like the design as much as the '98 Crusades. So what. I mean really. SO WHAT. The pessimism is just SO very needless. ::facepalm::

so is your ****** attitude about EVERYTHING

I gave MY opinion. I don't give a **** about yours, and don't care how you feel about mine.

Thank you for your time

 

[ChasHawk]

Why are you so emotional over this? Why do you care? If some people like this, so be it, let them like it. To continually keep ripping on it makes it sound like you've got a personal vendetta against Leaf.

1. I don't see how he was being "emotional"

2. And by your very rational, why do you care that he doesn't like it? To continually rip on the people who don't like it, makes it sound like you have a personal interest in the product.

 

[Casebusters]

 

[notjomommasclint]

how are you different than topps? no redemptions?

You mean, besides the fact he posts on here, answers questions, gives out free prizes, and accepts and implements suggestions, while the other companies won't?

how is that working out for him 98% of the time? all the threads end the same way. 1/2 bashing 1/2 fluffing... there is a reason the other companies stay back. its not because they hate their customers or because they dont value us... its because they know not much good comes from it.

i appreciate the fact that he communicates with the board. i truly do but lets be honest sometimes it does more harm than good.

everyone can spend their money on whatever they want... and leaf has a nice following. so im not saying that anyone should care what i think but in a industry where creativity is dead... coming out and telling me you are different doesnt make it so. if you want me to treat you different you need to come to the wood and put out a product that IS DIFFERENT. being better at customer service doesnt make your product better.

it is what it is. i should probably stop posting in these threads because i sound so negative and they read like i am a rambling hate monger.

 

[Jaypers]

how is that working out for him 98% of the time? all the threads end the same way. 1/2 bashing 1/2 fluffing... there is a reason the other companies stay back. its not because they hate their customers or because they dont value us... its because they know not much good comes from it.

If the only two options for a card company representative with respect to FCB are - 1) post and get bashed/praised while accepting suggestions for future products or 2) don't post, get bashed/praised anyway and not listen to suggestions, I'll take Option # 1.

Maybe I'm the minority.

 

[sneekc]

Miggy,

It is not just a design issue. This is a technology... To recreate this "finish" and "feel" is very difficult.

As someone who actually makes cards, trust me... Its technology ..
BG

Ps- design is only a tiny piece of the puzzle..

Brian,
Are these printed 4 color process and utilize a cold foil equipped press? Maybe with a mirafoil coating?
Printed in the USA? Just curious.

for anyone curious, this is technology of printing at it's finest. These kinds of projects don't get more complicated.

 

[notjomommasclint]

how is that working out for him 98% of the time? all the threads end the same way. 1/2 bashing 1/2 fluffing... there is a reason the other companies stay back. its not because they hate their customers or because they dont value us... its because they know not much good comes from it.

If the only two options for a card company representative with respect to FCB are - 1) post and get bashed/praised while accepting suggestions for future products or 2) don't post, get bashed/praised anyway and not listen to suggestions, I'll take Option # 1.

Maybe I'm the minority.

Fair enough. The beauty is your money your collection.

In my opinion celebrating a new product that is someone elses concept isnt something I do. Either way have a delightful weekend.