soo has anybody noticed evan longoria

[cowboysrule48]

I don't get how anyone can say defense doesn't matter when comparing players.

 

[ThoseBackPages]

you just hate your team. pack it up E and find someone else to root for. Be an O's fan, you know you wanna.

Half a dozen years ago i was as big a David Wright fan as you'd find.

Now? not so much. As a Mets fan, i am tired of him sprinkling singles all over the field.
He's more concerned about his pretty face than he is about baseball.

i understand Home Runs are not EVERYTHING, but he has EIGHT (8) this entire SEASON,
that is a joke and a half.

At work, we have the "+/-" game. Every time someone hits a HR (not the elite HR hitters mind you)
we yell out "+2" if that player has hit his 10th, meaning that he has 2 more than David White

i hate the way my team is run, thats for sure

 

[markakis8]

you want melvin mora back? we'll take david wright. i'll tell you what...

Melvin Mora, Billy Rowell, Jason Berken, and some baseballs for David Wright.

i hate the way my team is run, thats for sure

 

[ThoseBackPages]

you want melvin mora back? we'll take david wright. i'll tell you what...

Melvin Mora, Billy Rowell, Jason Berken, and some baseballs for David Wright.

i hate the way my team is run, thats for sure

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[KOBEARODLT]

I don't get how anyone can say defense doesn't matter when comparing players.

defense is huge when comparing players...but is it a big enough factor to say longo is a top player while hitting 267

 

[andyduke86]

I don't get how anyone can say defense doesn't matter when comparing players.

defense is huge when comparing players...but is it a big enough factor to say longo is a top player while hitting 267

LOL

On base percentage is much more significant than average. Defense is just as important. Every base hit taken away (over what an average defender would make) in the field is as valuable as a hit at the plate. Obviously both of these concepts are well over your head.

 

[KOBEARODLT]

I don't get how anyone can say defense doesn't matter when comparing players.

defense is huge when comparing players...but is it a big enough factor to say longo is a top player while hitting 267

LOL

On base percentage is much more significant than average. Defense is just as important. Every base hit taken away (over what an average defender would make) in the field is as valuable as a hit at the plate. Obviously both of these concepts are well over your head.

no not over my head at all know it all, what was over my head was the fact that people were paying 200 plus for base chrome autos of this kid...

 

[pujolsjunkie]

I don't get how anyone can say defense doesn't matter when comparing players.

defense is huge when comparing players...but is it a big enough factor to say longo is a top player while hitting 267

LOL

On base percentage is much more significant than average. Defense is just as important. Every base hit taken away (over what an average defender would make) in the field is as valuable as a hit at the plate. Obviously both of these concepts are well over your head.

OBP is more significant, but it isn't like his 36th best in the AL OBP, which you cited earlier, is something amazing.

 

[pujolsjunkie]

Anyway, I've never been a big Longoria guy...I just don't enjoy watching him. His approach is to pull everything and that just doesn't work for long. He just needs to make adjustments and he'll be back to his slugging ways. There really is no reason for his cards to be worth so much more than most, because he is not that special player that he seems to be perceived as. I just think he's a .270-30-100 guy with good defense, and that's very valuable, just like Scott Rolen was very valuable. I just don't get the love affair with him.

 

[Lars]

Longoria's hype came from the fact he was the No. 3 overall selection back in 2006 and became the face of the franchise as a rookie in 2008 - during the Tampa Bay Rays improbable, but impressive run to the World Series.

He has struggled mightly in the second half of the season - but he is a very good player - just a notch below being a superstar however.

He seems like a streaky hitter and while he seems pretty complete as a hitter, there are holes in his swing pitchers have exploited.

He isn't suffering from a Sophomore Jinx, but maybe things just came too fast for him in 2008 and 2009 is where he kind of figures out how to play every day, battle through slumps, et al.

 

[FromKoufaxtoEdwin]

AndyDuke, your cause is a noble one in trying to spread statistical information to the masses, but the truth is that most people dont understand any of it or really just dont care. There is so much information out there that shows why batting average is an awful way of judging a player and we are heading towards reliably quantifying defense. Most fans have stuff such as batting average and fielding percentage drilled into their heads at an early age, and its really hard to get away from that mindset.

People arguing against Longoria dont realize how much of an impact he has defensively, nor will they believe it when shown the facts. But, just for fun, Longo is worth almost 1.5 wins according to UZR and almost 2 wins according to FRAA. Basically, the guy is an absolutely elite defender at a premium position, which catapults his value over guys like Ryan Braun (who is a negative fielder at one of the 2 least demanding positions on the field), Mark Reynolds (who has had a superior offensive year, but grades out very poorly with the glove), and Miguel Cabrera (due to his average play at the easiest position on the diamond). Here is a list of the most valuable players so far this year:
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... 09&month=0

Basically, Longoria is a stud, but not as much this year in the traditional "statistics". He hasnt had a great offensive year, but he is still an above average offensive player and a stud defender. That combines to create a top 10-15 player in the game year in and year out.

 

[mlbsalltimegreats]

AndyDuke, your cause is a noble one in trying to spread statistical information to the masses, but the truth is that most people dont understand any of it or really just dont care. There is so much information out there that shows why batting average is an awful way of judging a player and we are heading towards reliably quantifying defense. Most fans have stuff such as batting average and fielding percentage drilled into their heads at an early age, and its really hard to get away from that mindset.

People arguing against Longoria dont realize how much of an impact he has defensively, nor will they believe it when shown the facts. But, just for fun, Longo is worth almost 1.5 wins according to UZR and almost 2 wins according to FRAA. Basically, the guy is an absolutely elite defender at a premium position, which catapults his value over guys like Ryan Braun (who is a negative fielder at one of the 2 least demanding positions on the field), Mark Reynolds (who has had a superior offensive year, but grades out very poorly with the glove), and Miguel Cabrera (due to his average play at the easiest position on the diamond). Here is a list of the most valuable players so far this year:
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... 09&month=0

Basically, Longoria is a stud, but not as much this year in the traditional "statistics". He hasnt had a great offensive year, but he is still an above average offensive player and a stud defender. That combines to create a top 10-15 player in the game year in and year out.

Thats Me !

 

[darocker80]

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090728&content_id=6106186&vkey=news_tb&fext=.jsp&c_id=tb

Interesting article.

EDIT: Also about naming players better than longoria...

I know this is his first year (but has almost the same experience as longo) but after today his stats:

.338 AVG (second in NL)
37 Doubles
21 Home Runs
75 RBI (On Giants)
.568 Slugging
.953 OPS

And has 1 less SB has longo

And despite what you think of his size, if you have been watching him everyday, he is an above average fielder who can make remarkable plays and has a gun of an arm.

Not saying he is better than longo, but just keep your eyes on him this and next season.

 

[darocker80]

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[quote="Jays_Cards":1v03t996]

[quote="boomo":1v03t996][quote="jbone17":1v03t996]One slump and the guy is to the back of the bus lol? Give me a break.... :lol:

one slump? the guy has been sucking since may.
right now, easily the most overrated player in baseball

Hes not taking that crown from David Wright quite yet

I know the Mets are absolutely awful, but come on, Wright is easily one of the best players in baseball.

idk if i could put wright in that category as one of the best in baseball but he is better than longoria

I can only think of 3 players better...[/quote:1v03t996]

Look past his empty batting average.[/quote:1v03t996]

Look past HRs in a mammoth stadium. Honestly, I would give anything to have David Wright on my team. There is nothing that he does not do well.[/quote:1v03t996]


Its really not a mammoth stadium.Other teams have no problem hitting hrs there.The Mets are the only team that have a problem hitting them here.He fields decently(vastly overrated defensively)He runs the bases well and hits a lot of singles.[/quote:1v03t996]
Haha even a couple giants hit some bombs there in their series lol.

 

[Big Mac McGwire]

pujols
braun
hanley
ichiro
arod
manny
prince
mauer
morneau
miguel cabrera
teixera
damon
utley
howard
wright

im taking all these guys before longoria and thats just off the top of my head, im sure i could get up to 20 guys if i really tried

Longoria is slumping yes. But Johnny "Im one of the worst defensive fielding outfielders in the league?? Come on man. THis is longoria's second year.He is duplicating and will pass Last years totals. There will ne NO sophomore slump. Like it or not his is only 24. And he will be a star for years to come. Right now a little overrated yes? yes. Ill give you that. But he is one in the top 15 best playes in the league. His defensive is underrated. And i will take him over David Wright any day of the week. CARLOS ZAMBRANO almost has more HR's then Wright. 3B is supposed one of the power positions on the team. David Wright is playing like a 2nd tier 2B. Ill take Jason Bartlett over David Wright this year. And your list makes no sense and is worthless if you think Derek Jeter is not one of top players in the league. Your list is bogus soley based on that.

 

[allstars]

I don't get how anyone can say defense doesn't matter when comparing players.

defense is huge when comparing players...but is it a big enough factor to say longo is a top player while hitting 267

LOL

On base percentage is much more significant than average. Defense is just as important. Every base hit taken away (over what an average defender would make) in the field is as valuable as a hit at the plate. Obviously both of these concepts are well over your head.

OBP is more significant, but it isn't like his 36th best in the AL OBP, which you cited earlier, is something amazing.

Longoria is awesome. All great hitters go through streaks where no matter how well they're making contact, they just keep hitting the ball at the opposing defensive players.

 

[Big Mac McGwire]

let me remind you the genius who put this list together did not include derek jeter. Nuff said.