Texas Girls Team was Game 100-0...and has to Apologize!

[wideright]

No, I did mean secular, defined as I know it to mean schools that are religiously-neutral, or public schools. I would consider non-secular as schools based on a religious denomination of some sort. I apologize if those are incorrect definitions. That's just how I've always referred to them.

I think you have it right, my dad always yelled at us for listening to "secular music". :lol: No seriously.

LOL My parents used the same term!!

 

[predatorkj]

[quote="Jays_Cards":30nwvmhp]sports are about competing..You dont want to compete, dont play. All this PC nonsense is exactly what is wrong with our country.

This has nothing to do with PC, this has to do with sportsmanship. Every sport has some unwritten rules in it about doing this type of stuff. Dont steal bases in late innings when you're up by alot, dont pass in the last few minutes if you're up by a few touchdowns.

I agree with Jays cards.If I was on a team and the coach told us to take it easy...I'd quit in a heart beat.We played several inner city schools for baseball when I was in high school and they would forfeit after two innings because we would be up 20 runs to none.This happened in about 5 or so games a year but they were in our division and on our schedule.Did we feel bad?Not a bit.If they didn't want to get their butts beat...learn how to do more than walk around in your air Jordan's and look cool.If not...were going full throttle till the games over every game end of story.Its not unsportman like.Its called being competitive.If you feel your team can't compete then do not schedule games against schools who can.Don't waste their time.If you do...your a fool if you get upset about it.

And some of the things mentioned about not stealing bases in late innings or not passing when your ahead a few touchdowns...thats how games are lost.

My wife is the assistant coach on the 2 ranked Class 5 team (14-2) in the state of Missouri and the head coach is in his first year. He coached college ball last year and won the coach of the year award in their division.

They've absolutely destroyed teams and could have easily scored 100 points against several of thier oponents (They've gone over 80 once). They've avoided this by not pressing and playing some JV players and the bench players later in the games.

Judging by your response, you wouldn't feel that they competed correctly.

If you put in subs and backups thats one thing but to tell your players ,whoever they may be, actually playing the game to slacken up is wrong.But hey...its just my opinion.Besides...your wife is a coach.Not me.What she chooses to do is her own business.I don't think many people would like me as a coach.My attitude would be to push as hard and far as you could every game but I guess thats just because thats how my coaches in high school taught me.But trust me...we got blown out.But that was just motivation.Some people cannot handle it though I suppose.

100% of HS coaches would disagree with you as far as running up the score goes. 99.9% of all coaches would practice in the same manner that my wife's team operates.

We run ruled teams in HS...that is what the run rule is for.
In HS basketball, all you have it the continuously running clock. If you are blowing a team out of the water and you are still pressing and shooting 3's then you are a bad sport.[/quote:30nwvmhp]

Hey...everybody is different I suppose.I still feel the same though.Full throttle or not at all.But hey...I get friends mad at me because of this same attitude.I almost lost a friend one night due to a basketball game.He said I was trying way too hard.I told him thats just how I am.Luckily he chilled out and were still friends but hey...he kicks my rear end at pool big time.And I never get upset about it.Everybody is good at something.

 

[hive17]

"The school has only 20 girls...", then why put together a team if youre going to try and make teams who beat you apologize and forfeit wins..

That's the best point right there...

But was it the team that lost that is asking for the apology, or is it some PC thugs? ("Greasy thugs?")

I'll go read the article now to see if i can answer my own question.

 

[predatorkj]

If your going to use a disability as an excuse then do it.But don;t try to compete, get whipped , and then make excuses.Thats bad sportsmanship.

The team that scored 100 is the one's who are volunteering to forfeit and apologize. The other team has moved on and competed to the very end.

So lets not talk negatviely about the team that scored 0 and lost by 100.

Not really talking about them per se but just the fact that if your going to play in a league that may or may not cater to special needs...you need to be mindful of that.Playing and then making the excuse is something that would make me laugh.I am not saying the school who lost is making excuses at all though.This was more directed at those who tried to claim their disabilities were the reason behind the loss.

Their disabilities weren't associated with athleticism and they made no excuses. But the fact that they were a school that has about 20 girls and specializes in teaching LD students; you'd think the opposing coach wouldn't get his kicks through destroying them for 4 full quarters.

I'd hate to play against any team you coached.I made a pretty darn good point.Now we can sit here and debate about it until we are both old men or you can accept what I was saying and move on.I never said they made excuses for their loss.I said other people did.People on these boards did as well.I don't think you can do what this team did and then make an excuse for them.I am not saying the losing team made an excuse.


It actually saddens me to see so many people disagree with my idea of competition.All I can say is...I don't think any of you would have enjoyed playing with me or my teammates or the coaches I played for.It was always about trying to do your best and if you blew someone out...oh well.In football we actually tried to...gasp...hurt other people on other teams.I was prone to run full speed at someone and dive at their knee caps.I'd do it again in a heartbeat and I had it happen to me too so thats just how the crow flies.I never sat down and felt bad for my self.When we played other teams and lost 60 or so to nothing...we never felt sorry for ourselves.We played kids who went to better schools and had better training facilities and bigger and more athletic kids.Never did we make excuses.

 

[RL24]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=te ... 0&aq=f&oq=

Did a little more research, and found some gems...

“I think the bad judgment was in the full-court press and the 3-point shots,” said Renee Peloza, whose daughter plays for Dallas Academy. “At some point, they should have backed off.”

Well sure, her daughter played for the losers! They actually did back off...

Dallas Academy coach Jeremy Civello told The Dallas Morning News that the game turned into a “layup drill,” with the opposing team’s guards waiting to steal the ball and drive to the basket. Covenant scored 12 points in the fourth quarter and “finally eased up when they got to 100 with about four minutes left,” he said.

See?


So yeah, now I truly do believe it was an unsportsmanlike smashing.

 

[IndyManning18]

[youtube:1f40ar2d]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMk5sMHj58I[/youtube:1f40ar2d]

 

[predatorkj]

"The school has only 20 girls...", then why put together a team if youre going to try and make teams who beat you apologize and forfeit wins..

That's the best point right there...

But was it the team that lost that is asking for the apology, or is it some PC thugs? ("Greasy thugs?")

I'll go read the article now to see if i can answer my own question.

Nobody is forcing the apology but thats my whole point...its considered politically correct to kiss someone's rear because they are not as good as you in certain areas.I think very ill of this idea.In fact...I do agree this is why the country we live in today is full of wussy people.

 

[hive17]

We have to remember the Golden Rule: "Girls Basketball sucks!"

 

[predatorkj]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=texas+100-0&aq=f&oq=

Did a little more research, and found some gems...

“I think the bad judgment was in the full-court press and the 3-point shots,” said Renee Peloza, whose daughter plays for Dallas Academy. “At some point, they should have backed off.”

Well sure, her daughter played for the losers! They actually did back off...

[quote:3bxp4ibh]Dallas Academy coach Jeremy Civello told The Dallas Morning News that the game turned into a “layup drill,” with the opposing team’s guards waiting to steal the ball and drive to the basket. Covenant scored 12 points in the fourth quarter and “finally eased up when they got to 100 with about four minutes left,” he said.

See?


So yeah, now I truly do believe it was an unsportsmanlike smashing.[/quote:3bxp4ibh]


Hey...if they weren't good for a game at least the other team got in some good practice. :lol:

 

[predatorkj]

[youtube:164dqd9c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMk5sMHj58I[/youtube:164dqd9c]

Nice!

 

[predatorkj]

We have to remember the Golden Rule: "Girls Basketball sucks!"

Who posted the wnba basketball game from youtube a while back on the general chat boards?That was pretty funny.If you enjoy layups, passing, jump shots, and more lay ups you love this game! :lol:

 

[hive17]

We have to remember the Golden Rule: "Girls Basketball sucks!"

Who posted the wnba basketball game from youtube a while back on the general chat boards?That was pretty funny.If you enjoy layups, passing, jump shots, and more lay ups you love this game! :lol:

I almost died laughing when I saw that. If anyone can find the Paul Rieser Women's Final Four skit, that was as good. This was all I could find.

too funny.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

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It actually saddens me to see so many people disagree with my idea of competition.All I can say is...I don't think any of you would have enjoyed playing with me or my teammates or the coaches I played for.It was always about trying to do your best and if you blew someone out...oh well.In football we actually tried to...gasp...hurt other people on other teams.I was prone to run full speed at someone and dive at their knee caps.I'd do it again in a heartbeat and I had it happen to me too so thats just how the crow flies.I never sat down and felt bad for my self.When we played other teams and lost 60 or so to nothing...we never felt sorry for ourselves.We played kids who went to better schools and had better training facilities and bigger and more athletic kids.Never did we make excuses.

pred...while this probably doesn't come as a shock to anyone, but I was a highly competitive ***** when I played hockey, up until about 2 years ago. I've taken out players, taken out refs...it was complete mayhem, every game.

That said, what you are describing about this game is not about competition. The "competition" ended when the game started, so take the win and move on. This isn't about slowing down and potentially losing the game, judging by the end result here, there was no chance of that. None at all. There was no competition, there was no battle...a team laid down, and then basically ridiculed? Seriously?

But come on, you seriously believe that running a game to 100-0 is acceptable? Again, my senior year high school team won a first round playoff game 36-0, but only due to the opponents mouths and attitudes did our coach allow us to run up the score. We played in many blowouts and our coach (whom I respect incredibly) limited our shots, increased our passing, etc...to better ourselves.

It wasn't to "pity" the other team, it was about respect. It was about sportsmanship.

 

[justinmandawg]

So it makes sense for public schools and not "religious" schools? Or it applies to public schools and the non-secular schools tend to take care of it themselves type of situation?

No, I did mean secular, defined as I know it to mean schools that are religiously-neutral, or public schools. I would consider non-secular as schools based on a religious denomination of some sort. I apologize if those are incorrect definitions. That's just how I've always referred to them.

You mean non-secular? Trying to make sure I understand you correctly.

I am not at all throwing religion into this discussion, I'm only bringing it up because it was part of the article!! So don't flame me!

What ya'll are debating makes sense for secular schools. I have never heard of a regular public high school team being told to apologize for a lopsided win. It's unheard of.

This school is a private Christian school. If any of you have any experience with Christian schools, you know that the underlying philosophy is to do all things to the glory of God, including how you play sports. Don't get me wrong, sports teams train to win the games they play, but the kids are also taught to approach the game as they play it wiht the attitude of, would God be pleased with my performance? Or in this case, with the performance of my team?

Having been to Christian schools in my youth, I understand the reason why the head of the school is doing this. I disagree with it, because I think it will set a real bad taste in the mouths of the girls on his school's team. They will never approach playing sports the same again. And if we followed this story, I'll bet the coach and assistant coach disagree with it too.

The reason I'm writing this is because if you haven't had experience in Christian schools, then save your breath about debating something more important. Religion and sports is a tough mix.

 

[predatorkj]

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It actually saddens me to see so many people disagree with my idea of competition.All I can say is...I don't think any of you would have enjoyed playing with me or my teammates or the coaches I played for.It was always about trying to do your best and if you blew someone out...oh well.In football we actually tried to...gasp...hurt other people on other teams.I was prone to run full speed at someone and dive at their knee caps.I'd do it again in a heartbeat and I had it happen to me too so thats just how the crow flies.I never sat down and felt bad for my self.When we played other teams and lost 60 or so to nothing...we never felt sorry for ourselves.We played kids who went to better schools and had better training facilities and bigger and more athletic kids.Never did we make excuses.

pred...while this probably doesn't come as a shock to anyone, but I was a highly competitive ***** when I played hockey, up until about 2 years ago. I've taken out players, taken out refs...it was complete mayhem, every game.

That said, what you are describing about this game is not about competition. The "competition" ended when the game started, so take the win and move on. This isn't about slowing down and potentially losing the game, judging by the end result here, there was no chance of that. None at all. There was no competition, there was no battle...a team laid down, and then basically ridiculed? Seriously?

But come on, you seriously believe that running a game to 100-0 is acceptable? Again, my senior year high school team won a first round playoff game 36-0, but only due to the opponents mouths and attitudes did our coach allow us to run up the score. We played in many blowouts and our coach (whom I respect incredibly) limited our shots, increased our passing, etc...to better ourselves.

It wasn't to "pity" the other team, it was about respect. It was about sportsmanship.

I hear ya.I just don't like the idea of letting up.Maybe I am just a stubborn idiot.I always gave it my all whether it we were losing or winning by a lot.For me it was almost like a fist fight...don't let up because it may come back to haunt you.

We played Jones High school here in Houston for baseball one year and we were beating their butts badly and the coach put a lot of second and third stringers(basically freshman) in to play.We barely won that game.I think the final score was 12 -14.We had 14 runs after two innings and they only had about 2.Thats why I wouldn't let up.Even if I knew they couldn't come back.Its kind of like UFC for me.You fight until its over.It may not be pretty to see someone get the crap kicked out of them but when you step into the ring or any other forum to compete...its not over till its over.I guess I am just stubborn.

Oh...and by the way...I think I would have enjoyed the hell out of playing hockey with you.That is if I knew how to skate worth a crap. :lol:

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

I hear ya.I just don't like the idea of letting up.Maybe I am just a stubborn idiot.I always gave it my all whether it we were losing or winning by a lot.For me it was almost like a fist fight...don't let up because it may come back to haunt you....

So let's run with this "fist fight" analogy...so you're in the middle of a fist fight and you catch the guy on the chin, he buckles. He's knocked out cold. You would still continue to pummel him?

Because that's basically what happened in this basketball game.

Trust me, I don't like letting up either, but forgone conclusions are forgone conclusions. I was never on a team where people felt the need to pad their stats that much.

 

[predatorkj]

I hear ya.I just don't like the idea of letting up.Maybe I am just a stubborn idiot.I always gave it my all whether it we were losing or winning by a lot.For me it was almost like a fist fight...don't let up because it may come back to haunt you....

So let's run with this "fist fight" analogy...so you're in the middle of a fist fight and you catch the guy on the chin, he buckles. He's knocked out cold. You would still continue to pummel him?

Because that's basically what happened in this basketball game.

Trust me, I don't like letting up either, but forgone conclusions are forgone conclusions. I was never on a team where people felt the need to pad their stats that much.

Okay...thats a pretty bad analogy.I would hazard a guess if I was actually able to cold **** somebody(I never have) I would walk away.I just feel since the game is timed and they have to play for the entire time...they should.If they would have called the game that would have been a little different.But thats about the only thing that should have been done.Hey if your not going to call the game or forfeit...the players are there to play.

One other thing to add...it would actually tick me off if I was playing against somebody and they let up.That would really make me upset.I want full out competition all the way.Otherwise I would feel like anything I did in the game was not an accomplishment but rather a gift from the opponent.

 

[wideright]

Basically, if this incident had taken place between 2 "secular" schools, or public schools that are not based around a religious denomination, we wouldn't be having this discussion, nor would an article have been written, but most of all, an apology would never have been announced. Not from a secular school.

If you have understanding of Christian schools and their philosophies and what they are founded on, then you can understand the reasoning behind an apology being released for such an incident. I'm sure the coaches will have a good talking-to for allowing such a thing to take place, but more importantly for not setting a good example for the school.

This thread is titled with an emphasis being put on the apology part of the story. I was trying to help enlighten why the apology was being given.

P.S. I guess I better put in a disclaimer before someone thinks I'm generalizing. My statements do not apply to all private Christian schools. Just the one in this story and ones with similar philosophies and beliefs.

So it makes sense for public schools and not "religious" schools? Or it applies to public schools and the non-secular schools tend to take care of it themselves type of situation?

No, I did mean secular, defined as I know it to mean schools that are religiously-neutral, or public schools. I would consider non-secular as schools based on a religious denomination of some sort. I apologize if those are incorrect definitions. That's just how I've always referred to them.

You mean non-secular? Trying to make sure I understand you correctly.

I am not at all throwing religion into this discussion, I'm only bringing it up because it was part of the article!! So don't flame me!

What ya'll are debating makes sense for secular schools. I have never heard of a regular public high school team being told to apologize for a lopsided win. It's unheard of.

This school is a private Christian school. If any of you have any experience with Christian schools, you know that the underlying philosophy is to do all things to the glory of God, including how you play sports. Don't get me wrong, sports teams train to win the games they play, but the kids are also taught to approach the game as they play it wiht the attitude of, would God be pleased with my performance? Or in this case, with the performance of my team?

Having been to Christian schools in my youth, I understand the reason why the head of the school is doing this. I disagree with it, because I think it will set a real bad taste in the mouths of the girls on his school's team. They will never approach playing sports the same again. And if we followed this story, I'll bet the coach and assistant coach disagree with it too.

The reason I'm writing this is because if you haven't had experience in Christian schools, then save your breath about debating something more important. Religion and sports is a tough mix.

 

[TNP777]

We have to remember the Golden Rule: "Girls Basketball sucks!"

Who posted the wnba basketball game from youtube a while back on the general chat boards?That was pretty funny.If you enjoy layups, passing, jump shots, and more lay ups you love this game! :lol:

[youtube:1uyf9xwp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FGI7R0u3TQ[/youtube:1uyf9xwp]

 

[MattinglyAlexander]