The final word on the 2010 Bowman Wrapper Redemption

[NECpilgrims8]

I was informed of something that I had overlooked before.


The black border parallels, are paper stock, not chrome.

That's lame. A Bowman Chrome wrapper redemption for packs with paper Bowman parallels. ::facepalm::

Considering this "parallel" was an afterthought, they are keeping their costs down significantly by going with card stock instead of the Chrome laminate.

Either way, it's an expensive screw-up for Topps.

Re-read the press release. Either Topps made a typo, or the USA autographs will be on chrome stock.

· 37-card USA Baseball Bowman Chrome Black Bordered Autographs #’d to 25…featuring the 2010 Collegiate National Team and the 2010 18U National Team.

 

[cgilmo]

im only talking about the black bordered parallels


everything else is chrome stock.

 

[NECpilgrims8]

im only talking about the black bordered parallels


everything else is chrome stock.

Really, all that matters are the autographs inserted. Black bordered base cards seem a bit underwhelming as a wrapper redemption.

Glad to see those will be chrome stock, but they'll also be #'d the same as orange refractors. Should have chose /10 or /15 for these.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

In my eyes, this drastically changes things. Yes, the "hits" will be nice. . . but as has been pointed out, those are going to be very few and far between.

If the parallels are nothing more than another take on the blue and orange numbered bowman parallels, which sell OH so well in the marketplace, these black cards are DOA.

And furthermore, it would make a clear pack even more searchable.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

I was informed of something that I had overlooked before.


The black border parallels, are paper stock, not chrome.

That's lame. A Bowman Chrome wrapper redemption for packs with paper Bowman parallels. ::facepalm::

Considering this "parallel" was an afterthought, they are keeping their costs down significantly by going with card stock instead of the Chrome laminate.

Either way, it's an expensive screw-up for Topps.

Re-read the press release. Either Topps made a typo, or the USA autographs will be on chrome stock.

· 37-card USA Baseball Bowman Chrome Black Bordered Autographs #’d to 25…featuring the 2010 Collegiate National Team and the 2010 18U National Team.

I was referring to the prospect black border parallels, but I'd still expect the USA "Chrome" black border to be on a paper stock, unless these were already printed with the intial run...which I doubt.

Printing a set of 37 on chrome stock/laminate limited to 25 copies would be incredibly expensive. Think a production cost of no less than $2/card, but probably closer to double that.

Either way, no one really knows what will be in those packs until they start coming out. We certainly can't assume that any of the half-wits that work at Topps will know.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

I was informed of something that I had overlooked before.


The black border parallels, are paper stock, not chrome.

That's lame. A Bowman Chrome wrapper redemption for packs with paper Bowman parallels. ::facepalm::

Considering this "parallel" was an afterthought, they are keeping their costs down significantly by going with card stock instead of the Chrome laminate.

Either way, it's an expensive screw-up for Topps.

Re-read the press release. Either Topps made a typo, or the USA autographs will be on chrome stock.

· 37-card USA Baseball Bowman Chrome Black Bordered Autographs #’d to 25…featuring the 2010 Collegiate National Team and the 2010 18U National Team.

I was referring to the prospect black border parallels, but I'd still expect the USA "Chrome" black border to be on a paper stock, unless these were already printed with the intial run...which I doubt.

Printing a set of 37 on chrome stock/laminate limited to 25 copies would be incredibly expensive. Think a production cost of no less than $2/card, but probably closer to double that.

Either way, no one really knows what will be in those packs until they start coming out. We certainly can't assume that any of the half-wits that work at Topps will know.

Some of the half-wits may know. Let's play on their facebook page and see.

 

[Wes]

I tried to call Gilmore for comment, but he's too busy scurring around on his floor picking up wrappers to be bothered.

can you post his number for all of us on FCB?

8576309

I honestly had that phone number at one point.

It was a blast. Would come home from work and listen to all the messages of people singing that damn song.

That number was sold to a plumbing company for six figures around here I believe.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Too late. The floodgates are open.

http://www.facebook.com/ToppsSports?ref=ts

 

[goldenegg1]

Too late. The floodgates are open.

http://www.facebook.com/ToppsSports?ref=ts

I'm the guy in the banana suit.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

Some of the half-wits may know. Let's play on their facebook page and see.

It's my understanding that Topps employees are notorious for wearing velcro clasp shoes and elastic band pants because they cannot dress themselves without assistance. The smartest of the bunch have resorted to wearing bibs to limit some of the unsightly drool marks.

 

[Tom Oates]

OK, None of us know the exact numbers so I'm going to take some liberites with the math here.

110,000 approximate boxes in total
55,000 boxes opened - let's assume 50% of the print run has been opened
27,500 entries - Let's assume that 50% of the people that opened boxes saved their wrappers and are organized enough to get them mailed in by the deadline
2,250 approximate total autographs

I'll SWAG...
1:12 odds of getting an autograph from the wrapper redemption program

other than the obvious rounding off of box count and some wild guesstimates on the total number of boxes opened and entries received... anyone think I'm that far off the mark here?

Tom

 

[Bob Loblaw]

OK, None of us know the exact numbers so I'm going to take some liberites with the math here.

110,000 approximate boxes in total
55,000 boxes opened - let's assume 50% of the print run has been opened
27,500 entries - Let's assume that 50% of the people that opened boxes saved their wrappers and are organized enough to get them mailed in by the deadline
2,250 approximate total autographs

I'll SWAG...
1:12 odds of getting an autograph from the wrapper redemption program

other than the obvious rounding off of box count and some wild guesstimates on the total number of boxes opened and entries received... anyone think I'm that far off the mark here?

Tom

What matters is how much Topps prints. If they run the presses to allot for every single box printed, then the odds are pretty bad. If the run the presses to allot for redemption of 25% of the boxes made, then obviously the odds get better.

 

[BowmanChromeAddict]

OK, None of us know the exact numbers so I'm going to take some liberites with the math here.

110,000 approximate boxes in total
55,000 boxes opened - let's assume 50% of the print run has been opened
27,500 entries - Let's assume that 50% of the people that opened boxes saved their wrappers and are organized enough to get them mailed in by the deadline
2,250 approximate total autographs

I'll SWAG...
1:12 odds of getting an autograph from the wrapper redemption program

other than the obvious rounding off of box count and some wild guesstimates on the total number of boxes opened and entries received... anyone think I'm that far off the mark here?

Tom

Tom,
It really depends on how Topps plans to fulfill the program. If Topps waited until 3/31/11 to send anything, then obviously the odds of getting something nice should increase assuming they keep the extra bowman black bordered prospects and send out all the autos. If they fulfill at a set rate, then at 3/31/11 Topps will be left with a mix of black bordered bowmans and autos and such. I'd almost prefer they wait until 3/31 to fulfill if they made sure the autos got fully seeded into the redemptions. Otherwise, I expect Topps has already established an expected number of wrapper redemptions and has already planned their fulfillment of those and at what rate.

The total number of hobby boxes was 120,000 though. Just a little off.

 

[cgilmo]

its doubtful that 25% of the print run has been opened

 

[sebpoo]

I just mailed out my 90 wrappers. Let's see how much time it will take (to Canada).

 

[Wes]

OK, None of us know the exact numbers so I'm going to take some liberites with the math here.

110,000 approximate boxes in total
55,000 boxes opened - let's assume 50% of the print run has been opened
27,500 entries - Let's assume that 50% of the people that opened boxes saved their wrappers and are organized enough to get them mailed in by the deadline
2,250 approximate total autographs

I'll SWAG...
1:12 odds of getting an autograph from the wrapper redemption program

other than the obvious rounding off of box count and some wild guesstimates on the total number of boxes opened and entries received... anyone think I'm that far off the mark here?

Tom

Tom,
It really depends on how Topps plans to fulfill the program. If Topps waited until 3/31/11 to send anything, then obviously the odds of getting something nice should increase assuming they keep the extra bowman black bordered prospects and send out all the autos. If they fulfill at a set rate, then at 3/31/11 Topps will be left with a mix of black bordered bowmans and autos and such. I'd almost prefer they wait until 3/31 to fulfill if they made sure the autos got fully seeded into the redemptions. Otherwise, I expect Topps has already established an expected number of wrapper redemptions and has already planned their fulfillment of those and at what rate.

The total number of hobby boxes was 120,000 though. Just a little off.

How often do the Strasburgs fall?

 

[BowmanChromeAddict]

OK, None of us know the exact numbers so I'm going to take some liberites with the math here.

110,000 approximate boxes in total
55,000 boxes opened - let's assume 50% of the print run has been opened
27,500 entries - Let's assume that 50% of the people that opened boxes saved their wrappers and are organized enough to get them mailed in by the deadline
2,250 approximate total autographs

I'll SWAG...
1:12 odds of getting an autograph from the wrapper redemption program

other than the obvious rounding off of box count and some wild guesstimates on the total number of boxes opened and entries received... anyone think I'm that far off the mark here?

Tom

Tom,
It really depends on how Topps plans to fulfill the program. If Topps waited until 3/31/11 to send anything, then obviously the odds of getting something nice should increase assuming they keep the extra bowman black bordered prospects and send out all the autos. If they fulfill at a set rate, then at 3/31/11 Topps will be left with a mix of black bordered bowmans and autos and such. I'd almost prefer they wait until 3/31 to fulfill if they made sure the autos got fully seeded into the redemptions. Otherwise, I expect Topps has already established an expected number of wrapper redemptions and has already planned their fulfillment of those and at what rate.

The total number of hobby boxes was 120,000 though. Just a little off.

How often do the Strasburgs fall?

Way tougher than Clay promised at the National. They were supposed to be seeded at the same rate as every other auto.

 

[mancini79]

Topps will wait until wrappers start coming in or even close to the deadline date of 3/11 to start production or pack out. The autos will be ready to go. They just need to know how many of the cheap black parallels to cut and put into packs. This is an expensive program for Topps and they aren't going to produce more packs than they need to. It's not like there is a deadline when the packs need to be shipped.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Seems like it may be a good idea to sell them for $5 a box. If you're looking at the black cards being essentially worthless (like the orange and blue bowmans) and you have a 1:15 chance of getting a card that may be worth $100-150, it may make sense to get the $5 per and run.

 

[jdhaugh11]

2 cases worth of wrappers sold for $100 on Ebay, that's pretty good. Of course with 2 cases you should get more than 1 set of the 110 card black bordered Prospect and also get 1 or 2 of the 2,225 redemption Autograph cards.