Which Player Would Crush You if You Found Out He Was Juicing

[mlbsalltimegreats]

Lets leave the old guys/hofers out of it, Come on :| !!!

 

[JEBJJA]

Junior Griffey

 

[Zymco]

Re: I hope this guy didnt do Steroids

What do you guys think? Yes or NO?

It very well could kill my spirits if there was a yes to this. Also Jeter and Hamilton like previously mentioned.

 

[justinmandawg]

You win the spelling bee, I will the argument.

I disagree. What gives you the insight on the subject?

It is a simple fact that cortisone is just as "harmful" and as legal as HGH is. My point, that you were so quick to dismiss, is that Schilling injected a substance just as "harmful" and as legal or illegal as HGH.

Then throw out Tommie John surgery, ACL surgery, hell any surgery, and toss in antibiotics.

 

[seitas]

cortisone is a steroid. Schilling injected that into his ankle so that he could pitch. Without the cortisone injection he could not have pitched that game. So is it safe to say that Schilling used a drug that enhanced his performance? Schilling is a hypocrite and regardless of the symantecs of your argument he could not have played without the injection. Without the drug he is not even on the field. Legal or Illegal Schilling was willing to put something foreign in his body to enhance his performance. He is just as guilty as the other guys as far as I am concerned.

Based on your argument then any diabetic player that takes insulin to allow them to play is cheating also?

Diabetes is a condition vs. an ailment. Without the cortisone shot Schilling would not have died he would have sat in the bullpen with an ankle injury.

Other than Adam Morrison are there any known diabetics in pro sports?

 

[Zymco]

I believe Jason Johnson is. Pitcher for the Tigers and Orioles.

 

[ffgameman]

Jay Cutler, Denver Broncos quarterback.

cortisone is a steroid. Schilling injected that into his ankle so that he could pitch. Without the cortisone injection he could not have pitched that game. So is it safe to say that Schilling used a drug that enhanced his performance? Schilling is a hypocrite and regardless of the symantecs of your argument he could not have played without the injection. Without the drug he is not even on the field. Legal or Illegal Schilling was willing to put something foreign in his body to enhance his performance. He is just as guilty as the other guys as far as I am concerned.

Based on your argument then any diabetic player that takes insulin to allow them to play is cheating also?

Diabetes is a condition vs. an ailment. Without the cortisone shot Schilling would not have died he would have sat in the bullpen with an ankle injury.

Other than Adam Morrison are there any known diabetics in pro sports?

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

I'd be crushed if Thomas and/or Griffey were on the hook.

 

[gamedaygator]

You win the spelling bee, I will the argument.

I disagree. What gives you the insight on the subject?

It is a simple fact that cortisone is just as "harmful" and as legal as HGH is. My point, that you were so quick to dismiss, is that Schilling injected a substance just as "harmful" and as legal or illegal as HGH.

Then throw out Tommie John surgery, ACL surgery, hell any surgery, and toss in antibiotics.

Thank you. That is what I am trying to say. MLB's "rule" of what steroids are legal and what is illegal is ridiculous. There is not one person in all of baseball that can tell you which steroids are legal and which ones are illegal. The ARDO test results from SIX YEARS ago do not even state which kind of steroid he tested positive for. For that matter, HGH IS NOT detectible but it is illegal in the eyes of MLB. For one player (Schilling) to be able to preach about how horrible players are for "juicing" when he himseld benifited from a form of a steroid.

 

[hive17]

Braun

you never know they worked out together all the time at the U

The reason (call it rose-colored glasses, whatever) I believe Braun and the other NCAA guys are clean, are the better-than-average tests that go on in college. Baseball guys that go to college have a lot more to lose, so I'd suspect they'd want to wait until they made it to the MLB before they tried getting away with PEDs.

That's why I'd wager that college-ball guys would have a lower number of PED users among their ranks; if any.

 

[AKA Coastal]

Make steroids legal. I like the long ball anyways.

 

[fengzhang]

Does anyone have a link that explains why steroids were made illegal in 1991? What was the justification? That steroids are bad for you?

 

[seitas]

I love the direction of this discussion. I don't have a problem with being a fan during the steroid era. I am knowledgeable enough to be able to put the accomplishments of this era into their proper context. I believe that Bonds was a top 10 all time player without steroids. I believe that with steroids you could make an argument that he is the best ever. Does that diminish Ruth, Mays, Cobb, Mantle? To me it doesn't. Just as not playing against black athletes doesn't diminish the incredible careers of Cobb or Ruth. Every era must be judged on it's own. The game has evolved and will continue to evolve. Rather than worrying about who did or didn't take PED's why can't we just go back to enjoying the game.

 

[thenumberonemetfan]

I love the direction of this discussion. I don't have a problem with being a fan during the steroid era. I am knowledgeable enough put be able to put the accomplishments of this era into their proper context. I believe that Bonds was a top 10 all time player without steroids. I believe that with steroids you could make an argument that he is the best ever. Does that diminish Ruth, Mays, Cobb, Mantle? To me it doesn't. Just as not playing against black athletes doesn't diminish the incredible careers of Cobb or Ruth. Every era must be judged on it's own. The game has evolved and will continue to evolve. Rather than worrying about who did or didn't take PED's why can't we just go back to enjoying the game.

Because espn isnt done covering the story.

 

[pujolsjunkie]

I believe Jason Johnson is. Pitcher for the Tigers and Orioles.

I remember when he pitched for the Indians during an ESPN game, his teammates stood in front of him in the dugout to block cameras while an insulin shot was administered. It was really odd.

 

[UMich92]

cortisone is a steroid. Schilling injected that into his ankle so that he could pitch. Without the cortisone injection he could not have pitched that game. So is it safe to say that Schilling used a drug that enhanced his performance? Schilling is a hypocrite and regardless of the symantecs of your argument he could not have played without the injection. Without the drug he is not even on the field. Legal or Illegal Schilling was willing to put something foreign in his body to enhance his performance. He is just as guilty as the other guys as far as I am concerned.

Based on your argument then any diabetic player that takes insulin to allow them to play is cheating also?

Diabetes is a condition vs. an ailment. Without the cortisone shot Schilling would not have died he would have sat in the bullpen with an ankle injury.

Other than Adam Morrison are there any known diabetics in pro sports?

There's quite a difference between corticosteroids like cortisone, prednisone, etc. that are anti-inflammatories and anabolic steroids like nandralone, dianabol, testosterone, etc. that increase protein synthesis affecting muscle growth and recovery.

Alex

 

[onionring9]

At this point does it really matter? Just about everybody was doing it. I still don't' understand what unearthing more roid users is going to accomplish. Stop wasting time and money on this and start dedicating it to something productive like prevention.

 

[seitas]

cortisone is a steroid. Schilling injected that into his ankle so that he could pitch. Without the cortisone injection he could not have pitched that game. So is it safe to say that Schilling used a drug that enhanced his performance? Schilling is a hypocrite and regardless of the symantecs of your argument he could not have played without the injection. Without the drug he is not even on the field. Legal or Illegal Schilling was willing to put something foreign in his body to enhance his performance. He is just as guilty as the other guys as far as I am concerned.

Based on your argument then any diabetic player that takes insulin to allow them to play is cheating also?

Diabetes is a condition vs. an ailment. Without the cortisone shot Schilling would not have died he would have sat in the bullpen with an ankle injury.

Other than Adam Morrison are there any known diabetics in pro sports?

There's quite a difference between corticosteroids like cortisone, prednisone, etc. that are anti-inflammatories and anabolic steroids like nandralone, dianabol, testosterone, etc. that increase protein synthesis affecting muscle growth and recovery.

Alex

I understand the difference. They both affect change in the body. They both aid the performance and recovery of athletes. Who is to say what is performance enhancing and what isn't? Why is it okay to take one substance that aids your recovery but not okay to take another substance that could also aid recovery? It's when you start to play moral police that you get in trouble.

 

[Pinbreaker]

OK how about Jamie Moyer..

I think he could have juiced to get his fastball up to 75 MPH..maybe 80..

It would not suprise me to see Edgar on the list.. I don't think he did, but ya never know..

I was just watching a little bit on the MLB Network as they are still beating this thing to death..

It's turned into He Said / She Said..

I think she is promoting her book just like Canseco did..

 

[jay1065]

As for Manny, I don't think he was smart enough or cared enough to take anything. He is such a space cadet when it comes to baseball stuff, I really feel he just has a crazy head and insane hitting ability.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

I stopped my Manny collection because of his performance against Mariano Rivera (3 pitches/3 strikes/bat never left his shoulder) and the traveling secretary incident towards the end of his Red Sox career. That being said, I still believe he is probably the greatest pure hitter that I will see in my lifetime. If he is on a list out there, I would be extremely disappointed.