Why Does Everyone Bitch About Leaf?

[sportscardtheory]

If everyone's thoughts about the quality of Leaf's products are mere sentiments or personal opinions that have no relationship to a truth claim, then there is no point in discussing the matter. It is like arguing with someone who says "I like Coca-Cola" by telling them that they do not. You can argue why they should not like Coca Cola for certain reasons, but then you are in the realm of evaluating Coke against standards of what constitutes something being "good." Either you argue the objective merits of the Leaf products against a standard to determine if they are good or you should stop arguing because people are merely stating that they like or dislike Leaf products, and it is silly to tell them that they are wrong.

No one is telling anyone they are wrong. We are telling him why he's an idiot for thinking the way he does. I'm of the opinion that people who make outlandish proclamations like "Leaf has never made a good product" are idiots and clearly have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

 

[sportscardtheory]

My opinion that Leaf has not made a good product yet and your opinion that they have made good products are indeed not facts. They are opinions and cannot be proven by rule.

[quote="sportscardtheory":2rw75jqy][quote="TwinGnats":2rw75jqy]Did Leaf make the movie? Then I probably didn't see it.

[quote="sportscardtheory":2rw75jqy][quote="TwinGnats":2rw75jqy]Normally calm people don't need to reassure themselves that they are calm, especially to the point where they rank their calmness in relations to other people. Hope you have a better day.

Clearly this kid isn't into movie quotes. That's okay though. Who cares.

"Der der der, the Nationals and Twins SUCK! They are truly two of the most awful teams in existence. I didn't watch one game from either of them, because they SUCK and aren't worth a second of my time, der der der!"

Imagine if I really did post garbage like that. lol That's what you sound like with your hatred of a trading card company. It's quite pathetic and not based in any fact, but pure hyperbolic hate.

Leaf's 2011 football draft products weren't a success? What planet are you on.[/quote:2rw75jqy]

In his defense, he said "good" product, not "successful" product. It means he has not liked any product Razor/Leaf has put out regardless of its sales.[/quote:2rw75jqy]

Any idiot can go around proclaiming anything as not "good". It doesn't make it a reality. The word good doesn't mean "what I like". If this kid didn't "like" Michael Jordan, does that mean Michael Jordan wasn't "good".[/quote:2rw75jqy]

Holy crap, go change your tampon.

Any idiot knows (or should know) that when someone says something is not "good", they are speaking their own sentiments and not those of the world's population.[/quote:2rw75jqy]

This isn't a good post. In fact, you have never made a good post here ever.

See how that works and how ridiculous it is? Keep defending it though.

 

[nosterbor]

Here's my take on part of it.


Razor sucked balls. It was awful. Every product I seen that was released looked horribly cheap and tacky. And don't even get me started on the generic designs of the MMA product.


THEN.......THEN........THEN..........Razor promises some huge announcement and it turns out that, since Razor sucks so bad, they go out and purchase a name of a brand that was beloved in the collecting world, Leaf. Instead of just trying to carve their own niche in the market, they decide to just buy someone else's name and try and ride those coattails as long as possible.

And the Crusades I seen the other day. I think that's a ridiculous idea too, but I refrained from commenting in the thread. I'm hard enough on the guy anyway, I didn't want to just pour it on. The cards looked decent, but that's not really the point. He copied someone else's previous ideas blatantly without shame. That's the bad thing.

The ideas that 'Razor/imitation Leaf' have come up with all on their own have been completely awful. So they've just decided to start copying other peoples ideas and designs with reckless abandon.

Plain and simple, from day one, I haven't taken the company, whatever it decides to call itself tomorrow, seriously. I just think they're a joke.


Call me an *******. I'm fine with that. I've been called an ******* every single time I've ever spoke up against the mighty Brian Gray. It's fine. But I think it's very sad that he's on here acting like he does sometimes. It doesn't reflect well on the company he is trying to build when he's on an internet message board acting like a baby when someone says something bad about his company.

But what do I know, I'm just a collector.

" If it was not for ass-holes we would all be full of ****"
Could be the problem with leaf.

 

[TwinGnats]

We covered that these are opinions a while back. I'm not sure the point you are attempting to make.

I do collect baseball and Leaf has yet to produce a decent set. Just because other people like something doesn't make it good. I have never once told anyone what they should do with their money or how to collect. I am making my statements in thread about the junk products that Leaf make as participation in this forum.

Your OPINION is that they have yet to produce a decent set. This is not a fact.
Just because you DON'T like something doesn't make it bad. Again, your OPINION.
Calling Leaf junk is your OPINION.

I don't see how YOU don't understand. Its not a difficult concept. You're more than entitled to feel how you do, but throwing it around as fact makes you look uninformed at best, closely followed by unintelligent.

 

[ChasHawk]

I do collect baseball and Leaf has yet to produce a decent set. Just because other people like something doesn't make it good. I have never once told anyone what they should do with their money or how to collect. I am making my statements in thread about the junk products that Leaf make as participation in this forum.

Your OPINION is that they have yet to produce a decent set. This is not a fact.
Just because you DON'T like something doesn't make it bad. Again, your OPINION.
Calling Leaf junk is your OPINION.

I don't see how YOU don't understand. Its not a difficult concept. You're more than entitled to feel how you do, but throwing it around as fact makes you look uninformed at best, closely followed by unintelligent.

all he has said is that it's his opinion

 

[ChasHawk]

If everyone's thoughts about the quality of Leaf's products are mere sentiments or personal opinions that have no relationship to a truth claim, then there is no point in discussing the matter. It is like arguing with someone who says "I like Coca-Cola" by telling them that they do not. You can argue why they should not like Coca Cola for certain reasons, but then you are in the realm of evaluating Coke against standards of what constitutes something being "good." Either you argue the objective merits of the Leaf products against a standard to determine if they are good or you should stop arguing because people are merely stating that they like or dislike Leaf products, and it is silly to tell them that they are wrong.

No one is telling anyone they are wrong. We are telling him why he's an idiot for thinking the way he does. I'm of the opinion that people who make outlandish proclamations like "Leaf has never made a good product" are idiots and clearly have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

this makes you look incredibly small-minded...sorry

 

[Austin]

Over/under 6 pages?

This thread is artificially long because of the moronic arguing of TwinGnats and Sportscardtheory.
Take those two out of the thread and it's a few pages shorter.
It's obnoxious having to scroll through walls of quote replies from them when they're bickering about crap that has nothing to do with this topic.
Suck it TwinGnats and Sportscartheory.

 

[ChasHawk]

Over/under 6 pages?

This thread is artificially long because of the moronic arguing of TwinGnats and Sportscardtheory.
Take those two out of the thread and it' a few pages shorter.
It's obnoxious having to scroll through walls of quote replies from those when they're bickering about crap that has nothing to do with this topic.
Suck it TwinGnats and Sportscartheory.

hater... :lol:

 

[sportscardtheory]

Over/under 6 pages?

This thread is artificially long because of the moronic arguing of TwinGnats and Sportscardtheory.
Take those two out of the thread and it's a few pages shorter.
It's obnoxious having to scroll through walls of quote replies from them when they're bickering about crap that has nothing to do with this topic.
Suck it TwinGnats and Sportscartheory.

Suck it yourself, crybaby. :mrgreen:

 

[Austin]

Over/under 6 pages?

This thread is artificially long because of the moronic arguing of TwinGnats and Sportscardtheory.
Take those two out of the thread and it' a few pages shorter.
It's obnoxious having to scroll through walls of quote replies from those when they're bickering about crap that has nothing to do with this topic.
Suck it TwinGnats and Sportscartheory.

hater... :lol:

It's a ploy to have TwinGnats and Sportscardtheory gang up against me, causing a truce and friendship between them, thus ending their feud and making the board more peaceful. :grouphug:

 

[sportscardtheory]

If everyone's thoughts about the quality of Leaf's products are mere sentiments or personal opinions that have no relationship to a truth claim, then there is no point in discussing the matter. It is like arguing with someone who says "I like Coca-Cola" by telling them that they do not. You can argue why they should not like Coca Cola for certain reasons, but then you are in the realm of evaluating Coke against standards of what constitutes something being "good." Either you argue the objective merits of the Leaf products against a standard to determine if they are good or you should stop arguing because people are merely stating that they like or dislike Leaf products, and it is silly to tell them that they are wrong.

No one is telling anyone they are wrong. We are telling him why he's an idiot for thinking the way he does. I'm of the opinion that people who make outlandish proclamations like "Leaf has never made a good product" are idiots and clearly have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

this makes you look incredibly small-minded...sorry

And here we go again. Everyone is entitled an opinion, but "oh lordy lordy" when someone speaks one that is different from theirs. The kid can make idiotic statements, but apparently I'm in the wrong for not agreeing with him. Sure. ::facepalm::

 

[ChasHawk]

If everyone's thoughts about the quality of Leaf's products are mere sentiments or personal opinions that have no relationship to a truth claim, then there is no point in discussing the matter. It is like arguing with someone who says "I like Coca-Cola" by telling them that they do not. You can argue why they should not like Coca Cola for certain reasons, but then you are in the realm of evaluating Coke against standards of what constitutes something being "good." Either you argue the objective merits of the Leaf products against a standard to determine if they are good or you should stop arguing because people are merely stating that they like or dislike Leaf products, and it is silly to tell them that they are wrong.

No one is telling anyone they are wrong. We are telling him why he's an idiot for thinking the way he does. I'm of the opinion that people who make outlandish proclamations like "Leaf has never made a good product" are idiots and clearly have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

this makes you look incredibly small-minded...sorry

And here we go again. Everyone is entitled an opinion, but "oh lordy lordy" when someone speaks one that is different from theirs. The kid can make idiotic statements, but apparently I'm in the wrong for not agreeing with him. Sure. ::facepalm::

nope, its not about not agreeing with him, its about purposefully being a dick

 

[sportscardtheory]

If everyone's thoughts about the quality of Leaf's products are mere sentiments or personal opinions that have no relationship to a truth claim, then there is no point in discussing the matter. It is like arguing with someone who says "I like Coca-Cola" by telling them that they do not. You can argue why they should not like Coca Cola for certain reasons, but then you are in the realm of evaluating Coke against standards of what constitutes something being "good." Either you argue the objective merits of the Leaf products against a standard to determine if they are good or you should stop arguing because people are merely stating that they like or dislike Leaf products, and it is silly to tell them that they are wrong.

No one is telling anyone they are wrong. We are telling him why he's an idiot for thinking the way he does. I'm of the opinion that people who make outlandish proclamations like "Leaf has never made a good product" are idiots and clearly have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

this makes you look incredibly small-minded...sorry

And here we go again. Everyone is entitled an opinion, but "oh lordy lordy" when someone speaks one that is different from theirs. The kid can make idiotic statements, but apparently I'm in the wrong for not agreeing with him. Sure. ::facepalm::

nope, its not about not agreeing with him, its about purposefully being a dick

Nope, he made statements that I disagree with and I spoke my mind about it. Why do you have a problem with me saying what I want, but he can say whatever he wants? It really makes no sense. He has a right to bad-mouth a company, but I can't bad-mouth him? lol Okay. No hypocrisy there. Not at all.

 

[ChasHawk]

Dude, you're being a ******...you're always a ******, and I'm done with you and this thread.

Good luck with your future endeavors...

 

[sportscardtheory]

Dude, you're being a ******...you're always a ******, and I'm done with you and this thread.

Good luck with your future endeavors...

You are also a ******. Good luck in your future endeavors as well. :mrgreen:

 

[Hendersonfan]

Over/under 6 pages?

This thread is artificially long because of the moronic arguing of TwinGnats and Sportscardtheory.
Take those two out of the thread and it's a few pages shorter.
It's obnoxious having to scroll through walls of quote replies from them when they're bickering about crap that has nothing to do with this topic.
Suck it TwinGnats and Sportscartheory.

Yeah, this wasn't what I was going for. Some well-thought conversation and ideas, not squabbles.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Over/under 6 pages?

This thread is artificially long because of the moronic arguing of TwinGnats and Sportscardtheory.
Take those two out of the thread and it's a few pages shorter.
It's obnoxious having to scroll through walls of quote replies from them when they're bickering about crap that has nothing to do with this topic.
Suck it TwinGnats and Sportscartheory.

Yeah, this wasn't what I was going for. Some well-thought conversation and ideas, not squabbles.

You asked "Why Does Everyone Bitch About Leaf?"

So someone came into the thread "bitching about Leaf", and you really have a problem with someone countering their opinions? What did you expect. Don't act like you didn't know what was going to happen. I have also laid-out posts about the actual subject of why people "bitch about Leaf" as well as countering a "bitchers" points.

What's next, will you make a thread asking "Why do people counter-bitch about people's opinions who bitch about Leaf?"

This whole thing is so ridiculous. Someone can come in hear bitching about Leaf in a thread about bitching about Leaf, but I'm the ******* for countering those opinions, yet your OP basically explained WHY you think that people SHOULDN'T bitch about Leaf. Holy Christ. ::facepalm::

 

[ThoseBackPages]

F'N A!

 

[sportscardtheory]

F'N A!

IBL

:lol:

 

[Liberate Baltimore]

All of this drama over something as earth shattering as baseball cards. Really? I mean....REALLY?