Why Does Everyone Bitch About Leaf?

[TwinGnats]

I've yet to foe anyone, it's a hobby, I just can't take it that seriously. I for one will be more than happy to state and opinion that I like a product that leaf makes if they every make a decent product that is nice looking or interesting or fun to collect.

Hey BG, if you get licensing, make Quantum Leaf Baseball, if you don't ruin it I always liked that set.

This is why you need to foe this idiot. He freaks out for no reason and ALWAYS has to be right. I kind of miss the freak outs though. It's funny to watch someone get so mad and still be wrong.

My opinion that Leaf has not made a good product yet and your opinion that they have made good products are indeed not facts. They are opinions and cannot be proven by rule.

Did Leaf make the movie? Then I probably didn't see it.

[quote="TwinGnats":32vztatb]Normally calm people don't need to reassure themselves that they are calm, especially to the point where they rank their calmness in relations to other people. Hope you have a better day.

Clearly this kid isn't into movie quotes. That's okay though. Who cares.

"Der der der, the Nationals and Twins SUCK! They are truly two of the most awful teams in existence. I didn't watch one game from either of them, because they SUCK and aren't worth a second of my time, der der der!"

Imagine if I really did post garbage like that. lol That's what you sound like with your hatred of a trading card company. It's quite pathetic and not based in any fact, but pure hyperbolic hate.

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[TwinGnats]

I've never said you weren't allowed that opinion.

I never took a position on financial success or failure. I'm stating a personal opinion, just as you, are stating a personal opinion. Neither opinion can be proven as they are subjective.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's fine that you think it's my subjective opinion, as is yours. I just happen to think that yours is an uneducated and idiotic opinion based only on a weird hatred for a trading card company. So according to you, it's okay that I'm saying this though... so what exactly is your beef with what I'm saying?

 

[sportscardtheory]

I've never said you weren't allowed that opinion.

I never took a position on financial success or failure. I'm stating a personal opinion, just as you, are stating a personal opinion. Neither opinion can be proven as they are subjective.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's fine that you think it's my subjective opinion, as is yours. I just happen to think that yours is an uneducated and idiotic opinion based only on a weird hatred for a trading card company. So according to you, it's okay that I'm saying this though... so what exactly is your beef with what I'm saying?

Then why do you keep acting like I'm in the wrong for responding to YOUR opinion?

 

[WoundedDuck]

I love making statements and following them up with "you can't prove me wrong because it's my opinion.". Kind of a cop out don't you think? Rather than throwing out a blanket statement like "Leaf has not made good product yet" and then claiming it's an opinion that can't be refuted, perhaps you should at least clarify your criteria. If what you mean is that Leaf hasn't made a product that YOU like yet, then sure you may be right. But if Leaf not making a good product can have any other interpretation, you might find evidence to the contrary.

 

[Leaf]

i, for one, would LOVE to see what he could do with all the required licenses.

Why don't we just ask Brian?

Brian - you have just acquired a MLBP license. Tell us what your first step is, what products do you want to put out, and what strategy will you implement to compete with Topps?

1> I would look at the products on the market currently and figure our where other manufacturers are dropping the ball.
The single biggest short coming is the lack of quality rookie themed items until draft at the end of each year. I am not talking about putting Rendon in 15 sets. I am talking about strategically using players throught the year in a manner that gives ALL products a young future star element.

2> I would focus on including more than the top 300 players. There is a MAJOR problem in the fact that hometown hero type players often get no cards throught the year. Remember the old days? We got more guys than we needed.

3> I would spend money more wisely than the other guys... Why pay Johnny Bench $50 a signature so his card can sell for $30? They are the stewards of your money and they are WASTING YOUR CASH by overspending on content. They should focus on players where the price they pay ADDS VALUE (NOT ERASES VALUE) from your hard earned purchases.

4> I would attempt to work with MLBP to set out a product schedule that insures that the market doesnt get nailed with too many items at the same time. Why can't this be spread out smarter?

5> Redemptions have a 60 day max return window. If we cannot get the guy in 60 days, he is out of the set!

6> We would pay up for the serious names. Ichiro is a prime example. $$$ is why LEAF got him and not the other guys.
Wouldnt that have been a smart way to spend $$$....

Just a start... IF that unlikely case ever presented itself, you can bet your ass content and competition would make EVERY product in the market better... BG

 

[sportscardtheory]

This is why you need to foe this idiot. He freaks out for no reason and ALWAYS has to be right. I kind of miss the freak outs though. It's funny to watch someone get so mad and still be wrong.

Awww. I'm sorry that you don't like what I have to say about some stuff. Did I huwt yo wittle feewings? Jesus. Grow a pair.

 

[TwinGnats]

When did I ever say you were wrong for not agreeing with my opinions?

I've never said you weren't allowed that opinion.

I never took a position on financial success or failure. I'm stating a personal opinion, just as you, are stating a personal opinion. Neither opinion can be proven as they are subjective.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's fine that you think it's my subjective opinion, as is yours. I just happen to think that yours is an uneducated and idiotic opinion based only on a weird hatred for a trading card company. So according to you, it's okay that I'm saying this though... so what exactly is your beef with what I'm saying?

Then why do you keep acting like I'm in the wrong for responding to YOUR opinion?

 

[Leaf]

Everyone (including myself) complain about every manufacturer. What's happening is two-fold; first BG get's defensive every time anything negative is said and lashes out. Second, he has yet to produce a decent product, trying to keep up with Sage isn't the way to garner a lot of compliments.

This is a forum, so opinions are given positive and negative. Why people are shocked when members come to a forum to give their opinion is beyond me.

I am going to state things quite clear:

IF you dont think I have EVER issued a single decent product, you are out of your mind.
You dont have to like them, but to say every product sucks is downright ignorant.
BG

 

[sportscardtheory]

When did I ever say you were wrong for not agreeing with my opinions?

I've never said you weren't allowed that opinion.

I never took a position on financial success or failure. I'm stating a personal opinion, just as you, are stating a personal opinion. Neither opinion can be proven as they are subjective.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's fine that you think it's my subjective opinion, as is yours. I just happen to think that yours is an uneducated and idiotic opinion based only on a weird hatred for a trading card company. So according to you, it's okay that I'm saying this though... so what exactly is your beef with what I'm saying?

Then why do you keep acting like I'm in the wrong for responding to YOUR opinion?

I guess not. Keep on hating and I'll keep on calling you out for your nonsensical opinions, just how you apparently want it.

 

[gt2590]

As a guy who didn't like/agree with the Razor exclusives, mostly for Wieters and print runs reasons:

I can easily say that the two Leaf Metal Draft products so far and the Ali set have been great!

And the Army college recruits sets have been a hit too. Heck, Phil hyper-ventilates when posting about them. :lol:

They've been met with great grades in design, quality and most importantly, customer satisfaction!

 

[sportscardtheory]

As a guy who didn't like/agree with the Razor exclusives, mostly for Wieters and print runs reasons:

I can easily say that the two Leaf Metal Draft products so far and the Ali set have been great!

And the Army college recruits sets have been a hit too. Heck, Phil hyper-ventilates when posting about them. :lol:

They've been met with great grades in design, quality and most importantly, customer satisfaction!

No. These products were/are complete flops. Just ask TwinsgeniusNatsboy.

 

[deceptikon1978]

I would just like to say everything that BG has put out in football has met and exceeded expectations. Starting with the Razor Army stuff. Nothing was "cheap", everything was nothing less than a great quality product. Leaf is continuing that with highly sought after stuff in football. Collector's in football have noticed Leaf in a big way.

My only complaint with Leaf is that BG has all but forgotten the football boards on FCB. Where is the love? There is a new Leaf thread in baseball everyday, put us over in football land in the loop as well.

 

[TwinGnats]

Deal.

BG, you have yet to produce a good product. If you ever do I will be happy to admit it and buy some.

When did I ever say you were wrong for not agreeing with my opinions?

I've never said you weren't allowed that opinion.

[quote="TwinGnats":3ex5zp7s]I never took a position on financial success or failure. I'm stating a personal opinion, just as you, are stating a personal opinion. Neither opinion can be proven as they are subjective.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's fine that you think it's my subjective opinion, as is yours. I just happen to think that yours is an uneducated and idiotic opinion based only on a weird hatred for a trading card company. So according to you, it's okay that I'm saying this though... so what exactly is your beef with what I'm saying?

Then why do you keep acting like I'm in the wrong for responding to YOUR opinion?

I guess not. Keep on hating and I'll keep on calling you out for your nonsensical opinions, just how you apparently want it.[/quote:3ex5zp7s]

 

[ThoseBackPages]

Over/under 6 pages?

over

 

[scotty21690]

Everyone (including myself) complain about every manufacturer. What's happening is two-fold; first BG get's defensive every time anything negative is said and lashes out. Second, he has yet to produce a decent product, trying to keep up with Sage isn't the way to garner a lot of compliments.

This is a forum, so opinions are given positive and negative. Why people are shocked when members come to a forum to give their opinion is beyond me.

While I disagree with the bolded statement the same can be said for Topps the past few years, minus Gypsy Queen and Heritage...

 

[scotty21690]

Why is it so wrong to not like something/someone?

I think Ali Metal and Rose look great. I don't like Draft or Valiant.

Why is that a problem?

What if some people just don't like Brian or his products, or hold a grudge from the Razor debacle?

Why is this such a HUGE problem for so many people here?

Why are you a hater if you don't like something?

What is the point of this board if people can't express their opinions, positive AND negative?

The way I read it Charlie, is that you don't have to like some of the products he puts out (I don't collect prospects either ) but you have to respect how he always puts 100% into all of his products...he is constantly asking for feedback/criticism/opinions for all of his current and future products and how he tries his hardest to get on card autographs into all of them.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Why is it so wrong to not like something/someone?

I think Ali Metal and Rose look great. I don't like Draft or Valiant.

Why is that a problem?

What if some people just don't like Brian or his products, or hold a grudge from the Razor debacle?

Why is this such a HUGE problem for so many people here?

Why are you a hater if you don't like something?

What is the point of this board if people can't express their opinions, positive AND negative?

The way I read it Charlie, is that you don't have to like some of the products he puts out (I don't collect prospects either ) but you have to respect how he always puts 100% into all of his products...he is constantly asking for feedback/criticism/opinions for all of his current and future products and how he tries his hardest to get on card autographs into all of them.

This is key. I would be willing to bet that many of the Razor/Leaf/Brian Gray naysayers complain about sticker autos, yet give Gray no props for at least attempting to have all his autos on-card.

 

[Exposfan]

Brian, I appreciate you being very upfront with this board about all your products and what goes into them. The only reason I can say that everyone "*******" about Leaf produtcs is because they know Brian reads this board and more likely than not responds to any and ALL criticism or adulation for his products. If anyone for Topps, UD, Panini, would do the same I would think those threads would "blow-up" into bitch sessions just as all Leaf threads.

The thing that I don't understand about each and every single "Leaf" thread, is that the same people respond to EACH ONE complaining about how its stinks and they would never buy it. Its the same people everytime! If you don't like Brian and his products fine, say your piece once, we get it. Allow those who are purchasing the product to enjoy it.

 

[sportscardtheory]

It doesn't help that Brian Gray is pretty much the only manufacturer of trading cards here on the best trading card forum on the planet. This creates an affect of some people focusing their frustrations with the hobby on him and his products and taking everything out on him, since the other big players in the trading card industry aren't here to be bashed. Brian is basically taking the brunt of people's frustrations because he's the only one here for people to vent to/at. If any of the others were here, they would get the same (if not worse) treatment. Just look at when Dr. Price shows-up on forums. He gets lambasted as well. I applaud Brian for having the nerve to bear this garbage at all.

 

[autocut]

This is my thing, opinions are great, but who gives constructive criticism? All problems, but no solutions. That's what makes the opinions comical.