Worst everyday starting player in MLB

[bodiaz]

Benji Molina is a top 10 Cateche r in MLB still at this point in his career. He is a better player at this point than Jay Bruce. I think that will change soon, but right now it is fact. The worst player in MLB right now IMO is Fernando Tatis. Obviously if you start in the MLB you are a very talented player, but Tatis does not give a team anything on defense or much on offense either.

 

[Jays_Cards]

[quote="Jays_Cards":2t0edzl5]

[quote="Jays_Cards":2t0edzl5]Julio Lugo or Bengie Molina for me.

Sounds like someone with a Posey stash! This site is soooo politically slanted toward prospects.

I have exactly 0 Posey cards..Good observation, though ::facepalm::

So you would want Jason Kendall, John Buck, Jeff Mathis, Rod Barajas..The list continues over Bengie Molina??

Absolutely.[/quote:2t0edzl5]


I dont know why but again its your opinion. So you go with Bengie being the worst player in the league then??[/quote:2t0edzl5]

He might not be the single worst, but he is definitely in the conversation (top 10 worst). The others who belong when all factors are considered:

Julio Lugo
Adam Dunn
David Ortiz
Yuniesky Betancourt
Garrett Anderson

 

[Jays_Cards]

Benji Molina is a top 10 Cateche r in MLB still at this point in his career. He is a better player at this point than Jay Bruce. I think that will change soon, but right now it is fact. The worst player in MLB right now IMO is Fernando Tatis. Obviously if you start in the MLB you are a very talented player, but Tatis does not give a team anything on defense or much on offense either.

There is absolutely 0 statistical evidence that shows Bengie is among the top 10 catchers in the league. NONE. There is plenty that shows that he is in the bottom three, though.

 

[darocker80]

Adam Dunn def worst defense, but come on, he had solid offensive season last year.

bobby crosby?

 

[matty07]

I dont know why people are going with Adam Dunn, I like the guy alot and he's a 30-100 guy every year

 

[Jays_Cards]

Adam Dunn def worst defense, but come on, he had solid offensive season last year.

bobby crosby?

You are ignoring the question..The question is not who is the worst hitter in the league, nor is it who is the worst HR hitter in the league (which the majority of you guys seem to think this question is asking).

 

[Jays_Cards]

I dont know why people are going with Adam Dunn, I like the guy alot and he's a 30-100 guy every year

And he also hits .240, strikes out 200+ times every year, is the single worst defensive player in that last decade, and cannot run to save his life..You obviously asked the wrong question. Maybe try, who is the worst hitter in the league?

 

[darocker80]

Adam Dunn def worst defense, but come on, he had solid offensive season last year.

bobby crosby?

You are ignoring the question..The question is not who is the worst hitter in the league, nor is it who is the worst HR hitter in the league (which the majority of you guys seem to think this question is asking).

I'll pick Adam Dunn over Aubrey Huff, and most of the position players on the Giants besides Derosa and Pablo Sandoval

 

[kdailey4315]

Benji Molina is a top 10 Cateche r in MLB still at this point in his career. He is a better player at this point than Jay Bruce. I think that will change soon, but right now it is fact. The worst player in MLB right now IMO is Fernando Tatis. Obviously if you start in the MLB you are a very talented player, but Tatis does not give a team anything on defense or much on offense either.

There is absolutely 0 statistical evidence that shows Bengie is among the top 10 catchers in the league. NONE. There is plenty that shows that he is in the bottom three, though.

Well I've shown stats that have proved you wrong and that Bengie is in the Top 10. I'm still waiting for you to provide some actual stats and facts to prove me wrong. Basically something other than your opinion and hatred towards Bengie.

 

[bodiaz]

[quote="Jays_Cards":11muj293]

[quote="Jays_Cards":11muj293]

It's pretty hilarious how much you guys are overrating Bengie Molina. He is a TERRIBLE offensive catcher. Hitting 4th in the lineup of course gives him more RBI opportunities, but you can have the HRs for his absolutely atrocious OBP. Give me a Joe Mauer pre-2009 type catcher (never hit more than 13 HRs in a single season) yet was 100000000000x the offensive player that Molina ever was. Bengie flat out sucks.

Those were the ranks of the catchers last year from yahoo default fantasy baseball. Is that the end all be all? No. But it is a good representation of how the catchers OFFENSIVELY stack up.

Really...Fantasy draft position now beats out actual advanced statistics?

Slow down, take a deep breath, and re read my post. Those were the ranks based on last years overall numbers. Nothing to do with this years draft position. Last years stats only.

Again, what does fantasy draft position, projection, or anything else have to do with actual baseball? Fantasy only counts the "counting stats" BA/HR/RBI etc...It has absolutely nothing to do with how players are measured in the real world, hence "fantasy".

::facepalm:: I take it you never played fantasy baseball so I'll break it down for you. Fantasy baseball rankings are based on stats played in real games by real players. Their offensive numbers in certain categories are then averaged somehow and a ranking is given, again based on real stats from real games played. So, if those rankings are based on actual stats from actual games played by the actual players last year how are they not accurate?[/quote:11muj293]

Are you dense? Where did I say anything about the stats not being accurate? Fantasy stats are contrived, selected stats that do not encompass every aspect of baseball. Take Bengies wonderful .285 OBP last year (the second worst in the league last year of ANY qualified player.) This does not impact his fantasy value at all since OBP is not counted in fantasy baseball but significantly impacts actual baseball. Fantasy baseball only considers runs (which Bengie Molina scored the 6th fewest runs in baseball last year from all qualified players), home runs, batting average, and RBI. The only reason Bengie is valuable in fantasy is because he is a catcher who hits HRs and HRs are valuable in fantasy. San Fran had the single WORST production in all of baseball last year from the cleanup spot. Guess who it there all of last year? You can keep coming up with garbage while ignoring the real stats all you want..It doesnt change the fact that I am right.[/quote:11muj293]


You are literally too stupid to insult! Molina hit 95 RBI one year, and 20 HRs the next, those were the last 2 seasons btw. He is also a fine defense Catcher, one of the 2 most important positions on the field! He hit 3rd for the Giants just 2 years ago! How can you possibly try to argue him being the worst player in the league? Did he bang your mother or something? Why the Molina hatred? The reason I accused you of being a Posey slappy is because that is the only possible explanation. And the fact the Molina is on Fantasy baseball teams proves he cannot be the worst player. There are 100s of players on zero percent of FB teams, and alot of them do not catch for a contender! You are either too ignorant to get all of this, or more likely just a dumb MF er! Good day.

 

[matty07]

I dont know why people are going with Adam Dunn, I like the guy alot and he's a 30-100 guy every year

And he also hits .240, strikes out 200+ times every year, is the single worst defensive player in that last decade, and cannot run to save his life..You obviously asked the wrong question. Maybe try, who is the worst hitter in the league?

Overall. Adam Dunn may suck in those categories but he's still a 30-100 guy

 

[Jays_Cards]

I dont know why people are going with Adam Dunn, I like the guy alot and he's a 30-100 guy every year

And he also hits .240, strikes out 200+ times every year, is the single worst defensive player in that last decade, and cannot run to save his life..You obviously asked the wrong question. Maybe try, who is the worst hitter in the league?

Overall. Adam Dunn may suck in those categories but he's still a 30-100 guy

Yea, lets ask who is the worst player in baseball and then only count HRs and RBIs...You guys are geniuses.

 

[Jays_Cards]

[quote="Jays_Cards":29pymnfd]

[quote="Jays_Cards":29pymnfd]

[quote="matty07":29pymnfd]It's pretty hilarious how much you guys are overrating Bengie Molina. He is a TERRIBLE offensive catcher. Hitting 4th in the lineup of course gives him more RBI opportunities, but you can have the HRs for his absolutely atrocious OBP. Give me a Joe Mauer pre-2009 type catcher (never hit more than 13 HRs in a single season) yet was 100000000000x the offensive player that Molina ever was. Bengie flat out sucks.

Those were the ranks of the catchers last year from yahoo default fantasy baseball. Is that the end all be all? No. But it is a good representation of how the catchers OFFENSIVELY stack up.

Really...Fantasy draft position now beats out actual advanced statistics?

Slow down, take a deep breath, and re read my post. Those were the ranks based on last years overall numbers. Nothing to do with this years draft position. Last years stats only.

Again, what does fantasy draft position, projection, or anything else have to do with actual baseball? Fantasy only counts the "counting stats" BA/HR/RBI etc...It has absolutely nothing to do with how players are measured in the real world, hence "fantasy".

::facepalm:: I take it you never played fantasy baseball so I'll break it down for you. Fantasy baseball rankings are based on stats played in real games by real players. Their offensive numbers in certain categories are then averaged somehow and a ranking is given, again based on real stats from real games played. So, if those rankings are based on actual stats from actual games played by the actual players last year how are they not accurate?[/quote:29pymnfd]

Are you dense? Where did I say anything about the stats not being accurate? Fantasy stats are contrived, selected stats that do not encompass every aspect of baseball. Take Bengies wonderful .285 OBP last year (the second worst in the league last year of ANY qualified player.) This does not impact his fantasy value at all since OBP is not counted in fantasy baseball but significantly impacts actual baseball. Fantasy baseball only considers runs (which Bengie Molina scored the 6th fewest runs in baseball last year from all qualified players), home runs, batting average, and RBI. The only reason Bengie is valuable in fantasy is because he is a catcher who hits HRs and HRs are valuable in fantasy. San Fran had the single WORST production in all of baseball last year from the cleanup spot. Guess who it there all of last year? You can keep coming up with garbage while ignoring the real stats all you want..It doesnt change the fact that I am right.[/quote:29pymnfd]


You are literally too stupid to insult! Molina hit 95 RBI one year, and 20 HRs the next, those were the last 2 seasons btw. He is also a fine defense Catcher, one of the 2 most important positions on the field! He hit 3rd for the Giants just 2 years ago! How can you possibly try to argue him being the worst player in the league? Did he bang your mother or something? Why the Molina hatred? The reason I accused you of being a Posey slappy is because that is the only possible explanation. And the fact the Molina is on Fantasy baseball teams proves he cannot be the worst player. There are 100s of players on zero percent of FB teams, and alot of them do not catch for a contender! You are either too ignorant to get all of this, or more likely just a dumb MF er! Good day.[/quote:29pymnfd]

Im pretty sure you get a tax deduction and some social security benefits for being mentally retarded..You should check into it.

 

[matty07]

[quote="Jays_Cards":3ku23rsj]

I dont know why people are going with Adam Dunn, I like the guy alot and he's a 30-100 guy every year

And he also hits .240, strikes out 200+ times every year, is the single worst defensive player in that last decade, and cannot run to save his life..You obviously asked the wrong question. Maybe try, who is the worst hitter in the league?

Overall. Adam Dunn may suck in those categories but he's still a 30-100 guy

Yea, lets ask who is the worst player in baseball and then only count HRs and RBIs...You guys are geniuses.[/quote:3ku23rsj]


Think for a second here. Im counting every other category im just saying a guy who hits 30 HR's and 100 RBI's consistantly every year, ya he may have a poor OBP, defensively sucks but you still cant ignore the fact he is 30-100. There are certainly other players in the league who start that have **** stats in ALL!!! categories

 

[kdailey4315]

[quote="Jays_Cards":2e3pj1iq]

[quote="Jays_Cards":2e3pj1iq]

[quote="Jays_Cards":2e3pj1iq]

[quote="matty07":2e3pj1iq]It's pretty hilarious how much you guys are overrating Bengie Molina. He is a TERRIBLE offensive catcher. Hitting 4th in the lineup of course gives him more RBI opportunities, but you can have the HRs for his absolutely atrocious OBP. Give me a Joe Mauer pre-2009 type catcher (never hit more than 13 HRs in a single season) yet was 100000000000x the offensive player that Molina ever was. Bengie flat out sucks.

Those were the ranks of the catchers last year from yahoo default fantasy baseball. Is that the end all be all? No. But it is a good representation of how the catchers OFFENSIVELY stack up.

Really...Fantasy draft position now beats out actual advanced statistics?

Slow down, take a deep breath, and re read my post. Those were the ranks based on last years overall numbers. Nothing to do with this years draft position. Last years stats only.

Again, what does fantasy draft position, projection, or anything else have to do with actual baseball? Fantasy only counts the "counting stats" BA/HR/RBI etc...It has absolutely nothing to do with how players are measured in the real world, hence "fantasy".

::facepalm:: I take it you never played fantasy baseball so I'll break it down for you. Fantasy baseball rankings are based on stats played in real games by real players. Their offensive numbers in certain categories are then averaged somehow and a ranking is given, again based on real stats from real games played. So, if those rankings are based on actual stats from actual games played by the actual players last year how are they not accurate?[/quote:2e3pj1iq]

Are you dense? Where did I say anything about the stats not being accurate? Fantasy stats are contrived, selected stats that do not encompass every aspect of baseball. Take Bengies wonderful .285 OBP last year (the second worst in the league last year of ANY qualified player.) This does not impact his fantasy value at all since OBP is not counted in fantasy baseball but significantly impacts actual baseball. Fantasy baseball only considers runs (which Bengie Molina scored the 6th fewest runs in baseball last year from all qualified players), home runs, batting average, and RBI. The only reason Bengie is valuable in fantasy is because he is a catcher who hits HRs and HRs are valuable in fantasy. San Fran had the single WORST production in all of baseball last year from the cleanup spot. Guess who it there all of last year? You can keep coming up with garbage while ignoring the real stats all you want..It doesnt change the fact that I am right.[/quote:2e3pj1iq]


You are literally too stupid to insult! Molina hit 95 RBI one year, and 20 HRs the next, those were the last 2 seasons btw. He is also a fine defense Catcher, one of the 2 most important positions on the field! He hit 3rd for the Giants just 2 years ago! How can you possibly try to argue him being the worst player in the league? Did he bang your mother or something? Why the Molina hatred? The reason I accused you of being a Posey slappy is because that is the only possible explanation. And the fact the Molina is on Fantasy baseball teams proves he cannot be the worst player. There are 100s of players on zero percent of FB teams, and alot of them do not catch for a contender! You are either too ignorant to get all of this, or more likely just a dumb MF er! Good day.[/quote:2e3pj1iq]

Im pretty sure you get a tax deduction and some social security benefits for being mentally retarded..You should check into it.[/quote:2e3pj1iq]

First of all your a frackin tool ********** for taking it to that level. Second of all the league where I got those stats from actually counted OBP as a stat. Face it. Bengie Molina is not one of the wrost everyday player in baseball and he's not even the worst catcher. Provide some actual stats to prove me wrong or STFU.

 

[matty07]

When I started this thread I didnt think it would get this heated...I LOVE IT!!!!!!

 

[kdailey4315]

When I started this thread I didnt think it would get this heated...I LOVE IT!!!!!!

Sorry I get a little heated when people have to take it to a "mentally challenged" level.

 

[matty07]

When I started this thread I didnt think it would get this heated...I LOVE IT!!!!!!

Sorry I get a little heated when people have to take it to a "mentally challenged" level.

HAHAHA its all good man I dont mind it at all when people get heated it keeps things interested

 

[KandKCards]

Brett Gardner. No clue what he's doing anywhere near an MLB roster, especially one with a $200M payroll.

 

[kdailey4315]

Brett Gardner. No clue what he's doing anywhere near an MLB roster, especially one with a $200M payroll.

They just need someone to take up space until they sign Crawford.