magicpapa
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Discipline is a choice. Its simply consistently choosing the hard right over the easy wrong
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Discipline is a choice. Its simply consistently choosing the hard right over the easy wrong
Yes I would agree but to call someone something there not because there selling somewhere other than ebay on items listed on ebay saying there stealing or a thief is not right in my book, Those are harsh words and a big reason why I wanted to say my piece. I have sold items off ebay after listing them I would not say a lot. I listed a Jeter card Jared needed and won we could have worked out a deal off ebay but we didn't and I kept the listing up and he won but there have been times if the offer was good enough I didn't have an issue pulling an item to sell through paypal again there few a far between as most items I list on ebay as an auction I don't care for and let them ride. Sometimes I win and sometimes I lose. I don't feel anyone here is a thief or stealing so when I hear a person argue that they are I am going to say what I feel. Change the words up is all I ask as I don't feel what he is calling people is the nice thing to say. I am sure everyone of us has broken ebay policy I am guilty of it mostly on the buying aspect than selling as I will ask a member if he would take so much money as a Buy It Now and sometimes they say yes but through paypal. I want the card and don't have an issue buying through paypal if it will get me the card I want. I don't consider that seller a thief for wanting to maximize his profit on a card he wants to sell and if I get it our transaction is complete.
If they were stealing they would be in jail and ebay is paid a fee I give them $20.00 a month plus final value fee of items sold so that $20.00 is to show what I have for sale if I decide to sell off ebay it's my opinion and I have already paid them to list items I am still charged if I sell 0 items or 250 items on my ebay store. You will lose this argument every time as ebay policy is not a law so nothing has been broken to be put in jail so no one has stolen anything from ebay as they used their service for their advantage if it means selling though them or using them to draw attention to sell off ebay for a price both the buyer and seller can agree on. If I didn't know any better you work for ebay so you will say things like people are stealing or thieves instead of people are breaking ebay policy as it seems more harsh and wrong if you use words like that. I am sure I can contact my brother who is a lawyer and get his opinion if it's considered stealing and he will laugh at you. Please tell me how many people went to jail listing items on ebay and then selling them off ebay I will tell you none so they didn't break any laws only ebay policy at best.
Yes I would agree but to call someone something there not because there selling somewhere other than ebay on items listed on ebay saying there stealing or a thief is not right in my book, Those are harsh words and a big reason why I wanted to say my piece. I have sold items off ebay after listing them I would not say a lot. I listed a Jeter card Jared needed and won we could have worked out a deal off ebay but we didn't and I kept the listing up and he won but there have been times if the offer was good enough I didn't have an issue pulling an item to sell through paypal again there few a far between as most items I list on ebay as an auction I don't care for and let them ride. Sometimes I win and sometimes I lose. I don't feel anyone here is a thief or stealing so when I hear a person argue that they are I am going to say what I feel. Change the words up is all I ask as I don't feel what he is calling people is the nice thing to say. I am sure everyone of us has broken ebay policy I am guilty of it mostly on the buying aspect than selling as I will ask a member if he would take so much money as a Buy It Now and sometimes they say yes but through paypal. I want the card and don't have an issue buying through paypal if it will get me the card I want. I don't consider that seller a thief for wanting to maximize his profit on a card he wants to sell and if I get it our transaction is complete.
Should you be called a thief if you send Paypal as gift and get a card in return? I think there are quite a few people here who do that as well.
I will make another point so I sold and got paid $1500.00 through ebay and a card that sold for $2000.00 that was unpaid my seller fees are still $350.00 until he gets his 10 days to respond so I could be paying them $200.00 additional dollars for an item that didn't sell. Is it right for ebay to put the fees on the invoice before the item is paid for. So you are saying they are stealing from me even if it's for a short time. I don't consider it stealing but others might.
Not sure if a lot of you are aware of this but this is done on a daily basis by companies all over the world. Cutting the middle man out to avoid extra cost is done all the time. I'm in purchasing and I do this everyday. Contracting a truck to pick up a load via a broker and getting the trucking companies information when they drop off, having items drop shipped to get the address it comes from to buy direct instead of going with a vendor. Our company does it all the time and companies do it to us all the time. None of this is new and its a common practice in the business world.
But the above statement is no different than calling someone who does this a Thief....
"Dilferules"
"By this logic it's okay to shoplift from Wal-Mart because they don't pay their workers much and sell products made in questionable circumstances in China?"
Called it like shoplifting from Walmart again all items you list you own so how can you steal when you own it?
"Dilferules"
"How would using a service and not paying for it not be acrime? Please answer that. I have no idea why ebay doesn't take it to court. I could speculate that their bottom line would be more hurt by banning a lot ofsellers than the few bucks here and there they'd get back from the FVF's. Itd oesn't make it right to do it."
It can’t be a crime as you own it so all they can do is kick you off ebay and if they did that to everyone who sells of ebay every once in awhile they would lose more as less people to bid on items so less final value fees on items sold.
"Dilferules"
"You are using a service and not paying for it. I guess I'mjust a total idiot for believing that's stealing. Stupid me actually paying forstuff when I can get away with not doing it. BRB gotta find some people to partner up with on my Netflix and mlb.tv subscriptions."
You again use something that has nothing to do with what this is about Netflix provides a service to watch and view movies and has a monthly price for it. Ebay will milk every penny it can on items that sell on their website if there was a set price or a monthly fee then more people would not skip the middleman and they would get a lot more sales. No matter what you say if you say someone is stealing something you are calling them a thief. I know someone mentioned this it might have not been you but they both have the same meaning
Dictionary.com
Stealing=to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, especially secretly or by force
Thief=a person who steals something from another
So you’re saying the same thing and I am sure you would not like to be called either name as no one else would like it. Selling an item you own no matter if you had it listed on ebay and ended it to sell another way doesn’t warrant stealing because you decided to sell elsewhere. I am sure you’re not going to change your opinion and neither will I or anyone else who feel they can sell an item they own anyway they want to even if they use ebay to promote the item.
My point in bringing that up was I have yet to see you slam ebay for literally stealing from sellers, yet you are slamming sellers for "stealing" from ebay, when they aren't. It wasn't a validation for selling off ebay, it was me calling you out for hypocrisy.
This thread is not discussing ebay stealing from people, it's discussing people avoiding FVF's by selling off ebay and whether that is "stealing", merely unethical or immoral, or there's nothing wrong with it at all. Why would I bring up whether or not ebay steals from people, that's totally irrelevant to the issue being discussed. If somebody wants to create a "slam ebay" thread it'd probably be a pretty interesting read.
Unless a transaction actually happens on ebay, a listing fee is the only funds they have any right to. They don't own a "possibility" of a transaction. When you end a listing, ebay is immediately taken out of the equation and they no longer have rights to any sale money from your property. You essentially ended your agreement. No laws were broken. It's not theft. It's not stealing. It's an end to an agreement and what happens to your property after that is none of their business.
It's not relevant that ebay regularly steals from sellers by hiding their listings that they paid to have seen? We are talking about ebay and ebay sellers here. It's not as though I brought up another company. Of course it's relevant. ebay steals from sellers. Why don't you care?
Because what difference does it make, other than to justify stealing from them and make yourself feel better? I'm not talking about ebay's merits as a company or any other situation at all other than a seller avoiding FVF's.
If there's a law you don't like do you argue about why it's wrong, or do you argue about all the other bad things the government does? Because at some point it becomes you arguing against the government (or ebay in this case) and not the specific thing we're talking about.
An objective take would be 'that's horrible that they do that to sellers'. Yours is just to completely ignore it and carry-on and on about sellers ending items being "stealing". You are being completely biased and I believe it hurts and invalidates your arguments. Why should anyone care about your opinion on sellers figuratively "stealing" from ebay when you seemingly couldn't care less about ebay literally stealing from sellers.
Because the topic is specifically whether sellers ending an item early to avoid FVF is stealing, which has absolutely nothing to do with what you're talking about. You are talking about something completely outside the specific issue to try to divert this into an emotional argument against big bad ebay, and by not taking the bait I'm "biased". There's no bias because those lawsuits have ZERO to do with whether or not this is stealing, and I'm not nor have I ever in these threads made an argument for or against ebay as a whole.