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andyduke86
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Re: Majority rules NO HOF for Damon, how about these guys?
I voted no for all.
I voted no for all.
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pujolsthomefan33
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Re: Majority rules NO HOF for Damon, how about these guys?
Dont know how Thome is even considered on the fence at all by anyone....biased or not 500 hrs, no steroids = IN, LOCK!!!
Too early really to tell with Holliday....he could start putting up some BIG numbers if he gets resigned long term batting behind Pujols.
The others are at best on the bubble, but again, they were really good, just too many players in this era that were a lot better....
TK
Dont know how Thome is even considered on the fence at all by anyone....biased or not 500 hrs, no steroids = IN, LOCK!!!
Too early really to tell with Holliday....he could start putting up some BIG numbers if he gets resigned long term batting behind Pujols.
The others are at best on the bubble, but again, they were really good, just too many players in this era that were a lot better....
TK
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Re: Majority rules NO HOF for Damon, how about these guys?
If it was based on my opinions on who should be in the Hall, I'd say no to all. More likely though, Thome will make it (with 600 or so homers) and Berkman and Helton will get real consideration when it is all said and done. Again, IMO none should make it.
If it was based on my opinions on who should be in the Hall, I'd say no to all. More likely though, Thome will make it (with 600 or so homers) and Berkman and Helton will get real consideration when it is all said and done. Again, IMO none should make it.
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Re: Majority rules NO HOF for Damon, how about these guys?
YOu have to let Thome in!! There is no reason why he should not be. He is one of this era's sluggers with over 500 hr's who appeared to have done it the natural way. He has kept hitting them so I think he deserves inclusion to the hall.
YOu have to let Thome in!! There is no reason why he should not be. He is one of this era's sluggers with over 500 hr's who appeared to have done it the natural way. He has kept hitting them so I think he deserves inclusion to the hall.
andyduke86
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Re: Majority rules NO HOF for Damon, how about these guys?
500 HR doesn't mean nearly what it used to. 600 is the new 500.
I don't think anyone can say that Thome has been one of the 2 or 3 best first basemen in baseball during his career.
500 HR doesn't mean nearly what it used to. 600 is the new 500.
I don't think anyone can say that Thome has been one of the 2 or 3 best first basemen in baseball during his career.
pujolsthomefan33
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Re: Majority rules NO HOF for Damon, how about these guys?
As of right now, 500 HR does mean what it used to, moreso if you have NOT been linked to steroids ever.
And yes in the Early and Mid 90's Thome was on of the top THIRD BASEMEN in the American League......
And since 95, he has always been in my top 5 Sluggers in the majors...
TK
andyduke86 said:
As of right now, 500 HR does mean what it used to, moreso if you have NOT been linked to steroids ever.
And yes in the Early and Mid 90's Thome was on of the top THIRD BASEMEN in the American League......
And since 95, he has always been in my top 5 Sluggers in the majors...
TK
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andyduke86
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Re: Majority rules NO HOF for Damon, how about these guys?
Thome has played over 100 more games at DH than 3B and more than twice as many at first than third. Also interesting that he has about 150 more HR than doubles.
Thome has played over 100 more games at DH than 3B and more than twice as many at first than third. Also interesting that he has about 150 more HR than doubles.
pujolsthomefan33
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Re: Majority rules NO HOF for Damon, how about these guys?
Here is some more info to further Jim Thome as a HOF lock......
In his career to date (through September 30, 2008), Thome has a .560 slugging percentage, and a .406 on-base percentage. He is considered one of the most complete power hitters of his era due to his ability to create extra base hits, maintain a solid batting average for a power hitter (his career batting average is .279), and ability to get on base. Despite this he is still very prone to striking out. He is #3 in the all time list of strikeouts for a batter, and the #1 active player.
Thome has been named Player of the Month three times: July 2001, September 2003 and June 2004. He is one of only six players to be named Player of the Month in each league (Vladimir Guerrero, Fred McGriff, Mark McGwire, Gaylord Perry and Dave Winfield are the others).
Jim Thome has the fourth-lowest career AB/HR (at bats per home run) average in major-league history. His 13.68 (about 1 HR every 14 times he comes to bat) is eclipsed only by Mark McGwire (10.61), Babe Ruth (11.76), and Barry Bonds (12.90). Stretching behind Thome, all with averages greater than 14, are such hall-of-famers as Ralph Kiner, Harmon Killebrew, Ted Williams, Mickey Mantle, Jimmie Foxx, and Mike Schmidt, in that order.
Only 12 major league players have more career walks than Thome.
Batting average .278
Hits 2,112
Home runs 562
Runs batted in 1,557
Base on balls 1,615
According to Baseball Reference--similar players
1. Carlos Delgado (872)
2. Willie McCovey (853) *
3. Harmon Killebrew (842) *
4. Willie Stargell (840) *
5. Mickey Mantle (838) *
6. Jeff Bagwell (836)
7. Frank Thomas (836)
8. Mike Schmidt (834) *
9. Fred McGriff (829)
10. Manny Ramirez (828)
* - Signifies Hall of Famer
Here is some more info to further Jim Thome as a HOF lock......
In his career to date (through September 30, 2008), Thome has a .560 slugging percentage, and a .406 on-base percentage. He is considered one of the most complete power hitters of his era due to his ability to create extra base hits, maintain a solid batting average for a power hitter (his career batting average is .279), and ability to get on base. Despite this he is still very prone to striking out. He is #3 in the all time list of strikeouts for a batter, and the #1 active player.
Thome has been named Player of the Month three times: July 2001, September 2003 and June 2004. He is one of only six players to be named Player of the Month in each league (Vladimir Guerrero, Fred McGriff, Mark McGwire, Gaylord Perry and Dave Winfield are the others).
Jim Thome has the fourth-lowest career AB/HR (at bats per home run) average in major-league history. His 13.68 (about 1 HR every 14 times he comes to bat) is eclipsed only by Mark McGwire (10.61), Babe Ruth (11.76), and Barry Bonds (12.90). Stretching behind Thome, all with averages greater than 14, are such hall-of-famers as Ralph Kiner, Harmon Killebrew, Ted Williams, Mickey Mantle, Jimmie Foxx, and Mike Schmidt, in that order.
Only 12 major league players have more career walks than Thome.
Batting average .278
Hits 2,112
Home runs 562
Runs batted in 1,557
Base on balls 1,615
According to Baseball Reference--similar players
1. Carlos Delgado (872)
2. Willie McCovey (853) *
3. Harmon Killebrew (842) *
4. Willie Stargell (840) *
5. Mickey Mantle (838) *
6. Jeff Bagwell (836)
7. Frank Thomas (836)
8. Mike Schmidt (834) *
9. Fred McGriff (829)
10. Manny Ramirez (828)
* - Signifies Hall of Famer
markakis8
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Re: Majority rules NO HOF for Damon, how about these guys?
I voted no b/c he's playing in his 6th MLB season....really hard to gauge HOF only 5 1/2 seasons.
That's like asking if you think David Wright or Hanley Ramirez should be in the HOF....
I voted no b/c he's playing in his 6th MLB season....really hard to gauge HOF only 5 1/2 seasons.
That's like asking if you think David Wright or Hanley Ramirez should be in the HOF....
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Re: Majority rules NO HOF for Damon, how about these guys?
How about Edgar Renteria,this guy has quietly put up good #'s.If he plays another 4-5 years,i believe he gets some serious consideration.
How about Edgar Renteria,this guy has quietly put up good #'s.If he plays another 4-5 years,i believe he gets some serious consideration.
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Re: Majority rules NO HOF for Damon, how about these guys?
Thome is almost a lock, as he has never been accused of steroid usage, and I would think Helton (who has over .300 career average) should be a lock too.
The rest are iffy at best
Thome is almost a lock, as he has never been accused of steroid usage, and I would think Helton (who has over .300 career average) should be a lock too.
The rest are iffy at best
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Re: Majority rules NO HOF for Damon, how about these guys?
Agree...when the player is barely half way to being eligable for consideration that's kind of stretching the conversation.
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Agree...when the player is barely half way to being eligable for consideration that's kind of stretching the conversation.
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pujolsthomefan33
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Re: Majority rules NO HOF for Damon, how about these guys?
I presume we are still talking about Holliday here.......Mike, I think at this point it depends on where Holliday ends up after the season is over......he stays with the Cardinals or goes to another team where he fits well, he will continue to post some HUGE numbers......if he ends up somewhere like Oakland again, forget it.
TK
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I presume we are still talking about Holliday here.......Mike, I think at this point it depends on where Holliday ends up after the season is over......he stays with the Cardinals or goes to another team where he fits well, he will continue to post some HUGE numbers......if he ends up somewhere like Oakland again, forget it.
TK
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The only player I voted no for was Holliday....I think Thome is a lock & Berkman is 2nd closest on that list to him. Helton & L.Walker are very solid but I believe they are more "borderline", though I still voted they would get in (as I think the caliber player each of them are/were will sway the good grace's of the voter's to induct them).
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Re: Majority rules NO HOF for Damon, how about these guys?
I think if Holliday continues his current course, St Louis will not let him go...JMO. He also started picking up steam on A's before he was picked up by the cards. I think the main reason he had a bad start was because he played so long for one team...it takes awhile to adjust, and with his numbers, I am sure he will adjust no matter where he goes and be a dominating figure. I think he is the biggest sleeper out there right now, and is just now getting some attention.
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I think if Holliday continues his current course, St Louis will not let him go...JMO. He also started picking up steam on A's before he was picked up by the cards. I think the main reason he had a bad start was because he played so long for one team...it takes awhile to adjust, and with his numbers, I am sure he will adjust no matter where he goes and be a dominating figure. I think he is the biggest sleeper out there right now, and is just now getting some attention.
no on all but Thome, and that is dependent on whether he had a clean career. Not too sure why Holliday's even on this list as he's not had the career length of the others. I understand speculating about whether he'll put up the necessary numbers to be a HOF candidate, but I think that belongs in an entirely different poll.
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