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Simple question. Which statistic best exemplifies a batter's overall value to the game of baseball? Please explain your choice.
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ROLLTIDE4LIFE
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Runs created
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ROLLTIDE4LIFE said:
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LOL at all of the people voting RBI.
TomMurry
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I read the Sports Illustrated article about WAR rating. When they gave the MLB's most valuable player based on that rating, I wouldnt have guessed with 100 tries.
Hallsgator
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Gotta be runs created. That's the whole goal of an offensive player, to create and score runs.
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Shouldn't OPS or adjusted OPS be it? If you're OPS sucks you're not creating runs. If you have a high OBS you're on base a lot to score runs and if your slugging is up there then that means your driving in runs with a lot of extra base hits. It appears to me that runs created is a byproduct of OPS. I could be wrong though. Not the first time.
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But OPS only takes hits into account. Runs Created takes all this into account.kdailey4315 said:
RC = \frac{(H+BB-CS+HBP-GIDP) \times (TB+(.26 \times (BB - IBB + HBP)) + (.52 \times (SH + SF + SB)))}{AB+BB+HBP+SH+SF}
where BB is base on balls, CS is caught stealing, HBP is hit by pitch, GIDP is grounded into double play, TB is total bases, IBB is intentional base on balls, SH is sacrifice hit, SF is sacrifice fly, and AB is at bats.
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Codasco07 said:
I said "batter's overall value", not player's overall value.
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I'm a huge nerd but honestly, nine times out of 10, OPS will get you where you need to go. Tell me how often he gets on base and what magical percent of a base he gets to and call it a day.
The major problem with advanced baseball metrics is keeping the math simple enough and keeping linear regressions to a minimum.
The simplier the baseball statistic the better, IMHO.
The major problem with advanced baseball metrics is keeping the math simple enough and keeping linear regressions to a minimum.
The simplier the baseball statistic the better, IMHO.
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Not sure how something objective like this would make sense as a poll question. If 200 people voted that hits were the most important stat, it would still be very clear to anyone who is willing to take an objective look that hits are far from the most useful stat.
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pigskincardboard said:
I'm with you on this. Runs created depends too much on the rest of the team, and where you are hitting in the lineup. Those are two variables you can't control as a hitter.
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Topnotchsy said:
Kind of the purpose of a poll, to see what the majority's opinion is.
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Got it. My misunderstanding. I thought you were hoping to find out what actually is the most telling stat, not what people thought was the most telling stat. Carry on then...sportscardtheory said:
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Hallsgator said:
I'm confused. OBP = H+BB+HBP/AB+BB+SF+HBP How does OPS only account for hits?
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nborton said:
I think you're misunderstanding RC. It attempts to do exactly the opposite; Runs, RBI, etc. dictate what you're suggesting.
I'm simply saying when you start defining constants in a formula -- HR = 3.73 -- you run the risk of over-complicating the metric and making it useless to the general public.
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pigskincardboard said:
:lol: ::facepalm:: I was not thinking straight. I saw it as actual runs created. That was my bad. I should be getting to sleep. Your totally right. The RC formula is probably one of the simpler formulas out there.
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sportscardtheory said:
Damn... this is some in depth stat crunching going on here :lol:, I like slugging + OBP myself....when I think value... I think longball, people are always looking for the HR hitter that is not one dimensional which is where the OBP comes into play. This is where the $$ is at...not the "all around" run producers these guys often are waaaay undervalued. Power will always be KING the when it comes to evaluating hitters, however only in conjunction with high OBP to support they are by no means all or nothing hitters IMO.
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agreed but my computer lagged and voted batting average..lol i would've chose that nextJays_Cards said:
