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Simple question. Which statistic best exemplifies a batter's overall value to the game of baseball? Please explain your choice.
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But OPS only takes hits into account. Runs Created takes all this into account.kdailey4315 said:Shouldn't OPS or adjusted OPS be it? If you're OPS sucks you're not creating runs. If you have a high OBS you're on base a lot to score runs and if your slugging is up there then that means your driving in runs with a lot of extra base hits. It appears to me that runs created is a byproduct of OPS. I could be wrong though. Not the first time.
Codasco07 said:If you're looking for offensive value, you should restate the question. For overall value, the answer has to be WAR.
pigskincardboard said:I'm a huge nerd but honestly, nine times out of 10, OPS will get you where you need to go. Tell me how often he gets on base and what magical percent of a base he gets to and call it a day.
The major problem with advanced baseball metrics is keeping the math simple enough and keeping linear regressions to a minimum.
The simplier the baseball statistic the better, IMHO.
Topnotchsy said:Not sure how something objective like this would make sense as a poll question. If 200 people voted that hits were the most important stat, it would still be very clear to anyone who is willing to take an objective look that hits are far from the most useful stat.
Got it. My misunderstanding. I thought you were hoping to find out what actually is the most telling stat, not what people thought was the most telling stat. Carry on then...sportscardtheory said:Topnotchsy said:Not sure how something objective like this would make sense as a poll question. If 200 people voted that hits were the most important stat, it would still be very clear to anyone who is willing to take an objective look that hits are far from the most useful stat.
Kind of the purpose of a poll, to see what the majority's opinion is.
Hallsgator said:But OPS only takes hits into account. Runs Created takes all this into account.kdailey4315 said:Shouldn't OPS or adjusted OPS be it? If you're OPS sucks you're not creating runs. If you have a high OBS you're on base a lot to score runs and if your slugging is up there then that means your driving in runs with a lot of extra base hits. It appears to me that runs created is a byproduct of OPS. I could be wrong though. Not the first time.
RC = \frac{(H+BB-CS+HBP-GIDP) \times (TB+(.26 \times (BB - IBB + HBP)) + (.52 \times (SH + SF + SB)))}{AB+BB+HBP+SH+SF}
where BB is base on balls, CS is caught stealing, HBP is hit by pitch, GIDP is grounded into double play, TB is total bases, IBB is intentional base on balls, SH is sacrifice hit, SF is sacrifice fly, and AB is at bats.
nborton said:pigskincardboard said:I'm a huge nerd but honestly, nine times out of 10, OPS will get you where you need to go. Tell me how often he gets on base and what magical percent of a base he gets to and call it a day.
The major problem with advanced baseball metrics is keeping the math simple enough and keeping linear regressions to a minimum.
The simplier the baseball statistic the better, IMHO.
I'm with you on this. Runs created depends too much on the rest of the team, and where you are hitting in the lineup. Those are two variables you can't control as a hitter.
pigskincardboard said:nborton said:pigskincardboard said:I'm a huge nerd but honestly, nine times out of 10, OPS will get you where you need to go. Tell me how often he gets on base and what magical percent of a base he gets to and call it a day.
The major problem with advanced baseball metrics is keeping the math simple enough and keeping linear regressions to a minimum.
The simplier the baseball statistic the better, IMHO.
I'm with you on this. Runs created depends too much on the rest of the team, and where you are hitting in the lineup. Those are two variables you can't control as a hitter.
I think you're misunderstanding RC. It attempts to do exactly the opposite; Runs, RBI, etc. dictate what you're suggesting.
I'm simply saying when you start defining constants in a formula -- HR = 3.73 -- you run the risk of over-complicating the metric and making it useless to the general public.
sportscardtheory said:Simple question. Which statistic best exemplifies a batter's overall value to the game of baseball? Please explain your choice.
agreed but my computer lagged and voted batting average..lol i would've chose that nextJays_Cards said: