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bouwob said:

Just some random thoughts.


How is the price point determined. All costs associated with buying the cards will be payed for by by the people buying the cards so would the entry price be

((price of case + cost of shipping) / number of slots) + paypal fee

Price point of $145 * 21 = $3,045. Cases will be about $2,800-2,900. Extra covers the cost of supplies, & my time to track everything and sell it all on ebay.

How will shipping price on cards be determined. Potentially (especially with cards that sell for less than $10) a good majority of the revenue is gained from the shipping price addition. If you charge $3.50 for s&h it will likely only cost $2.50 with dc, supplies and fees to send every card out. Where does the addition dollar end up? May not seem like much, but if you sell 100 cards, this could amount to $4 or $5 per entry.

I will charge $2.00 for single cards to be shipped in bubble mailers with D/C, which cost me just about $2.00 in postage. I already stated above, I'm not looking to make any money on shipping and should I end up with any extra dollars from shipping costs, I will split any extra income from that amongst all the break participants.

Do auction titles have to be approved by all participants? A great title can double the amount of views the auction gets compared to a not so great title.

No. The titles will be left to my discretion. That said, after more than 10 years selling experience on ebay, I think I got a pretty good grasp on what makes a good title.

What happens if something is returned. You sell everything, cash everyone out then 15 days later somebody disputes a $100 card and wins. How will this work out? Will all of the participants be forced to send you $5 after its all said and done or do you just eat the costs?

I don't accept returns so it's not an issue and everything will go with D/C, so there will be no disputes. Nobody will be asked to send me any additional money after the initial payments are made.

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highphat said:

Price point of $145 * 21 = $3,045. Cases will be about $2,800-2,900. Extra covers the cost of supplies, & my time to track everything and sell it all on ebay.

It appears that cases can be had for as low as $2300-2400. If you can get it for the same, woud it lower the buy in?

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boomo said:

are all 5 cards per box sell-a-bull?
i would think base cards might go without a 99 cent bid

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lavatrna said:

I like the product and might be interested in a "real" casebreak but I just do not get this concept.

In the most likely case I will pay 150$ and get 100$ (in cash) back in return? Isn't it a better feeling to get some actual product (attractive cards) back, so that it doesn't hurt that much?

I guess it is only for gamblers not for collectors. But for gamblers you not only reduce the cost but also the reward. If you happen to pull a 1000$ card on top of having to break even with the rest of the case, everybody gets 40$? That wouldn't be worth it for me.

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mburgin said:

i'm going to get highly flamed for this so i will only post once in this thread and not be reading any of the replies.

this is by no means anything against the OP but this is absolutley one of the dumbest ideas i've ever heard. if you want to watch a high dollar case busted, why not just look on youtube. it makes absolutely NO sense to pay any money into a case and let someone else enjoy busting it. while the concept of andrew's breaks and the way he does it may or may not yield a high dollar card, at least someone gets to keep the high dollar card and most people get "something" from the break for their money. this concept of breaking a case and then selling everything is just a crazy idea and an absolute horrible chance at gambling. you would have a better chance looking for a return off a lottery ticket than making money on a case such as this IMO.

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xcantgobackx said:

lavatrna said:

I like the product and might be interested in a "real" casebreak but I just do not get this concept.

In the most likely case I will pay 150$ and get 100$ (in cash) back in return? Isn't it a better feeling to get some actual product (attractive cards) back, so that it doesn't hurt that much?

I guess it is only for gamblers not for collectors. But for gamblers you not only reduce the cost but also the reward. If you happen to pull a 1000$ card on top of having to break even with the rest of the case, everybody gets 40$? That wouldn't be worth it for me.

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Agreed, no offense, as some might be into this idea. But what if you pull a card that you really want to keep? I don't want to have to now bid against someone for it.

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Bill Menard said:

xcantgobackx said:

lavatrna said:

I like the product and might be interested in a "real" casebreak but I just do not get this concept.

In the most likely case I will pay 150$ and get 100$ (in cash) back in return? Isn't it a better feeling to get some actual product (attractive cards) back, so that it doesn't hurt that much?

I guess it is only for gamblers not for collectors. But for gamblers you not only reduce the cost but also the reward. If you happen to pull a 1000$ card on top of having to break even with the rest of the case, everybody gets 40$? That wouldn't be worth it for me.

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Agreed, no offense, as some might be into this idea. But what if you pull a card that you really want to keep? I don't want to have to now bid against someone for it.

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Just out of curiosity, but what would you do in Andrew's break when he busts a 2003 Bowman Chrome box, hit's a Hanley Ramirez Gold Refractor and you had the Mets? You wouldn't be able to get it unless the go who had the Redsox - a) sells it you (either on the board or ebay - no difference there to the concept of what I'm suggesting) or b) trades with you.

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Bill Menard said:

mburgin said:

i'm going to get highly flamed for this so i will only post once in this thread and not be reading any of the replies.

this is by no means anything against the OP but this is absolutley one of the dumbest ideas i've ever heard. if you want to watch a high dollar case busted, why not just look on youtube. it makes absolutely NO sense to pay any money into a case and let someone else enjoy busting it. while the concept of andrew's breaks and the way he does it may or may not yield a high dollar card, at least someone gets to keep the high dollar card and most people get "something" from the break for their money. this concept of breaking a case and then selling everything is just a crazy idea and an absolute horrible chance at gambling. you would have a better chance looking for a return off a lottery ticket than making money on a case such as this IMO.

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You aren't going to get flamed... You are entitled to your opinion. While I couldn't disagree more with your response, I do appreciate your opinion and your honesty. Fact is, I've busted MANY high end cases for the shear sake of the gamble and hopes of getting a big money card and I have hit them many a time. I also respectfully disagree with your assessment of Andrew's break method, especially on high dollar product, which, for me, is the real fun of breaking wax. You aren't guaranteed to get anything. In fact, you might get crap, which I've gotten TWICE on a $125 investment. I got nothin back. That's not a complaint, and I'm not looking to go in a direction of "well you knew wha you were getting into." YES, I did; and I had a lot of fun with it. I'm just sayin, I'd of liked to of had a chance at a share of the overall case rather than the Team Tandum of the Reds #'d to 150 that I'll get $.99 cents for on ebay. So wouldn't it have been better off for me in this situation to have gotten 1/30th of the overall sales price of all the items pulled from the case? You betcha.

Justin, welcome to the case break - Only need 20 more gamblers like you and I

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justinmandawg said:

Bill Menard said:

xcantgobackx said:

lavatrna said:

I like the product and might be interested in a "real" casebreak but I just do not get this concept.

In the most likely case I will pay 150$ and get 100$ (in cash) back in return? Isn't it a better feeling to get some actual product (attractive cards) back, so that it doesn't hurt that much?

I guess it is only for gamblers not for collectors. But for gamblers you not only reduce the cost but also the reward. If you happen to pull a 1000$ card on top of having to break even with the rest of the case, everybody gets 40$? That wouldn't be worth it for me.

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Agreed, no offense, as some might be into this idea. But what if you pull a card that you really want to keep? I don't want to have to now bid against someone for it.

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Just out of curiosity, but what would you do in Andrew's break when he busts a 2003 Bowman Chrome box, hit's a Hanley Ramirez Gold Refractor and you had the Mets? You wouldn't be able to get it unless the go who had the Redsox - a) sells it you (either on the board or ebay - no difference there to the concept of what I'm suggesting) or b) trades with you.

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Bill would you be interested in possibly just splitting a case and selling to recoup. I don't want to keep any cards etc.

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Bill Menard said:

justinmandawg said:

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xcantgobackx said:

lavatrna said:

I like the product and might be interested in a "real" casebreak but I just do not get this concept.

In the most likely case I will pay 150$ and get 100$ (in cash) back in return? Isn't it a better feeling to get some actual product (attractive cards) back, so that it doesn't hurt that much?

I guess it is only for gamblers not for collectors. But for gamblers you not only reduce the cost but also the reward. If you happen to pull a 1000$ card on top of having to break even with the rest of the case, everybody gets 40$? That wouldn't be worth it for me.

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Agreed, no offense, as some might be into this idea. But what if you pull a card that you really want to keep? I don't want to have to now bid against someone for it.

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Just out of curiosity, but what would you do in Andrew's break when he busts a 2003 Bowman Chrome box, hit's a Hanley Ramirez Gold Refractor and you had the Mets? You wouldn't be able to get it unless the go who had the Redsox - a) sells it you (either on the board or ebay - no difference there to the concept of what I'm suggesting) or b) trades with you.

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Bill would you be interested in possibly just splitting a case and selling to recoup. I don't want to keep any cards etc.

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mburgin said:

Bill Menard said:

mburgin said:

i'm going to get highly flamed for this so i will only post once in this thread and not be reading any of the replies.

this is by no means anything against the OP but this is absolutley one of the dumbest ideas i've ever heard. if you want to watch a high dollar case busted, why not just look on youtube. it makes absolutely NO sense to pay any money into a case and let someone else enjoy busting it. while the concept of andrew's breaks and the way he does it may or may not yield a high dollar card, at least someone gets to keep the high dollar card and most people get "something" from the break for their money. this concept of breaking a case and then selling everything is just a crazy idea and an absolute horrible chance at gambling. you would have a better chance looking for a return off a lottery ticket than making money on a case such as this IMO.

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You aren't going to get flamed... You are entitled to your opinion. While I couldn't disagree more with your response, I do appreciate your opinion and your honesty. Fact is, I've busted MANY high end cases for the shear sake of the gamble and hopes of getting a big money card and I have hit them many a time. I also respectfully disagree with your assessment of Andrew's break method, especially on high dollar product, which, for me, is the real fun of breaking wax. You aren't guaranteed to get anything. In fact, you might get crap, which I've gotten TWICE on a $125 investment. I got nothin back. That's not a complaint, and I'm not looking to go in a direction of "well you knew wha you were getting into." YES, I did; and I had a lot of fun with it. I'm just sayin, I'd of liked to of had a chance at a share of the overall case rather than the Team Tandum of the Reds #'d to 150 that I'll get $.99 cents for on ebay. So wouldn't it have been better off for me in this situation to have gotten 1/30th of the overall sales price of all the items pulled from the case? You betcha.

Justin, welcome to the case break - Only need 20 more gamblers like you and I

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i know i said i wouldn't post again i do want to say thanks for allowing me to express my opinion and not flaming me. my biggest thing on this i guess is just mixed emotions. while this is nothing against you as a person or poster, i just can't understand the concept of paying that much money for someone else to get the thrill out of opening a high end product only to sit on the sidelines and watch. to me, its like standing at the card shop and watching someone spend alot of money on a product and not walk out the door with anything. to me, i would atleast like the opportunity to have a shot at owning a babe ruth cuth autograph instead of having to sell it and split the money.

i think over the internet that words are offen mistaken for what we actually feel so please let me stress that this is not an attack on you or anyone else but more a feeling of mixed emotions on this particular idea of a case break in general.

mike

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