Altered Goodwin Presidential Masterpiece?

P_Manning 18 · Jan 26, 2012

I was doing a search for any newly listed Goodwin Presidential Masterpieces and noticed the Thomas Jefferson 3/10 was up. The seller listed it as a 1/1 because Jefferson was the 3rd President. The #3 looks a little off. Kinda looks like they altered another number by writing over the top of it so they could sell for more since it was 3/10. It could just be a minor mistake by the person who hand wrote the serial numbers.

Does this look altered?

Here is the James K Polk 3/10.....

And the Theodore Roosevelt 3/10.....

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Anyone else have a 3/10?? Both of mine are 6/10 and 7/10....maybe mwheeler?

Ty Hope · Jan 26, 2012

altered. no question

Eamon · Jan 26, 2012

disgusting way to ruin a card over probably like a $30 premium...

Lancemountain · Jan 26, 2012

Un effing believable.

it just never ends, these stupid scum bags. Its not like that card wouldnt sell well anyway.

jbhofmann · Jan 26, 2012

Not sure what number besides 1/10 it would have been. Looks to me like the "writer" just goofed.

George_Calfas · Jan 26, 2012

Aren't these signed in permanent marker? If it were easy to wipe off the number why not wipe it off again? Obviously it looks bad and if you were really trying to make it look original you would try again; right?

Topnotchsy · Jan 26, 2012

jbhofmann said:
Not sure what number besides 1/10 it would have been. Looks to me like the "writer" just goofed.

Not an expert, but I would lean in this direction as well based if all we have to go by is the handwriting.

alexs64 · Jan 26, 2012

yeah, the 3 looks bad, but what other number can you make a 3 from? And like GC stated if you erased it and wrote it again and it looked that bad, wouldn't you just erase it again and try to make it look decent?

Messier2 · Jan 26, 2012

My theory was that:

1. It's real
2. The "serial-number-er" for UD must have not been paying attention and forgot that he did "2/10" already and quickly tried to make it look like a "3". That's why it looks funny.

Totally legit card and serial number IMO.

AMAZIN HOF COLLECTOR · Jan 26, 2012

Messier2 said:
My theory was that:

1. It's real
2. The "serial-number-er" for UD must have not been paying attention and forgot that he did "2/10" already and quickly tried to make it look like a "3". That's why it looks funny.

Totally legit card and serial number IMO.

I agree.

If you were going to change the number anyway, why not make it 1/10???

xcantgobackx · Jan 26, 2012

Messier2 said:
My theory was that:

1. It's real
2. The "serial-number-er" for UD must have not been paying attention and forgot that he did "2/10" already and quickly tried to make it look like a "3". That's why it looks funny.

Totally legit card and serial number IMO.

This. That looks nothing like an altered number. More like a goofed number/handwriting error.

Hendersonfan · Jan 26, 2012

AMAZIN HOF COLLECTOR said:
Messier2 said:

My theory was that:

1. It's real
2. The "serial-number-er" for UD must have not been paying attention and forgot that he did "2/10" already and quickly tried to make it look like a "3". That's why it looks funny.

Totally legit card and serial number IMO.

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I agree.

If you were going to change the number anyway, why not make it 1/10???

This is what I was thinking too. You can see the ink "doubled" over when the 3 is made, so it looks like it's just a sloppy 3. So if a number was written over, you would be able to tell due to the way the marker "tracks" over it's self. Anyone familiar with sharpie markers should know what I'm talking about. All the strokes in the number appear fluid although it is a pretty sloppy 3.

Musial Collector · Jan 26, 2012

AMAZIN HOF COLLECTOR said:
Messier2 said:

My theory was that:

1. It's real
2. The "serial-number-er" for UD must have not been paying attention and forgot that he did "2/10" already and quickly tried to make it look like a "3". That's why it looks funny.

Totally legit card and serial number IMO.

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I agree.

If you were going to change the number anyway, why not make it 1/10???

Pretty sure every 1/10 in that set is the Gold Boarder card, therefore if you alter it and make it a 1/10 and its not the gold boarder, then it screams 100% altered.

AMAZIN HOF COLLECTOR · Jan 26, 2012

Musial Collector said:
[quote="AMAZIN HOF COLLECTOR":2rjoa4u9]

Messier2 said:

My theory was that:

1. It's real
2. The "serial-number-er" for UD must have not been paying attention and forgot that he did "2/10" already and quickly tried to make it look like a "3". That's why it looks funny.

Totally legit card and serial number IMO.

Click to expand...

I agree.

If you were going to change the number anyway, why not make it 1/10???

Pretty sure every 1/10 in that set is the Gold Boarder card, therefore if you alter it and make it a 1/10 and its not the gold boarder, then it screams 100% altered.[/quote:2rjoa4u9]

There is a marker for that too! :shock:

Pine Tar · Jan 26, 2012

Does not look Altered to me. Every night at work I have to write on things numbered 1through 50 in groups of 5 sets of 50, and almost every night as I'm writing them, I lose where I'm at, and have some that are wrote over. But I never lose sight of the numbering in the first 5 or so it is higher up the number line. But also all the Groups I do the numbers do not look the same from the 1 to 50 either.
It just looks like someone may have just made a mistake in write the number or was getting a hand cramp from all the writing they do with the other cards.

linuxabuser · Jan 26, 2012

Gee.....what number can you make a 3 from? Try an 8.

It looks like someone wiped off part of an 8 and made a screwy looking 3.

jbhofmann · Jan 26, 2012

linuxabuser said:
Gee.....what number can you make a 3 from? Try an 8.

It looks like someone wiped off part of an 8 and made a screwy looking 3.

Really?

schmidtfan20 · Jan 26, 2012

why not just ask Jared Kelly?

Kevin

P_Manning 18 · Jan 26, 2012

schmidtfan20 said:
why not just ask Jared Kelly?

Kevin

He didn't number them. Upper Deck did after he painted them. They had a video of them previewing Goodwin. The guy on the video said that Jared painted one of each President with a gold border. Those were going to be numbered 1/10.

brouthercard · Jan 26, 2012

Looks legit to me. Honestly, who cares about the numbering on these pieces of artwork?

By the way, I really don't like hand-numbered cards, I prefer the machine -stamped ones. They look more legitimate.

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