109 Bowman Blue Wave Redemption Packs - Screwed

[thefatguy]

I haven't really seen any posts from the OP where he is claiming that he's entitled to more free stuff... I've read it more as a post of "WTF are all these autos going if they aren't showing in packs?"

He's outwardly accusing the CSRs of backdooring the autos.

 

[A_Pharis]

I just got 46 more packs today. 2 autos. 14 Red Wave. Once again the Red Wave fall right on the odds and once again I'm shorted 6 autos. Completely different shipment, same issue. So if I keep getting screwed, either someone is going to make out awesome or these auto packs are disappearing the wrong way. A good friend will be getting 425 packs so I'll be interested to see how his breakdown. That's over 4% of the total. That's not statistically insignificant.

Looks an awful lot like an accusation. And despite different attempts at possibly tip-toeing around a specific "this is what they are doing" from BCA, he's emphasized it enough to imply.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

More like:

"I didn't get what I feel like I am entitled so obviously Topps is backdooring cards."

I think the primary issue isn't that Jim didn't get the other 16 autographs that the odds seemed to imply, it's more of a "where did they go?" And that's a valid concern as there haven't been a lot of people who really blew away the odds that posted publicly.

Where are the "I received 5 packs and three autographs" posts?

Again, we have no clue what the issue is...backdooring or a more equal distribution...but clearly Topps handled the autographed packs differently. That really isn't up for debate.

 

[nyc3]

He's outwardly accusing the CSRs of backdooring the autos.

Wait you expect him to read the first 2 sentences of the first post in this topic? Come on now thats crazy talk.

 

[A_Pharis]

BTW, one person getting over 400 packs. There's not an eyeroll smiley big enough to express the reality behind "a fool and thei rmoney are soon parted."

 

[Bob Loblaw]

I know you're joking around, but the packs are supposedly all out today... and Topps could claim there's no damages monetarily from their end since the packs ar considered a free bonus for returning packs. Damage would be incurred once value is assigned by someone selling packs, right?

I was completely kidding around, and Topps could claim anything, but the truth of the matter is that some folks were enticed to buy product based on this Blue Wave bonus, so they're technically not a free bonus.

 

[A_Pharis]

I think the primary issue isn't that Jim didn't get the other 16 autographs that the odds seemed to imply, it's more of a "where did they go?" And that's a valid concern as there haven't been a lot of people who really blew away the odds that posted publicly.

Where are the "I received 5 packs and three autographs" posts?

Again, we have no clue what the issue is...backdooring or a more equal distribution...but clearly Topps handled the autographed packs differently. That really isn't up for debate.

And there's nothing wrong with that, but to consistently go back to the issue of backdooring... well..

 

[Bob Loblaw]

The Blue Wave pack redemption program was part of the original solicitation. If this had been added late in the game like they did in 2010 with a failing Bowman Chrome product, then you could say that these packs were free, but this product was SOLD with the promotion of this pack redemption. These packs weren't free, they were part of the initial offering that convinced me and thousands of others to buy in.

But, Jim, they weren't guaranteed. You had an opportunity to obtain blue wave packs. You were not guaranteed same. If I bought the same amount of product you did, today, I would get 0 blue wave packs despite the advertising saying I could get them.

 

[thefatguy]

* Wrapper Redemption Program (110 prospects): Redeem 24 HOBBY wrappers for an exclusive 5-card pack of the all-new Blue Wave REFRACTORS.

“The first collectors to send in 24 hobby or 7 HTA wrappers will receive a FREE 5-card pack of exclusive Blue Wave Refractor Parallel cards! And that is not all! Bonus autographed cards featuring hot prospects such as Josh Bell, Dante Bichette, Jr., Gerrit Cole, Matt Purke and many more have been randomly inserted into these packs making them even better!

There are only 10,000 of these exclusive packs so pick up 2012 Bowman Baseball on May 9th, rip it and send it right away to make sure you do not miss out! Once we receive wrappers for 10,000 packs we will no longer fulfill.”



How many cards are on the autograph checklist? Is that from Topps or from ebay?

 

[tunahead]

Looks an awful lot like an accusation. And despite different attempts at possibly tip-toeing around a specific "this is what they are doing" from BCA, he's emphasized it enough to imply.

We can pick apart his posts all day long and try to decipher what he's implying and whether he meant it in jest or is flat out accusing them of it. But the fact is, no one has shown that they are pulling a lot of these autos, either from large quantities of packs or small batches. So if they don't seem to be going out in packs, where are they going?

 

[David T.]

From my perspective the point of the original post was to point out that something was amiss concerning this program.
Whether he suggested shenanigans from Topps employees or not, is irrelevent.
I for one commend him for pointing out something that otherwise I wouldn't have known.
Isn't that one of the purposes of this message board? To be informative.
Let's hope that those who've chosen to attack the OP don't scare others away from doing the same thing the OP has done.
Whether something was done wrong with the fufillment program is yet to be determined, but why shoot the messenger?
David

 

[thefatguy]

From my perspective the point of the original post was to point out that something was amiss concerning this program.
Whether he suggested shenanigans from Topps employees or not, is irrelevent.

Hmmm
You think that his accusations are irrelevant in this discussion, yet what he is accusing is fraudulent and should be considered theft. He could have made the original post bringing up the perceived slight without accusing Topps employees of theft or suggesting misdoings.


Are there 35 autos in the checklist? How do we know all of the players signed?

What if cards were held back for replacements? That is a common practice.

 

[David T.]

Hmmm
You think that his accusations are irrelevant in this discussion, yet what he is accusing is fraudulent and should be considered theft. He could have made the original post bringing up the perceived slight without accusing Topps employees of theft or suggesting misdoings.


Are there 35 autos in the checklist? How do we know all of the players signed?

What if cards were held back for replacements? That is a common practice.

I took his Topps Employees comment for what it is. He suggested that may have happened.
It may have.
I thought I read someone who verified that yes, every player signed.
If the cards were held back for replacements why weren't there more Reds held back for replacements?
It seems to me that it's been shown that they are falling as they should.
David

 

[Mahoody]

This may put a damper on the conspiracy of the blue wave autos being backdoored by Topps
2 of my friends got their packs this week - one in the Bx got his 15 packs and got 2 reds & 7 autos
the other received 14 packs (was supposed to get 42) and got 0 reds but 8 autos

so i guess in the scheme of things the odds that were figured out will work out over the whole 10,000 pack allotment

take it for what its worth

 

[lisu]

So, the learning here is that Topps employees can't do math.

This may put a damper on the conspiracy of the blue wave autos being backdoored by Topps
2 of my friends got their packs this week - one in the Bx got his 15 packs and got 2 reds & 7 autos
the other received 14 packs (was supposed to get 42) and got 0 reds but 8 autos

so i guess in the scheme of things the odds that were figured out will work out over the whole 10,000 pack allotment

take it for what its worth

 

[A_Pharis]

Speculating would have no validity with the limited pool of information out there on the receipt of these packs. Why not move on and stop buying the product directly from Topps? Stick to what you can be certain on and purchase from the secondary. Make the money from flipping prospects... or - heck - COLLECT!

 

[A_Pharis]

So, the learning here is that Topps employees can't do math.

This is my take, and it's the more likely situation. Chances are, the part-timers they contracted to do collation and distribution neglected proper separation. It sucks and isn't fair, but - well... you know what they say about life being fair.

 

[thefatguy]

The plot thickens.......

They probably shorted the large subs knowing thy are suckers and will be back for more punishment.


If he could see the packs said non auto, why would he keep opening knowing there wouldn't be an auto in it?

 

[A_Pharis]

Jesse: I would assume the box was just a poor choice for one used to ship... not indicative of the contents. I can give BCA that... even I would hope that the scratched out label wasn't a bad sign.

 

[ronfromfresno]

Did Topps state the odds somewhere or were the odd determined by math? I ask because this could be a case like the 2006 UD FX Blue card where the stated print run was something like 1 in 6 packs but in reality it was 1 in 30 or more packs. So if the odds were stated incorrectly or never stated at all the amount of auto's received might actually be correct. This seems to play out in the fact that no one has posted about receiving above average amounts of auto's, leading me to assume less auto's were placed into the product. In either case there is an element of chance, just like the box of Upper Deck Ballpark Collection that I got kicked in the nuts on....$200 box and about $30 return.