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2009 BOWMAN DRAFT PICS, PRELIMINARY CL & INSERTS (See PG 7)
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mredsox89
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Re: 2009 BOWMAN DRAFT PICKS & PROSPECTS PICS AND PRELIMINARY CL
Yikes, not a good first impression. Some decent cards for me to chase, mainly Ryan Jackson, his first non USA card. Also first cards of Raymond Fuentes and Seth Schwindenhammer, two top sox draft picks. Surprised to not see a single recently drafted Cane though. Maybe in BS
Yikes, not a good first impression. Some decent cards for me to chase, mainly Ryan Jackson, his first non USA card. Also first cards of Raymond Fuentes and Seth Schwindenhammer, two top sox draft picks. Surprised to not see a single recently drafted Cane though. Maybe in BS
kruzie3
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Re: 2009 BOWMAN DRAFT PICKS & PROSPECTS PICS AND PRELIMINARY CL
Very happy about seeing that my boy Leake has an auto and Billy Hamilton has a chrome prospect card. After that, its just ok
Very happy about seeing that my boy Leake has an auto and Billy Hamilton has a chrome prospect card. After that, its just ok
Re: 2009 BOWMAN DRAFT PICKS & PROSPECTS PICS AND PRELIMINARY CL
The base set is obviously weak, although I like that they extended it to 75 cards. The same thing happened in 2007 when the checklist was first released, so I think we'll see widespread changes by the time the product is released (if not, then this product is pretty much garbage).
Not a fan of the WBC cards - won't go into further detail on that, since that seems to be the general consensus.
The Auto checklist is solid, but it's hard to tell at this point whether we have any future superstars in that group. The checklist is larger than last year, there aren't any huge stars at this point (versus last year when we had Flores, Montero, Stanton, Beckham, etc.), and there are more scrub autos than last year (Bashore, Jenkins, Boxberger, several others as well - not that they won't be decent players, but at this point in time, I wouldn't be too excited pulling them).
I don't see any auto that will sell for more than $20 once prices settle and that's not a good thing.
Overall, the lack of any potential near-term superstars (there are a lot of solid HS guys that could develop into stars, but no one that would be a top 20 prospect at this point) is a problem - if Topps can't get any of the Boras guys, that will make it even more difficult to have a few big Autos to chase, so it'd be nice if they would dip into the prospect pool to get a few big names like they did last year (although I'm not sure who's even out there).
Really, from this past draft, the only guys that I would think would sell in that $40+ range would be Strasburg and Ackley, maybe Tate. So Topps is kind of pigeonholed unless they put guys that are prospects from previous drafts/international players in the Auto set. It's really just a lacklaster draft in terms of hobby superstars at this point in time. That's not to say it won't be a good draft in the long run, but with a lot of HS talent in the 1st round, we won't know for a few years what we have here.
All that adds up to a product that, if Topps makes some changes, could be a nice product in the long-run, but I'm not sure the break value will be very good this year. There just aren't enough hyped-up guys in the set at the moment or in this draft.
I guess we'll have to wait and see what Topps is able to do before the checklist is finalized, so it's still too early to pass judgment, but I think that if Topps can't get any Boras players and doesn't add any other prospects, this product will be very average, at least initially, with some potential down the road if some guys hit it big.
I didn't do very well on last year's product and this one looks weaker, so I'm not sure I see a lot of value at this time. I don't think I'd pay close to $600 for a 12 box case of this product, but with a lot of changes, that might be more reasonable.
JP - do you have a list of all of the potential AFLAC cards we could see? That would help this product out, but I guess we're stuck with guys in this year's draft (rather than last year, when they had guys from previous years, such as Heyward and Freeman, which was really nice). So those probably won't be as big of a bonus as last year either.
The base set is obviously weak, although I like that they extended it to 75 cards. The same thing happened in 2007 when the checklist was first released, so I think we'll see widespread changes by the time the product is released (if not, then this product is pretty much garbage).
Not a fan of the WBC cards - won't go into further detail on that, since that seems to be the general consensus.
The Auto checklist is solid, but it's hard to tell at this point whether we have any future superstars in that group. The checklist is larger than last year, there aren't any huge stars at this point (versus last year when we had Flores, Montero, Stanton, Beckham, etc.), and there are more scrub autos than last year (Bashore, Jenkins, Boxberger, several others as well - not that they won't be decent players, but at this point in time, I wouldn't be too excited pulling them).
I don't see any auto that will sell for more than $20 once prices settle and that's not a good thing.
Overall, the lack of any potential near-term superstars (there are a lot of solid HS guys that could develop into stars, but no one that would be a top 20 prospect at this point) is a problem - if Topps can't get any of the Boras guys, that will make it even more difficult to have a few big Autos to chase, so it'd be nice if they would dip into the prospect pool to get a few big names like they did last year (although I'm not sure who's even out there).
Really, from this past draft, the only guys that I would think would sell in that $40+ range would be Strasburg and Ackley, maybe Tate. So Topps is kind of pigeonholed unless they put guys that are prospects from previous drafts/international players in the Auto set. It's really just a lacklaster draft in terms of hobby superstars at this point in time. That's not to say it won't be a good draft in the long run, but with a lot of HS talent in the 1st round, we won't know for a few years what we have here.
All that adds up to a product that, if Topps makes some changes, could be a nice product in the long-run, but I'm not sure the break value will be very good this year. There just aren't enough hyped-up guys in the set at the moment or in this draft.
I guess we'll have to wait and see what Topps is able to do before the checklist is finalized, so it's still too early to pass judgment, but I think that if Topps can't get any Boras players and doesn't add any other prospects, this product will be very average, at least initially, with some potential down the road if some guys hit it big.
I didn't do very well on last year's product and this one looks weaker, so I'm not sure I see a lot of value at this time. I don't think I'd pay close to $600 for a 12 box case of this product, but with a lot of changes, that might be more reasonable.
JP - do you have a list of all of the potential AFLAC cards we could see? That would help this product out, but I guess we're stuck with guys in this year's draft (rather than last year, when they had guys from previous years, such as Heyward and Freeman, which was really nice). So those probably won't be as big of a bonus as last year either.
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Re: 2009 BOWMAN DRAFT PICKS & PROSPECTS PICS AND PRELIMINARY CL
I don't have a list in front of me, but I do know of a couple of names off the top of my head who weren't in 2008 BDP's AFLAC Auto checklist:
Robert Stock (is a base card here, so he's likely to be included)
Brooks Pounders (ditto)
D.J. LeMahieu
Too bad Aaron Hicks is Razor exclusive, or he'd be a good addition as well.
jkeen01 said:
I don't have a list in front of me, but I do know of a couple of names off the top of my head who weren't in 2008 BDP's AFLAC Auto checklist:
Robert Stock (is a base card here, so he's likely to be included)
Brooks Pounders (ditto)
D.J. LeMahieu
Too bad Aaron Hicks is Razor exclusive, or he'd be a good addition as well.
ruffryder98499
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Re: 2009 BOWMAN DRAFT PICKS & PROSPECTS PICS AND PRELIMINARY CL
Jared Mitchell is also a candidate for an AFLAC card.
Jared Mitchell is also a candidate for an AFLAC card.
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ruffryder98499
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Re: 2009 BOWMAN DRAFT PICKS & PROSPECTS PICS AND PRELIMINARY CL
Check again in was a member of the 2005 AFLAC game.
Jaypers said:
Check again in was a member of the 2005 AFLAC game.
weavermania
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Re: 2009 BOWMAN DRAFT PICKS & PROSPECTS PICS AND PRELIMINARY CL
Grichuk, Trout, and Matzek! Sweet!
Grichuk, Trout, and Matzek! Sweet!
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ruffryder98499
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True. They were player issued. They had pictures of it in the local paper.
True. They were player issued. They had pictures of it in the local paper.
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Seems like Grichuk and Matzek would be the autos right?
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Seems like Grichuk and Matzek would be the autos right?
carlitoson
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Re: 2009 BOWMAN DRAFT PICKS & PROSPECTS PICS AND PRELIMINARY CL
At this point, the only Yankees card in the whole set is Derek Jeter. ::facepalm::
(please correct me if I'm wrong).
At this point, the only Yankees card in the whole set is Derek Jeter. ::facepalm::
(please correct me if I'm wrong).
Re: 2009 BOWMAN DRAFT PICKS & PROSPECTS PICS AND PRELIMINARY CL
Jeter not in BDP. If you're talking about all 2009 Bowman issues Pat Venditte off the top of my head is a Yankee.
carlitoson said:
Jeter not in BDP. If you're talking about all 2009 Bowman issues Pat Venditte off the top of my head is a Yankee.
Re: 2009 BOWMAN DRAFT PICKS & PROSPECTS PICS AND PRELIMINARY CL
I just wanted to point out that the term is "biased", not bias. It's an error that is made quite a bit on these boards and nobody ever points it out. I'm not trying to call you out, but if I make a mistake I want somebody to let me know so I don't repeat that mistake.
bradical said:
I just wanted to point out that the term is "biased", not bias. It's an error that is made quite a bit on these boards and nobody ever points it out. I'm not trying to call you out, but if I make a mistake I want somebody to let me know so I don't repeat that mistake.
cowboysrule48
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Re: 2009 BOWMAN DRAFT PICKS & PROSPECTS PICS AND PRELIMINARY CL
I did a case each of the last two years. None this year though.
I did a case each of the last two years. None this year though.
carlitoson
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Re: 2009 BOWMAN DRAFT PICKS & PROSPECTS PICS AND PRELIMINARY CL
Sorry for the confusion. I meant that Jeter's WBC card is the only "Yankee" player in the whole set. No Yankee rookies...no Yankee prospects to be found in this checklist.LLWesMan said:
Johan Santana 57
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Re: 2009 BOWMAN DRAFT PICKS & PROSPECTS PICS AND PRELIMINARY CL
Clearly you didn't read the article where it says Jeter is in the set.
LLWesMan said:
Clearly you didn't read the article where it says Jeter is in the set.
