2010 Bowman Chrome information

[Jaypers]

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[vetsgt02]

TEAM USA AUTOGRAPHS
USAA 1-20

I see my next set I will be building

 

[cgilmo]

TEAM USA AUTOGRAPHS
USAA 1-20

I see my next set I will be building

Topps Chrome = Collegiate National Team
Bowman Chrome = 18U
Future Product = 16U


on card, on chrome, with parallels

 

[loftlife]

I'm down for a boycott Blowout/Atl Sportscards thread. What they have done is rediculous.

If anything Boycott everything associated with MLB and MLBPA, they are the ones that did it.

Having one game in town and now everyone buying that 1 product will push prices up.

Supply vs Demand. Very simple.

There it is.

Not really rocket science.

I went to business school....im not idiot. I understand how things work.

In this case though, the demand is superficial to an extend because its new entrants into the market who have no clue what true past market values were. If you think $350+ for a Jumbo of 2010 Bowman is the true equilibrium price for it you are nuts.

Sure, im upset because Im basically being priced out of the market 4+ months before release of these future products. If i'm being priced out though, who else is too? My guess is that includes a lot of people.

Business school? Really? It does not appear you have a firm grasp of the market dynamics. What does past performance of a product have to do with anything? That is the PAST... the dynamics have changed (Fewer card companies in the game) It has been said already... the DEMAND is what it is...

The main market driver is Strasburg which is creating the demand, that part is real. Had Strasburg not had the type of minor league success along with the quick call up and a outstanding first game in the bigs, along with all the hype on his superfractor, we would not even be having this discussion...

The second market driver is the lack of competition... fewer things to chase... money becomes focused... boredom sets in... and this will raise the bar for what was the standard price on the average product.

This is the new high water mark on values... a player gets hot and it will have a much bigger impact on card prices as singles, boxes and cases... this is the new world, love it or leave it... the middle ground is just to complain about it and that serves no real purpose.

 

[craftysouthpaw]

How is it gauging if people are willingly buying the product? No one is holding a gun to anyone's head forcing them to buy the product. If you make a personal decision that the price is too high, don't buy it (as several people have said).

If anything, this shows that Topps is leaving money on the table with these few products. But given their past history of eating product, this is a business decision on their part and the pricing was probably decided months ago. Bumping up their cost here would probably be a short-term view since most future releases will not have this same hype.

The distributors/middle-men/whatevers are merely charging what the market will bear. Don't blame them for entering an established business model to make a profit. They are a business, not a charity. Sure, the cost is being driven by new entrants but that is typical of the market for any good product. It attracts new buyers which can raise prices if there is a ceiling on supply. In addition, there is a risk component factored into this pricing in that distributors always have the possibility (and the evidence) that product they buy might sit in their warehouse for years and/or eventually get sold much below their cost. When the opportunity arises to recoup some of that cost (which consumers typically benefit from) or protect themselves from future risk, of course they are going to do so.

The distributor model clearly makes money in the long-term for Topps, otherwise they wouldn't continue doing it. Cutting them out of the process would bring upon increased costs to Topps in the form of shipping, legal costs for contracts, warehousing, more employees etc. and their costs would almost certainly rise. Costs that woud get passed along to the consumers. The cost Topps charges to distributors isn't fully loaded yet so it isn't really a good measure of the cost base that would be the starting point for any sort of mark-up the customers would pay with distributors out of the picture.

People are clearly deriving value at $350 per Jumbo or they wouldn't be buying it. That value isn't necessarliy monetary - it could be because it adds personal value to their collection, because it is fun to rip, or because it is just hot right now and they want to be a part of it.

Yes, if you have a relationship with a vendor, a LCS, etc. you can get product much closer to cost. But don't mistake that for a true representation of the market price. You are paying something beyond money in the form of that relationship (be it friendship, bulk purchasing, a valued customer, whatever) that the vast majority of consumers can't pay.

When people say there is gauging going on here, it typically means their own profit is getting squeezed if they want to flip it. Which I find ironic. If someone has the intention of flipping and only buys one pack of 2010 hobby for $10 and pulls a Strasburg chrome refractor, will they sell that card using their cost to set their selling price? No, they will sell it for the $150 that the market will bear. So don't slam the distributors for doing the same thing.

 

[bmc398]

I'm down for a boycott Blowout/Atl Sportscards thread. What they have done is rediculous.

If anything Boycott everything associated with MLB and MLBPA, they are the ones that did it.

Having one game in town and now everyone buying that 1 product will push prices up.

Supply vs Demand. Very simple.

There it is.

Not really rocket science.

I went to business school....im not idiot. I understand how things work.

In this case though, the demand is superficial to an extend because its new entrants into the market who have no clue what true past market values were. If you think $350+ for a Jumbo of 2010 Bowman is the true equilibrium price for it you are nuts.

Sure, im upset because Im basically being priced out of the market 4+ months before release of these future products. If i'm being priced out though, who else is too? My guess is that includes a lot of people.

Business school? Really? It does not appear you have a firm grasp of the market dynamics. What does past performance of a product have to do with anything? That is the PAST... the dynamics have changed (Fewer card companies in the game) It has been said already... the DEMAND is what it is...

The main market driver is Strasburg which is creating the demand, that part is real. Had Strasburg not had the type of minor league success along with the quick call up and a outstanding first game in the bigs, along with all the hype on his superfractor, we would not even be having this discussion...

The second market driver is the lack of competition... fewer things to chase... money becomes focused... boredom sets in... and this will raise the bar for what was the standard price on the average product.

This is the new high water mark on values... a player gets hot and it will have a much bigger impact on card prices as singles, boxes and cases... this is the new world, love it or leave it... the middle ground is just to complain about it and that serves no real purpose.

You really didn't have to be a ******...but you went there. Did somebody piss in your cheerios this morning? I understand all of that in which you discussed. If you love $350+ boxes of Bowman Jumbo then you are a richer, yet more foolish man than I am.

The Strasburg part is real, but has caused new entrants into the market. Entrants that have no clue about past costs. Past costs are important in this, because it sets the benchmark of demand for a certain part of the market. Other posters have said it themselves, they won't buy at a price above X. The presells 4 months out are already way above what any logical X amount would be. At some point, somebody is going to be sitting on some artificially inflated wax. It really sucks when its the end consumer.

Your talk about supply and demand relates more to a need than a want. I don't need cards to survive, but I do need food. I'll pay higher prices to eat, because I have to. I won't pay higher prices on wax because I don't have to. Sure, there is no competition as far as the card industry goes....but Topps is not the only game in town as far as the way I spend my discretionary income. It won't hurt Topps but it will hurt these resellers jacking up the price. I'm pretty sure the whole reason we had this wax lull from 2006-now is because the market was correcting itself. People were tired of paying inflated prices from these resellers and were not happy with the product either. At some point, the product will be subpar and hopefully it will be these greedy resellers stuck holding the bill and selling to me at half the cost while I tell them to go suck on it.

Im complaining, yet doing something about it. Im calling myself and others to action. If you were a big wax ripper like myself you'd share my opinion or at least see where I am coming from. Since, you don't I am guessing you are probably a singles buyer and don't care. So if you don't care...take some of your own advice and stop complaining.

 

[bmc398]

How is it gauging if people are willingly buying the product? No one is holding a gun to anyone's head forcing them to buy the product. If you make a personal decision that the price is too high, don't buy it (as several people have said).

If anything, this shows that Topps is leaving money on the table with these few products. But given their past history of eating product, this is a business decision on their part and the pricing was probably decided months ago. Bumping up their cost here would probably be a short-term view since most future releases will not have this same hype.

The distributors/middle-men/whatevers are merely charging what the market will bear. Don't blame them for entering an established business model to make a profit. They are a business, not a charity. Sure, the cost is being driven by new entrants but that is typical of the market for any good product. It attracts new buyers which can raise prices if there is a ceiling on supply. In addition, there is a risk component factored into this pricing in that distributors always have the possibility (and the evidence) that product they buy might sit in their warehouse for years and/or eventually get sold much below their cost. When the opportunity arises to recoup some of that cost (which consumers typically benefit from) or protect themselves from future risk, of course they are going to do so.

The distributor model clearly makes money in the long-term for Topps, otherwise they wouldn't continue doing it. Cutting them out of the process would bring upon increased costs to Topps in the form of shipping, legal costs for contracts, warehousing, more employees etc. and their costs would almost certainly rise. Costs that woud get passed along to the consumers. The cost Topps charges to distributors isn't fully loaded yet so it isn't really a good measure of the cost base that would be the starting point for any sort of mark-up the customers would pay with distributors out of the picture.

People are clearly deriving value at $350 per Jumbo or they wouldn't be buying it. That value isn't necessarliy monetary - it could be because it adds personal value to their collection, because it is fun to rip, or because it is just hot right now and they want to be a part of it.

Yes, if you have a relationship with a vendor, a LCS, etc. you can get product much closer to cost. But don't mistake that for a true representation of the market price. You are paying something beyond money in the form of that relationship (be it friendship, bulk purchasing, a valued customer, whatever) that the vast majority of consumers can't pay.

When people say there is gauging going on here, it typically means their own profit is getting squeezed if they want to flip it. Which I find ironic. If someone has the intention of flipping and only buys one pack of 2010 hobby for $10 and pulls a Strasburg chrome refractor, will they sell that card using their cost to set their selling price? No, they will sell it for the $150 that the market will bear. So don't slam the distributors for doing the same thing.

The market will bear them selling a box or two a day at $350 and a huge markup because they've already made an assload of money on pre-sells and their previous price increases.

Everybody flips cards. I don't do it as a business, I do it to buy PC cards and buy more wax. Thats all. You can embrace the current model, but there is a better way. The current model cuts out the LCS too....even the good ones who charge fair prices and do right by their customers. Talk to RF in Kennesaw if you want to hear how its effecting him.... it really sucks. The only people who make money in this IS the resellers. He'd love to move Bowman, but can't get it in quick enough or people won't sell it to him to resale because price was so static.

We can argue this for days and hours. You can like it and get in line with the minions or do something about it. Sure Blowout or ATL doesn't give a **** about me or what I do, but im not going to financially support it because I don't like it.

 

[vetsgt02]

TEAM USA AUTOGRAPHS
USAA 1-20

I see my next set I will be building

Topps Chrome = Collegiate National Team
Bowman Chrome = 18U
Future Product = 16U


on card, on chrome, with parallels

Thanks man I am really looking forward to these

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

The market will bear them selling a box or two a day at $350 and a huge markup because they've already made an assload of money on pre-sells and their previous price increases.

Everybody flips cards. I don't do it as a business, I do it to buy PC cards and buy more wax. Thats all. You can embrace the current model, but there is a better way. The current model cuts out the LCS too....even the good ones who charge fair prices and do right by their customers. Talk to RF in Kennesaw if you want to hear how its effecting him.... it really sucks. The only people who make money in this IS the resellers. He'd love to move Bowman, but can't get it in quick enough or people won't sell it to him to resale because price was so static.

We can argue this for days and hours. You can like it and get in line with the minions or do something about it. Sure Blowout or ATL doesn't give a shat about me or what I do, but im not going to financially support it because I don't like it.

You (we) don't have to support it. That's the beauty or being able to spend your own money.

Also, I think we're all overreacting to this market at this point as it will regulate itself in the coming months. People are buying and selling prime hype right now, the the MLB season is done and this product is released...cooler heads (and prices) will prevail.

 

[loftlife]

[quote="bmc398":3h7enlpe]I'm down for a boycott Blowout/Atl Sportscards thread. What they have done is rediculous.

If anything Boycott everything associated with MLB and MLBPA, they are the ones that did it.

Having one game in town and now everyone buying that 1 product will push prices up.

Supply vs Demand. Very simple.

There it is.

Not really rocket science.

I went to business school....im not idiot. I understand how things work.

In this case though, the demand is superficial to an extend because its new entrants into the market who have no clue what true past market values were. If you think $350+ for a Jumbo of 2010 Bowman is the true equilibrium price for it you are nuts.

Sure, im upset because Im basically being priced out of the market 4+ months before release of these future products. If i'm being priced out though, who else is too? My guess is that includes a lot of people.

Business school? Really? It does not appear you have a firm grasp of the market dynamics. What does past performance of a product have to do with anything? That is the PAST... the dynamics have changed (Fewer card companies in the game) It has been said already... the DEMAND is what it is...

The main market driver is Strasburg which is creating the demand, that part is real. Had Strasburg not had the type of minor league success along with the quick call up and a outstanding first game in the bigs, along with all the hype on his superfractor, we would not even be having this discussion...

The second market driver is the lack of competition... fewer things to chase... money becomes focused... boredom sets in... and this will raise the bar for what was the standard price on the average product.

This is the new high water mark on values... a player gets hot and it will have a much bigger impact on card prices as singles, boxes and cases... this is the new world, love it or leave it... the middle ground is just to complain about it and that serves no real purpose.

You really didn't have to be a ******...but you went there. Did somebody piss in your cheerios this morning? I understand all of that in which you discussed. If you love $350+ boxes of Bowman Jumbo then you are a richer, yet more foolish man than I am.

The Strasburg part is real, but has caused new entrants into the market. Entrants that have no clue about past costs. Past costs are important in this, because it sets the benchmark of demand for a certain part of the market. Other posters have said it themselves, they won't buy at a price above X. The presells 4 months out are already way above what any logical X amount would be. At some point, somebody is going to be sitting on some artificially inflated wax. It really sucks when its the end consumer.

Your talk about supply and demand relates more to a need than a want. I don't need cards to survive, but I do need food. I'll pay higher prices to eat, because I have to. I won't pay higher prices on wax because I don't have to. Sure, there is no competition as far as the card industry goes....but Topps is not the only game in town as far as the way I spend my discretionary income. It won't hurt Topps but it will hurt these resellers jacking up the price. I'm pretty sure the whole reason we had this wax lull from 2006-now is because the market was correcting itself. People were tired of paying inflated prices from these resellers and were not happy with the product either. At some point, the product will be subpar and hopefully it will be these greedy resellers stuck holding the bill and selling to me at half the cost while I tell them to go suck on it.

Im complaining, yet doing something about it. Im calling myself and others to action. If you were a big wax ripper like myself you'd share my opinion or at least see where I am coming from. Since, you don't I am guessing you are probably a singles buyer and don't care. So if you don't care...take some of your own advice and stop complaining.[/quote:3h7enlpe]


::facepalm::

I stand by my comments... you do not get it and you have validated my statement in regard to that. I am done debating this topic with you... have a great day and good luck with calling others into action, let us know how that works out for ya.

 

[vetsgt02]

If you do not like the prices then find a new hobby. They teach supply and demand in like the 8th grade and the card companys and distributers have to make money this is not about giving us a cheap product it is about overhead. They have to make a living and they should try and get the most for their product.

 

[ThoseBackPages]

I'm down for a boycott Blowout/Atl Sportscards thread. What they have done is rediculous.

Collect something else. For me, baseball cards have been on a steady decline collecting wise since the Razor debacle.

Collect older baseball cards of the prospects then called "sure fire studs" like Rowell, LaPorta, Bailey, Cueto, etc.

Plenty of room in this pool we call "Card Collecting" that can keep everyone satisfied.

 

[craftysouthpaw]

How is it gauging if people are willingly buying the product? No one is holding a gun to anyone's head forcing them to buy the product. If you make a personal decision that the price is too high, don't buy it (as several people have said).

If anything, this shows that Topps is leaving money on the table with these few products. But given their past history of eating product, this is a business decision on their part and the pricing was probably decided months ago. Bumping up their cost here would probably be a short-term view since most future releases will not have this same hype.

The distributors/middle-men/whatevers are merely charging what the market will bear. Don't blame them for entering an established business model to make a profit. They are a business, not a charity. Sure, the cost is being driven by new entrants but that is typical of the market for any good product. It attracts new buyers which can raise prices if there is a ceiling on supply. In addition, there is a risk component factored into this pricing in that distributors always have the possibility (and the evidence) that product they buy might sit in their warehouse for years and/or eventually get sold much below their cost. When the opportunity arises to recoup some of that cost (which consumers typically benefit from) or protect themselves from future risk, of course they are going to do so.

The distributor model clearly makes money in the long-term for Topps, otherwise they wouldn't continue doing it. Cutting them out of the process would bring upon increased costs to Topps in the form of shipping, legal costs for contracts, warehousing, more employees etc. and their costs would almost certainly rise. Costs that woud get passed along to the consumers. The cost Topps charges to distributors isn't fully loaded yet so it isn't really a good measure of the cost base that would be the starting point for any sort of mark-up the customers would pay with distributors out of the picture.

People are clearly deriving value at $350 per Jumbo or they wouldn't be buying it. That value isn't necessarliy monetary - it could be because it adds personal value to their collection, because it is fun to rip, or because it is just hot right now and they want to be a part of it.

Yes, if you have a relationship with a vendor, a LCS, etc. you can get product much closer to cost. But don't mistake that for a true representation of the market price. You are paying something beyond money in the form of that relationship (be it friendship, bulk purchasing, a valued customer, whatever) that the vast majority of consumers can't pay.

When people say there is gauging going on here, it typically means their own profit is getting squeezed if they want to flip it. Which I find ironic. If someone has the intention of flipping and only buys one pack of 2010 hobby for $10 and pulls a Strasburg chrome refractor, will they sell that card using their cost to set their selling price? No, they will sell it for the $150 that the market will bear. So don't slam the distributors for doing the same thing.

The market will bear them selling a box or two a day at $350 and a huge markup because they've already made an assload of money on pre-sells and their previous price increases.

Everybody flips cards. I don't do it as a business, I do it to buy PC cards and buy more wax. Thats all. You can embrace the current model, but there is a better way. The current model cuts out the LCS too....even the good ones who charge fair prices and do right by their customers. Talk to RF in Kennesaw if you want to hear how its effecting him.... it really sucks. The only people who make money in this IS the resellers. He'd love to move Bowman, but can't get it in quick enough or people won't sell it to him to resale because price was so static.

We can argue this for days and hours. You can like it and get in line with the minions or do something about it. Sure Blowout or ATL doesn't give a shat about me or what I do, but im not going to financially support it because I don't like it.

What is a "fair price"? Fair has nothing to do with it. Nor does "do[ing] right by their customers". All of these players exist to make money, not to be fair or do right by their customers. As long as they are operating without cheating, stealing, or lying, they are playing by the rules.

Maybe the only player for 2010 Bowman that is making money right now is the distributors but they are the ones that took the risk to buy all the product. If the product tanked, they would have been left with stacks of inventory. RF or anyone else could have bought pallets of this stuff when it released at $750 or so a case - maybe not directly from Topps or from any one source but it could have been done. But he didn't do so because of the risk he would have been stuck with mountains of inventory. Shoot, I wish I bought 20 cases of the stuff at $750 but the risk of a divorce wasn't worth it at the time. Does it suck now that I would have made $30,000 had I taken the plunge? Yes, but that is my fault.

I'm not getting in line with any minions. I pay when I perceive it to be worth it to me and don't pay when I don't. If enough people don't pay, prices will fall. You are rightfully voting with your wallet and that is the only thing one can do. Personally, I think people will continue to pay these prices for 2010 product and if you or I or anyone else won't pay those prices, we won't be getting any of it.

 

[bmc398]

I'm down for a boycott Blowout/Atl Sportscards thread. What they have done is rediculous.

Collect something else. For me, baseball cards have been on a steady decline collecting wise since the Razor debacle.

Collect older baseball cards of the prospects then called "sure fire studs" like Rowell, LaPorta, Bailey, Cueto, etc.

Plenty of room in this pool we call "Card Collecting" that can keep everyone satisfied.

I agree....have bought more and more PC stuff since 2010 Bowman skyrocketed on release. PC that wasn't necessarily 2010 Bowman either...but I can't resist Scott Sizemore autos at $3.

Anyways, im not leaving the hobby by any means, but im not buying any new wax, and if I did its not coming from ATL or Blowout.

 

[bmc398]

How is it gauging if people are willingly buying the product? No one is holding a gun to anyone's head forcing them to buy the product. If you make a personal decision that the price is too high, don't buy it (as several people have said).

If anything, this shows that Topps is leaving money on the table with these few products. But given their past history of eating product, this is a business decision on their part and the pricing was probably decided months ago. Bumping up their cost here would probably be a short-term view since most future releases will not have this same hype.

The distributors/middle-men/whatevers are merely charging what the market will bear. Don't blame them for entering an established business model to make a profit. They are a business, not a charity. Sure, the cost is being driven by new entrants but that is typical of the market for any good product. It attracts new buyers which can raise prices if there is a ceiling on supply. In addition, there is a risk component factored into this pricing in that distributors always have the possibility (and the evidence) that product they buy might sit in their warehouse for years and/or eventually get sold much below their cost. When the opportunity arises to recoup some of that cost (which consumers typically benefit from) or protect themselves from future risk, of course they are going to do so.

The distributor model clearly makes money in the long-term for Topps, otherwise they wouldn't continue doing it. Cutting them out of the process would bring upon increased costs to Topps in the form of shipping, legal costs for contracts, warehousing, more employees etc. and their costs would almost certainly rise. Costs that woud get passed along to the consumers. The cost Topps charges to distributors isn't fully loaded yet so it isn't really a good measure of the cost base that would be the starting point for any sort of mark-up the customers would pay with distributors out of the picture.

People are clearly deriving value at $350 per Jumbo or they wouldn't be buying it. That value isn't necessarliy monetary - it could be because it adds personal value to their collection, because it is fun to rip, or because it is just hot right now and they want to be a part of it.

Yes, if you have a relationship with a vendor, a LCS, etc. you can get product much closer to cost. But don't mistake that for a true representation of the market price. You are paying something beyond money in the form of that relationship (be it friendship, bulk purchasing, a valued customer, whatever) that the vast majority of consumers can't pay.

When people say there is gauging going on here, it typically means their own profit is getting squeezed if they want to flip it. Which I find ironic. If someone has the intention of flipping and only buys one pack of 2010 hobby for $10 and pulls a Strasburg chrome refractor, will they sell that card using their cost to set their selling price? No, they will sell it for the $150 that the market will bear. So don't slam the distributors for doing the same thing.

The market will bear them selling a box or two a day at $350 and a huge markup because they've already made an assload of money on pre-sells and their previous price increases.

Everybody flips cards. I don't do it as a business, I do it to buy PC cards and buy more wax. Thats all. You can embrace the current model, but there is a better way. The current model cuts out the LCS too....even the good ones who charge fair prices and do right by their customers. Talk to RF in Kennesaw if you want to hear how its effecting him.... it really sucks. The only people who make money in this IS the resellers. He'd love to move Bowman, but can't get it in quick enough or people won't sell it to him to resale because price was so static.

We can argue this for days and hours. You can like it and get in line with the minions or do something about it. Sure Blowout or ATL doesn't give a shat about me or what I do, but im not going to financially support it because I don't like it.

What is a "fair price"? Fair has nothing to do with it. Nor does "do[ing] right by their customers". All of these players exist to make money, not to be fair or do right by their customers. As long as they are operating without cheating, stealing, or lying, they are playing by the rules.

Maybe the only player for 2010 Bowman that is making money right now is the distributors but they are the ones that took the risk to buy all the product. If the product tanked, they would have been left with stacks of inventory. RF or anyone else could have bought pallets of this stuff when it released at $750 or so a case - maybe not directly from Topps or from any one source but it could have been done. But he didn't do so because of the risk he would have been stuck with mountains of inventory. Shoot, I wish I bought 20 cases of the stuff at $750 but the risk of a divorce wasn't worth it at the time. Does it suck now that I would have made $30,000 had I taken the plunge? Yes, but that is my fault.

I'm not getting in line with any minions. I pay when I perceive it to be worth it to me and don't pay when I don't. If enough people don't pay, prices will fall. You are rightfully voting with your wallet and that is the only thing one can do. Personally, I think people will continue to pay these prices for 2010 product and if you or I or anyone else won't pay those prices, we won't be getting any of it.

Ill be getting tons of it. Singles, on the secondary market for fractions of what they probably should be worth because people overpaid and now have to recoup that money quickly.

 

[studioclint]

I think that people should be able to charge what they want. The thing about the presells that is killing me is that I have my collecting money already tied up in Ginter, Triple Threads, and Bowman Chrome and some of them aren't going to be out for awhile. Which kind of sucks. I wish they would make a rule where you couldn't have a presell more than 2 months before a products release.

 

[bmc398]

I think that people should be able to charge what they want. The thing about the presells that is killing me is that I have my collecting money already tied up in Ginter, Triple Threads, and Bowman Chrome and some of them aren't going to be out for awhile. Which kind of sucks. I wish they would make a rule where you couldn't have a presell more than 2 months before a products release.

This would help a ton of things. Less time for hype to run rampant. The only problem is that Topps needs their orders in like at least 2 months in advance to know how much to make.

 

[studioclint]

I think that people should be able to charge what they want. The thing about the presells that is killing me is that I have my collecting money already tied up in Ginter, Triple Threads, and Bowman Chrome and some of them aren't going to be out for awhile. Which kind of sucks. I wish they would make a rule where you couldn't have a presell more than 2 months before a products release.

This would help a ton of things. Less time for hype to run rampant. The only problem is that Topps needs their orders in like at least 2 months in advance to know how much to make.

True. I didn't think about that. I don't mind spending the money. I just hate tying it up like this for so long.

 

[All In Cards]

who is going to make that rule? There really arent any regulations for the card industry.

If anything make a Strict Release Date. Look at the music and movie industry. Most new stuff comes out on a Tuesday and you will not find the new movie or CD available til 12:01 am Tuesday morning.

Let the playing field be the same for everyone.

 

[bmc398]

I think that people should be able to charge what they want. The thing about the presells that is killing me is that I have my collecting money already tied up in Ginter, Triple Threads, and Bowman Chrome and some of them aren't going to be out for awhile. Which kind of sucks. I wish they would make a rule where you couldn't have a presell more than 2 months before a products release.

This would help a ton of things. Less time for hype to run rampant. The only problem is that Topps needs their orders in like at least 2 months in advance to know how much to make.

True. I didn't think about that. I don't mind spending the money. I just hate tying it up like this for so long.

Yeah but most places don't require a full deposit....but its also unwise to make commitments and then save up the money and spend it elsewhere. LOL It sucks but it looks like we are in the age of where getting a good price means having to get like the first presells when they go up.