Here is a buyer you will definitely want to block...

[BunchOBull]

There is no defending the buyer in this situation. The second you talk about negative or neutral feedback before the transaction is even complete, you're extorting feedback; or, more acurately, coercing the seller into something he didn't want to do. The simple mention of a negative, knowing that that is all the seller has to fear, is an implied threat.

He knew it, the seller knew it, and we all know it.

I completely agree; however, by eBay standards, there are two circumstances:

1. "I will leave you neg/neutral feedback because you did x, y, z...." - per eBay, contacting seller to inform of intent

and

2. "I will leave you neg/neutral feedback unless you do x, y, z..." - per eBay, extortion


It's silly, but that's how they rule on these kinds of cases because feedback correction is of little priority to them.

 

[homerun28aa]

There is no defending the buyer in this situation. The second you talk about negative or neutral feedback before the transaction is even complete, you're extorting feedback; or, more acurately, coercing the seller into something he didn't want to do. The simple mention of a negative, knowing that that is all the seller has to fear, is an implied threat.

He knew it, the seller knew it, and we all know it.

I agree with this for sure, it's not textbook extortion but if he wasn't trying to get anything out of the seller, why send him that message in the first place? He screwed himself out of a card he needed just because the buyer raised the price, which is absolutely absurd. The owner of a local LCS almost bought a t206 Honus Wagner in the late 60s or early 70s for $250, I wonder if he could go to that seller today and get the Wagner at that price. Ridiculous and then the buyer starts saying "the purpose of the message was so you can explain to me why you raised the price". Really? I didn't see that intention in his initial message whatsoever. I think the OP for sure scared the buyer with threatening to contact eBay. FINALLY, although this is border-line feedback extortion therefore a border-line violation of eBay policy (IMO it is), but there is no violation by the OP in letting us know about this scumbag buyer...therefore if the buyer leaves a neg just because the OP warned us about him it is unwarranted and should be removed. Save all the messages incase a neg does come.

 

[Keyser Soze]

From reading his responses it seems like you may have went a little overboard in your response to him.He doesn't seem like a ****** at all though.His Ebay views may be a little off but other than that he doesn't seem to bad.At least he let you know what he was going to do instead of surprising you.

Surely you can't be serious.

Of course I'm serious. And don't call me Shirley

 

[matfanofold]

I was going to post my thought but came to the conclusion that it was just as much a waste of time as it was for both the buyer and seller over a couple dollars...

 

[notjomommasclint]

From reading his responses it seems like you may have went a little overboard in your response to him.He doesn't seem like a ****** at all though.His Ebay views may be a little off but other than that he doesn't seem to bad.At least he let you know what he was going to do instead of surprising you.

I can't really agree with you here. There are two reasons he let Carl know up front of the neutral or negative.

1. The ability to gain the card at a price lower than what he agreed to. He did accept the offer which regardless of belief about higher price is a contract.

2. To attempt to sweeten the pot on a different auction or acquire freebies based on the perception of the upper hand!

I would have completed the sale, reported extortion, and moved on with hi blocked.

 

[hofmichael]

Surely you can't be serious.

Of course I'm serious. And don't call me Shirley

I am dead serious.From the buyers wording in his reply it is clear the seller made a few threats of his own.Two wrongs don't make it right.

 

[MansGame]

I am dead serious.From the buyers wording in his reply it is clear the seller made a few threats of his own.Two wrongs don't make it right.

The OP/seller posted his entire reply to the buyer. Do you read it? You could just point out exactly the points the seller made in his response that you think are threats or make you feel like he was in the wrong.

 

[sheetskout]

Thank you and blocked. What a hassle.

 

[homerun28aa]

I am dead serious.From the buyers wording in his reply it is clear the seller made a few threats of his own.Two wrongs don't make it right.

Some people on this board live to disagree with the other members when there is a clear consensus that someone is wrong...

#2:

By the way, the purpose of alerting you ahead of time was to give you a chance to respond before I went right to leaving neutral or negative feedback. I honestly had no idea that Cashner pitched well and that was the reason you raised your counteroffer. If you told me that, I would've understood that and would have left positive feedback.

I am just curious as to what you think about the buyer clearly lying about his "purpose" of contacting the buyer. You'd have to be pretty gullible to believe he messaged the seller as a common courtesy that he was going to leave a negative. It was backdoor extortion. If I was the seller, I would have written the guy a message at least 10 times nastier than the OP wrote back at him.

 

[markakis8]

I was going to post my thought but came to the conclusion that it was just as much a waste of time as it was for both the buyer and seller over a couple dollars...

You wasted just as much time posting this comment as I did informing others of this buyer. Don't try to throw your useless, shallow comments out there and make it seem like your the smartest one of them all. You do it all the time, quite frankly, it just never pertained to me to comment. You feel the need to post your opinion that you think separates yourself from everyone on this board but it just makes you look like a pompous ass.

My intention of this thread was to warn others of this ebay buyer and nothing more. I don't feel as if I wasted my time at all.

 

[markakis8]

I am dead serious.From the buyers wording in his reply it is clear the seller made a few threats of his own.Two wrongs don't make it right.

There were never any initiative "threats" in my one and only response. That's the key difference.

 

[matfanofold]

Am I correct in assuming that the additional $0.29 you countered with on the second ($6) offer was simply a F U? Or did you deduce that by his call up and performance that it actually warranted an additional $0.29 above the original $8.50 you countered with? I am honestly curious....?

 

[markakis8]

Am I correct in assuming that the additional $0.29 you countered with on the second ($6) offer was simply a F U? Or did you deduce that by his call up and performance that it actually warranted an additional $0.29 above the original $8.50 you countered with? I am honestly curious....?

Indulge me. How in the world did you come to the conclusion that my 29 cent bump from my previous counteroffer was a "F U" to the buyer? I stated my reasoning for my $8.79 counter offer. It had nothing to do with me getting an extra 29 cents. It simply is the typical and current counteroffer I throw out now on my $9.99 cards when someone offers me between $5 and $7.

Stop trying to find flaws in an individual's post to make yourself appear as if you the wise one when really, most of the time, you come across as an egotistical *******.

 

[jcmint]

seriously how in the heck can anyone side with the buyer.

thanks for the heads up he is blocked.

 

[homerun28aa]

Indulge me. How in the world did you come to the conclusion that my 29 cent bump from my previous counteroffer was a "F U" to the buyer? I stated my reasoning for my $8.79 counter offer. It had nothing to do with me getting an extra 29 cents. It simply is the typical and current counteroffer I throw out now on my $9.99 cards when someone offers me between $5 and $7.

Stop trying to find flaws in an individual's post to make yourself appear as if you the wise one when really, most of the time, you come across as an egotistical *******.

I am not trying to insult anyone and get in a quarrel with you because I haven't had an issue with you maybe markakis has. I just don't get why that $.29 is an issue, I think that the OP was fair, after guys pitch a one hitter some people will list commons for $20 hoping some sap will be foolish enough to pay for it. So the seller wanted $.29 more, the buyer AGREED to pay that and immediately unprovoked he is messaging saying he will leave a neutral or negative. If anything counter with $8.50! I honestly think if a seller counters you with $8.79 and as the buyer you counter with $8.50, you'll get it for $8.50 95% of the time! Instead he started some stupid argument now he doesn't have the card, the OP has saved messages proving feedback coercion if not extortion, and about 100 people with him on their block list. If you guys have an issue that's cool but siding with the buyer in this situation is kind of frustrating to read lol

 

[markakis8]

I am not trying to insult anyone and get in a quarrel with you because I haven't had an issue with you maybe markakis has. I just don't get why that $.29 is an issue, I think that the OP was fair, after guys pitch a one hitter some people will list commons for $20 hoping some sap will be foolish enough to pay for it. So the seller wanted $.29 more, the buyer AGREED to pay that and immediately unprovoked he is messaging saying he will leave a neutral or negative. If anything counter with $8.50! I honestly think if a seller counters you with $8.79 and as the buyer you counter with $8.50, you'll get it for $8.50 95% of the time! Instead he started some stupid argument now he doesn't have the card, the OP has saved messages proving feedback coercion if not extortion, and about 100 people with him on their block list. If you guys have an issue that's cool but siding with the buyer in this situation is kind of frustrating to read lol

It wasn't even that. I get hundreds of offers every day (I have close to 10,000 cards in my store ALL with BO options). I know if a buyer has previously made an offer, it shows up when they make an offer again, but I honestly don't pay attention to that. I look at the current offer they make and simply respond with my usual counteroffer based off their offer. I know approximately what I want to sell each card for, and that may change based on a player's current performance, but in this case, I was happy with around my previous counter offer. The 29 cent increase was nothing more than me doing my typical counteroffer at that time.

 

[joker8334]

I am the buyer. First off, I want to be clear there was no extortion. What was I trying to extort? I already paid for the item. Its not like I told him before I purchased it, that if he didnt give me a better price Id leave neg fb. Second, I made a mistake and admitted I was wrong. I had no idea how Cashner pitched. I needed the card to complete a set. I offered $5 at first (which I thought was fair since its selling for less than that on COMC and seller's card looks off-centered w/ smudged auto). He countered with $8.50, I then offered $7 and he countered with $8.79. I was on phone at time with someone and was like, WTF, this guy raised his counter? Im negotiating in good faith and he raises his counter??? We both thought the seller was being a ****** and f'ing with me. To raise his counter 29 cents seemed like a big FU to me. I WAS WRONG. I admitted that to him and everyone else.

I wanted the card, but wasnt happy with transaction and tried to contact buyer to let him know of my displeasure. I wasnt trying to get anything out of it, other than to let him know I thought he was playing games and wasnt cool. If it was a big FU, then I thought neutral fb was appropriate.

I'm not trying to play any cards here, but I have a learning disability and have a very difficult time expressing my thoughts into written words. (In school I was allowed to take oral exams over writing essays). I did not word my email as best I could, but the point I intended was to notify seller before leaving neg/neutral fb to find out why he raised his counter. When he said it was bc Cashner pitched well, I felt like an idiot bc he wasnt trying to mess with me, but had a legitimate reason. I was upset at his reaction and thought he was threatening/bullying me, but was glad I contacted him first bc I wouldve felt worse if I left neutral fb based on an incorrect assumption. I take fb seriously and would not leave neutral or neg w/o contacting seller first.

We all make mistakes and Im sure others have assumed something only to be wrong. I admit I was wrong. That is not backing down, that is realizing a mistake. I have since received several threatening messages thru ebay from members, which I dont think is right. If people dont want to transact with me, that is fine, I really dont care about being blocked. All I will say is that I can admit when Im wrong and I will always contact people to work it out directly with them before I leave feedback or have other people harass them. Between buying and selling I have made about 1,000 transactions on ebay. You can check my feedback left for others and see that in 750 items I have NEVER left negative feedback for anyone and only left neutral feedback once. There is nothing else I can do at this point but realize my mistake, learn from it and move on.

 

[budvandall]

BLOCKED this idiot

+1

 

[markakis8]

I'm not trying to play any cards here, but I have a learning disability and have a very difficult time expressing my thoughts into written words. (In school I was allowed to take oral exams over writing essays). I did not word my email as best I could, but the point I intended was to notify seller before leaving neg/neutral fb to find out why he raised his counter. When he said it was bc Cashner pitched well, I felt like an idiot bc he wasnt trying to mess with me, but had a legitimate reason. I was upset at his reaction and thought he was threatening/bullying me, but was glad I contacted him first bc I wouldve felt worse if I left neutral fb based on an incorrect assumption. I take fb seriously and would not leave neutral or neg w/o contacting seller first.

We all make mistakes and Im sure others have assumed something only to be wrong. I admit I was wrong. That is not backing down, that is realizing a mistake. I have since received several threatening messages thru ebay from members, which I dont think is right. If people dont want to transact with me, that is fine, I really dont care about being blocked. All I will say is that I can admit when Im wrong and I will always contact people to work it out directly with them before I leave feedback or have other people harass them. Between buying and selling I have made about 1,000 transactions on ebay. You can check my feedback left for others and see that in 750 items I have NEVER left negative feedback for anyone and only left neutral feedback once. There is nothing else I can do at this point but realize my mistake, learn from it and move on.

That was never my intent at all and I do not condone that. That is tactless.

 

[BunchOBull]

That was never my intent at all and I do not condone that. That is tactless.

This is the simple reason I never out any goofballs on eBay unless they are 100% scam artists. People like to insert themselves into situations they don't belong. It doesn't matter if the OP made it public, he was warning the forum of a questionable experience. I've never seen a situation like this not get intruded upon by a nameless bystander..."they" won't even fess up to contacting the opposite party in most cases.