how many cases of razor rookie retro were produced?

[JoshHamilton]

and ya know what, the world doesn't end at your city limits. You might think it does, and I can understand that. Hell, if I looked south and saw Jersey I would think it's the end of the world too.

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Hey now, I know i'm a midwesterner now but come on. NJ isnt that bad.

They gave the world Snooki. For that alone, they should be wiped off the face of the earth

 

[Jaypers]

They gave the world Bon Jovi. For that alone, they should be wiped off the face of the earth

 

[phillyfan0417]

and ya know what, the world doesn't end at your city limits. You might think it does, and I can understand that. Hell, if I looked south and saw Jersey I would think it's the end of the world too.

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Hey now, I know i'm a midwesterner now but come on. NJ isnt that bad.

They gave the world Snooki. For that alone, they should be wiped off the face of the earth

Snooki is from NY. I think only one person on that show is from NJ.

 

[cgilmo]

The fact remains that no matter how many cases were produced, it sold out quickly and the supply didn't meet the demand so people are interested in purchasing the product. Certain stores may or may not, but few stores in America all order the same things anyway. It's plausible that certain distributors didn't order it, but it doesn't negate the interest implied by a quick sell-out.

Could more cases have been produced? It certainly seems like it.

Thats fair enough, but now I swear this may appear to be a douchie question but I have to ask and it s not my intentions. Dont nearly every product sell out? Why is it constantly toted around here by people as if thats the end all be all, I am pretty sure AG sold out the past 2 years and they have been the weakest product and is mass produced. What was the last product not to sell out? And wasn't that just because they made massive amounts of it?

On most products, manufacturers ANNOUNCE that it's a sell out.

However, there's almost always a ton of the product somewhere in the supply chain.

 

[jubei777]

my lcs said that it got pushed out to Friday. anyone else confirm this?

 

[Casebusters]

My tracking number shows its coming here on Sep 1st

 

[maxpower]

[quote="Leaf":2t1xeqeq][quote="GAbballplayer148":2t1xeqeq]I thought I read somewhere that only 299 cases were being produced, with 6 boxes per case, meaning 1794 boxes/packs/cards.

This was speculated by a poster on a thread when we announced this.
I immedately came on and said that we were not announcing a print run.
I can say there are more than 299. However, we sold out quite easily so I would expect the qty produced was just right.
BG

LOL.
How PC of you.

So another words, no clue if there are 50 Ripkens, or 4 Ripkens.
Still recycled blah.
At the pricing, unless you like wasting your hard earned money on coke, hookers, and cards, you are better off just buying the card you want on line.
Just my 2 pesos.

Good Luck to those "fortunate" gamblers. Enjoy the coke.

As someone who bought two cases direct, I am pretty disappointed with that answer as well. Very weak.

Guys,
This is no "defense of razor" post by a moderator, just making that clear from the start.

Razor Rookie Retro has always been a repackaged product where the only one guaranteed to make bank is Brian Gray. But how is that different than any other product? The only one guaranteed to make money is the manufacturer. You take the good with the bad. BG hasn't stated the total run, perhaps that opens him to make more, but I'm guessing that he's done. Who cares what the odds are on that single Strasburg Super or the Heyward super, or the Michael Jordan Rookies, or the Durant Rookie Autos, and so on and so on. He's already given you 90% of the info. He's already said the worst case is $500 to $600 return...which is about a 60% loss. If you opened every case you'd lose 30% of your money. He already stated that his cost was 80% of wholesale, wholesale was probably around 200, maybe a little higher. So if you're paying $220 to $225 a pack, then it's about a 30% loss across the whole run. This is already known. This product is a gamble in a slightly different way than a new release product in that the value of each card is really already determined, prices fluctuate, and with strasburg going down, these cases will yield even less value than what BG put into it. Sure, Posey's have gone up, some others have as well, but the Strasburg probably wouldn't sell for $10K at this point, and that is half it's previous value. (waiting for BG to come in and say he'd buy it back for that price). All this to say, there is no reason to whine and moan about this product, it is what it is. If you want a ticket for a chance at a card you couldn't afford, then you gotta pony up 2 bills, otherwise, sit back and watch most people get hosed and a few people get really lucky.

I agree with most of what you say, but I still think it's a HUGE leap of faith for someone to just take BG at his word that he's not going to water down the product by producing more. A similar leap of faith is required to trust that the "minimum return" will be $500.

I'm not that familiar with the personal relationships on FCB, so perhaps you know something that I don't, but as just an average collector, I'm concerned about the lack of transparency. As you say, Brian Gray has given us most of the relevant information. However, I'm not sure what the purpose of hiding the print run is. I don't believe Brian has ever addressed the reasoning, but I'd welcome an honest explanation.

Don't take this as a blanket condemnation of Razor/Leaf or the product. I love the idea of this product and have defended the concept in previous posts. I just think the open-ended print run is a big red flag.[/quote:2t1xeqeq]

Thanks for the post. I am not sure how to say this, so I will try the most direct aproach:
We are done producing this item. We are not making anymore and we are not buying any additional cards for this project.
It is not an open ended print run.

The reasoning you request is simple. Typically, we number the cases of all products produced 299 and less. These are ridiculously limited by today's standards and deserve numbering. On the other hand, many companies produce 500 case runs these days on select products. Thus, if I were making 400-500 cases, why would I number.

Again, I hope you guys understand that most companies NEVER tell you print runs. I personally dont find this reason for alarm. They are businesses and how much 2010 Bowman Chrome Baseball Topps is making is not our (yes, I collect/invest/break this) business. They will probably make 5000+ cases. If they #'ered cases, market would freak out.

If we ever announce print run, we will number cases.
In this case, production is over 299, thus no numbering.
Its not like we made 800 cases, lol.....

Hope this helps, but we have given as much transparency as I think should be reasonably expected.
BG[/quote:2t1xeqeq]

Thanks for the response, Brian. Even if I don't agree with your reasoning, I give you credit for at least addressing your critics. Topps and UD should take note.

It's good to hear that it's not an open ended print run... that puts one major concern to rest. Still, it sounds from your post that there could be 400 or 500 cases (more than 299, but not 800). There's nothing wrong with that, but it certainly changes the attractiveness of the product for anyone who actually cares to calculate the odds of hitting one of the better cards in the product.

As far as transparency goes, I understand your reasoning and I appreciate you being upfront about it. You're right that you're certainly no worse than Topps or Upper Deck, but in the end, it still just boils down to trying to create a greater impression of scarcity than is actually there. People would 'freak out' if they found out there were 600 cases, and rightfully so. But it's completely your prerogative and I can definitely understand the reasons behind it. I still think complete transparency is best for the consumer, but sometimes the proverbial sausage maker has to keep some secrets or he'll sell a lot less sausage.

It will be interesting to see the breaks. This is the first Razor/Leaf product I've followed, so it will definitely make an impression on me with regard to how well the promise matches up with the delivery. Whatever happens, congratulations on an innovative product.