Is Albert Pujols the Greatest Hitter of All-Time?

[Pete14Rose]

pete14rose, seems all you want to do is contradict what i say. i stand by what i said but ill state it differently in case i confused you. i know lots of people did it then and understand most of them did. i wish more players since the korean war would have done it. more people (players included) should serve in the military. im glad ted williams gave up his time to serve his country, very honorable.

Not looking to contradict you at all. You're doing s fine job of it all by yourself. You seem to have a knack of making comment/remarks that contradict actual facts. I am merely pointing out the actual facts to you.

You say you wish more would have served back then. I assume "back then" meant WWII and the Korean war. I provided you a list of however many hundred MLB players actually did serve during WWII alone. How many more would you have wanted to serve? The entire league top to bottom? In context to the actual facts of how many did serve, your remark was ridiculous. Sorry, just a fact.

I haven't even listed all that served in the Korean War, let alone those that pulled double duty in WWII and Korea.


Now you say you wish more would have served from then to now? In what? The Vietnam conflict? Do I need to pull out history and provide you with the number of soldiers we lost in a "war" we should have never been involved in to begin with? Or maybe you meant right now in Iraq? You honestly believe we belong there as well and that professional athletes should run to enlist?


All I ask is that you think before you type and perhaps use Google to look up a few facts now and again to have a better grasp on a few details before you remark on them.

That's all.

 

[Wes]

pete14rose, seems all you want to do is contradict what i say. i stand by what i said but ill state it differently in case i confused you. i know lots of people did it then and understand most of them did. i wish more players since the korean war would have done it. more people (players included) should serve in the military. im glad ted williams gave up his time to serve his country, very honorable.

I read a fun fact that when the U.S. entered WWII, 98% of the professional baseball players enlisted. Really speaks to the charactor of that generation.

Amazing. I will say however that if, and I hope this doesn't happen, there was a WWIII, many would rise to the occasion from this generation as well.

 

[abncollectsautos]

pete14rose, seems all you want to do is contradict what i say. i stand by what i said but ill state it differently in case i confused you. i know lots of people did it then and understand most of them did. i wish more players since the korean war would have done it. more people (players included) should serve in the military. im glad ted williams gave up his time to serve his country, very honorable.

I read a fun fact that when the U.S. entered WWII, 98% of the professional baseball players enlisted. Really speaks to the charactor of that generation.

i admitted i was wrong, i was more commenting how more players and just plain americans should do it now

 

[scotty21690]

I can't put Bonds on my list because of the whole roids thing. I just can't.


With that said Teddy Ballgame has a higher: Batting Average, BB/K ratio, OBP, SLG%, OPS than Bonds, and that's with missing nearly 5 seasons...he was incredible.

I know Scotty doesn't like Rose on my list, but I've gotta put him there.


Top 5 in no particular order:

Cobb
Rose
Williams
Gwynn
Carew

You have Cobb and Williams on your list, so you are excused.

im not to smart on some of the vintage players. quick question, how many times did cobb hit 400? several wasnt it?

3 times over .400 and 6 times over .380.....9 times with 200+ hits, man could hit

 

[wolfmanalfredo]

Greatest hitter all time

well since Bonds' name was been brought up ill take him as the greatest hitter of all time for the years 2001 , 2002, 2003, 2004. Ruth's greatest stretch was not better then Bonds'. Steroid induced? Yes. But the stats all count. During this stretch Bonds was the greatest hitter of all time. If they actually pitched to him in 01 and 02 he could have hit 100 Homeruns.

Bonds during this run would break the all time base on balls record held by Ruth of 170. Bonds had 177 in 01
198 in 02
232 in 04 and 120 that were intentional.
If they pitched to him he would have EASILY hit 70 HR every season and would have had 100 one of those years. That how insane he was. Ruth was GREAT and he was a LEGEND, but they NEVER intentionally walked Ruth with the Bases Loaded but They did for Bonds.

I don't see how you can call Bonds the greatest hitter of all-time and then add the caveat that you are looking only at 4 isolated years.

He had some of the greatest seasons in history. Yes.
He was one of the most feared hitters of all-time. Yes.
He was walked intentionally with the bases loaded in a 2-run game. Yes.

But, if you look at his numbers career-wide, he doesn't compare as a hitter to Ruth or Williams or any hitters on that level. Perhaps, he should've won 4 straight MVP's. Perhaps, he would've had a few more homeruns if he had a lineup around him and if he didn't have to bat at Candlestick. But, I still don't think he is close to the top 5 best hitters ever.

Now, I do think he is one of the greatest (perhaps THE greatest) all-around player to play the game when you factor in Gold Gloves and speed. But, that's a separate conversation.

Very well put, especially the last paragraph.

 

[abncollectsautos]

pete14rose, seems all you want to do is contradict what i say. i stand by what i said but ill state it differently in case i confused you. i know lots of people did it then and understand most of them did. i wish more players since the korean war would have done it. more people (players included) should serve in the military. im glad ted williams gave up his time to serve his country, very honorable.

Not looking to contradict you at all. You're doing s fine job of it all by yourself. You seem to have a knack of making comment/remarks that contradict actual facts. I am merely pointing out the actual facts to you.

You say you wish more would have served back then. I assume "back then" meant WWII and the Korean war. I provided you a list of however many hundred MLB players actually did serve during WWII alone. How many more would you have wanted to serve? The entire league top to bottom? In context to the actual facts of how many did serve, your remark was ridiculous. Sorry, just a fact.

I haven't even listed all that served in the Korean War, let alone those that pulled double duty in WWII and Korea.


Now you say you wish more would have served from then to now? In what? The Vietnam conflict? Do I need to pull out history and provide you with the number of soldiers we lost in a "war" we should have never been involved in to begin with? Or maybe you meant right now in Iraq? You honestly believe we belong there as well and that professional athletes should run to enlist?


All I ask is that you think before you type and perhaps use Google to look up a few facts now and again to have a better grasp on a few details before you remark on them.

That's all.

sure, pick on the soldier. have you served? anyway i admitted i was wrong. im so sorry that i made a mistake. please dont kill me

 

[bkdlots]

It's Babe Ruth, and I don't see anyone topping him. Even now I would put A-Rod ahead of Pujols.

Take away five years of Ruth's prime stats and Williams is the man.

 

[wolfmanalfredo]

pete14rose, seems all you want to do is contradict what i say. i stand by what i said but ill state it differently in case i confused you. i know lots of people did it then and understand most of them did. i wish more players since the korean war would have done it. more people (players included) should serve in the military. im glad ted williams gave up his time to serve his country, very honorable.

I read a fun fact that when the U.S. entered WWII, 98% of the professional baseball players enlisted. Really speaks to the charactor of that generation.

i admitted i was wrong, i was more commenting how more players and just plain americans should do it now

I'm not disregarding what you said at all. I don't know why you said you're wrong, but it just reminded me of that fact I read a while back. I doubt there would be 1% of MLB players that would enlist nowadays

 

[abncollectsautos]

I can't put Bonds on my list because of the whole roids thing. I just can't.


With that said Teddy Ballgame has a higher: Batting Average, BB/K ratio, OBP, SLG%, OPS than Bonds, and that's with missing nearly 5 seasons...he was incredible.

I know Scotty doesn't like Rose on my list, but I've gotta put him there.


Top 5 in no particular order:

Cobb
Rose
Williams
Gwynn
Carew

You have Cobb and Williams on your list, so you are excused.

im not to smart on some of the vintage players. quick question, how many times did cobb hit 400? several wasnt it?

3 times over .400 and 6 times over .380.....9 times with 200+ hits, man could hit

wow i didnt know that, thats very impresive. makes me think about my choice of ted williams

 

[Pete14Rose]

pete14rose, seems all you want to do is contradict what i say. i stand by what i said but ill state it differently in case i confused you. i know lots of people did it then and understand most of them did. i wish more players since the korean war would have done it. more people (players included) should serve in the military. im glad ted williams gave up his time to serve his country, very honorable.

Not looking to contradict you at all. You're doing s fine job of it all by yourself. You seem to have a knack of making comment/remarks that contradict actual facts. I am merely pointing out the actual facts to you.

You say you wish more would have served back then. I assume "back then" meant WWII and the Korean war. I provided you a list of however many hundred MLB players actually did serve during WWII alone. How many more would you have wanted to serve? The entire league top to bottom? In context to the actual facts of how many did serve, your remark was ridiculous. Sorry, just a fact.

I haven't even listed all that served in the Korean War, let alone those that pulled double duty in WWII and Korea.


Now you say you wish more would have served from then to now? In what? The Vietnam conflict? Do I need to pull out history and provide you with the number of soldiers we lost in a "war" we should have never been involved in to begin with? Or maybe you meant right now in Iraq? You honestly believe we belong there as well and that professional athletes should run to enlist?


All I ask is that you think before you type and perhaps use Google to look up a few facts now and again to have a better grasp on a few details before you remark on them.

That's all.

sure, pick on the soldier. have you served? anyway i admitted i was wrong. im so sorry that i made a mistake. please dont kill me

I'm surely not picking on any soldier. And yes, I have served and am a veteran (Gulf). All I'm saying is that in light of what we know to be true many enlisted for WWII and Korea...which, as was said, was a sign of the times. As for today, we have too many soldiers in a foreign land for non-essential reason. That is the nicest way I can put it.

 

[abncollectsautos]

pete14rose, seems all you want to do is contradict what i say. i stand by what i said but ill state it differently in case i confused you. i know lots of people did it then and understand most of them did. i wish more players since the korean war would have done it. more people (players included) should serve in the military. im glad ted williams gave up his time to serve his country, very honorable.

I read a fun fact that when the U.S. entered WWII, 98% of the professional baseball players enlisted. Really speaks to the charactor of that generation.

i admitted i was wrong, i was more commenting how more players and just plain americans should do it now

I'm not disregarding what you said at all. I don't know why you said you're wrong, but it just reminded me of that fact I read a while back. I doubt there would be 1% of MLB players that would enlist nowadays

im active duty and i would agree. but if there was a third world war, i think alot would volunteer.

 

[Pete14Rose]

pete14rose, seems all you want to do is contradict what i say. i stand by what i said but ill state it differently in case i confused you. i know lots of people did it then and understand most of them did. i wish more players since the korean war would have done it. more people (players included) should serve in the military. im glad ted williams gave up his time to serve his country, very honorable.

I read a fun fact that when the U.S. entered WWII, 98% of the professional baseball players enlisted. Really speaks to the charactor of that generation.

i admitted i was wrong, i was more commenting how more players and just plain americans should do it now

I'm not disregarding what you said at all. I don't know why you said you're wrong, but it just reminded me of that fact I read a while back. I doubt there would be 1% of MLB players that would enlist nowadays

im active duty and i would agree. but if there was a third world war, i think alot would volunteer.

I hope that would be true. I for one would re-enlist.

 

[abncollectsautos]

pete14rose, seems all you want to do is contradict what i say. i stand by what i said but ill state it differently in case i confused you. i know lots of people did it then and understand most of them did. i wish more players since the korean war would have done it. more people (players included) should serve in the military. im glad ted williams gave up his time to serve his country, very honorable.

Not looking to contradict you at all. You're doing s fine job of it all by yourself. You seem to have a knack of making comment/remarks that contradict actual facts. I am merely pointing out the actual facts to you.

You say you wish more would have served back then. I assume "back then" meant WWII and the Korean war. I provided you a list of however many hundred MLB players actually did serve during WWII alone. How many more would you have wanted to serve? The entire league top to bottom? In context to the actual facts of how many did serve, your remark was ridiculous. Sorry, just a fact.

I haven't even listed all that served in the Korean War, let alone those that pulled double duty in WWII and Korea.


Now you say you wish more would have served from then to now? In what? The Vietnam conflict? Do I need to pull out history and provide you with the number of soldiers we lost in a "war" we should have never been involved in to begin with? Or maybe you meant right now in Iraq? You honestly believe we belong there as well and that professional athletes should run to enlist?


All I ask is that you think before you type and perhaps use Google to look up a few facts now and again to have a better grasp on a few details before you remark on them.

That's all.

sure, pick on the soldier. have you served? anyway i admitted i was wrong. im so sorry that i made a mistake. please dont kill me

I'm surely not picking on any soldier. And yes, I have served and am a veteran (Gulf). All I'm saying is that in light of what we know to be true many enlisted for WWII and Korea...which, as was said, was a sign of the times. As for today, we have too many soldiers in a foreign land for non-essential reason. That is the nicest way I can put it.

well thanks for your outstanding service. what was you mos? and as for the foreign land for non-essential reasons, lets just say that is an opinion alot of americans have. but not me

 

[MOFNY]

pete14rose, seems all you want to do is contradict what i say. i stand by what i said but ill state it differently in case i confused you. i know lots of people did it then and understand most of them did. i wish more players since the korean war would have done it. more people (players included) should serve in the military. im glad ted williams gave up his time to serve his country, very honorable.

I read a fun fact that when the U.S. entered WWII, 98% of the professional baseball players enlisted. Really speaks to the charactor of that generation.

i admitted i was wrong, i was more commenting how more players and just plain americans should do it now

Or...they weren't making a fraction of what they make today. I hate to say it but money is what makes the world go round. 27-year-old players are protecting multi-million dollar contracts. But you are right...if they went off to war it would be mainly about character, because it would be a terrible career move. This is not a shot at any people in the military. This is just a comment on how things have changed.

 

[scotty21690]

I can't put Bonds on my list because of the whole roids thing. I just can't.


With that said Teddy Ballgame has a higher: Batting Average, BB/K ratio, OBP, SLG%, OPS than Bonds, and that's with missing nearly 5 seasons...he was incredible.

I'll add these World Series stats:

G AB R H 2B 3B HR GS RBI BB IBB SO SH SF HBP GIDP AVG OBP SLG
7 25 2 5 0 0 0 0 1 5 1 5 0 0 0 0 .200 .333 .200

G AB R H 2B 3B HR GS RBI BB IBB SO SH SF HBP GIDP AVG OBP SLG
7 17 8 8 2 0 4 0 6 13 7 3 0 0 0 0 .471 .700 1.294

For those who say Bonds isn't the guy they would want up there game seven of the world series bases loaded two outs down by one.

Neat. Too bad those #'s didn't help win the WS

And too bad his career playoff #'s looked like this: .245 .433 .503

But I'd rather take Jimmie Foxx who has 64 WS AB's and looks like this: .344 .425 .609 with 2 WS championships

 

[fengzhang]

It's Babe Ruth, and I don't see anyone topping him. Even now I would put A-Rod ahead of Pujols.

Arod is not close to Pujols.

Ever wonder why Barry Bonds had as many intentional walks in 1992-93 as Arod does in his ENTIRE career?

1. Arod has always played with ridiculous protection around him whether we're talking Mariners, Rangers, or Yankees.

2. Managers realize they can get him out in critical situations. He has a lot of holes in his swing and strikes out a fair amount.

Despite the advantages of small ballparks and great lineups, Arod's career averages stand at .306/.389/.578. Good numbers for sure but sizably worse than Pujols in every statistical category along with way more strikeouts. Arod's production is essentially the equivalent of a pre-steriod Bonds. The only difference is that Bonds was walked 120 times a year (deflating his totals) while Arod got 620 at-bats every year.

 

[Pete14Rose]

pete14rose, seems all you want to do is contradict what i say. i stand by what i said but ill state it differently in case i confused you. i know lots of people did it then and understand most of them did. i wish more players since the korean war would have done it. more people (players included) should serve in the military. im glad ted williams gave up his time to serve his country, very honorable.

Not looking to contradict you at all. You're doing s fine job of it all by yourself. You seem to have a knack of making comment/remarks that contradict actual facts. I am merely pointing out the actual facts to you.

You say you wish more would have served back then. I assume "back then" meant WWII and the Korean war. I provided you a list of however many hundred MLB players actually did serve during WWII alone. How many more would you have wanted to serve? The entire league top to bottom? In context to the actual facts of how many did serve, your remark was ridiculous. Sorry, just a fact.

I haven't even listed all that served in the Korean War, let alone those that pulled double duty in WWII and Korea.


Now you say you wish more would have served from then to now? In what? The Vietnam conflict? Do I need to pull out history and provide you with the number of soldiers we lost in a "war" we should have never been involved in to begin with? Or maybe you meant right now in Iraq? You honestly believe we belong there as well and that professional athletes should run to enlist?


All I ask is that you think before you type and perhaps use Google to look up a few facts now and again to have a better grasp on a few details before you remark on them.

That's all.

sure, pick on the soldier. have you served? anyway i admitted i was wrong. im so sorry that i made a mistake. please dont kill me

I'm surely not picking on any soldier. And yes, I have served and am a veteran (Gulf). All I'm saying is that in light of what we know to be true many enlisted for WWII and Korea...which, as was said, was a sign of the times. As for today, we have too many soldiers in a foreign land for non-essential reason. That is the nicest way I can put it.

well thanks for your outstanding service. what was you mos? and as for the foreign land for non-essential reasons, lets just say that is an opinion alot of americans have. but not me

MOS was 54-B (since reclassified to 70 something) ... I was NBC.

 

[scotty21690]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/cobbty01.shtml[/url]

Which brings me back to saying this:

Best hitter: Ty Cobb

Best power hitter: Babe Ruth

Best overall hitter: Ted Williams

 

[abncollectsautos]

pete14rose, seems all you want to do is contradict what i say. i stand by what i said but ill state it differently in case i confused you. i know lots of people did it then and understand most of them did. i wish more players since the korean war would have done it. more people (players included) should serve in the military. im glad ted williams gave up his time to serve his country, very honorable.

I read a fun fact that when the U.S. entered WWII, 98% of the professional baseball players enlisted. Really speaks to the charactor of that generation.

i admitted i was wrong, i was more commenting how more players and just plain americans should do it now

Or...they weren't making a fraction of what they make today. I hate to say it but money is what makes the world go round. 27-year-old players are protecting multi-million dollar contracts. But you are right...if they went off to war it would be mainly about character, because it would be a terrible career move. This is not a shot at any people in the military. This is just a comment on how things have changed.

oh i agree with that.there are alot of players who are young and make millions. most wouldnt give that up. but i guess we will have to wait and see

 

[MOFNY]

It's Babe Ruth, and I don't see anyone topping him. Even now I would put A-Rod ahead of Pujols.

Arod is not close to Pujols.

Ever wonder why Barry Bonds had as many intentional walks in 1992-93 as Arod does in his ENTIRE career?

1. Arod has always played with ridiculous protection around him whether we're talking Mariners, Rangers, or Yankees.

2. Managers realize they can get him out in critical situations. He has a lot of holes in his swing and strikes out a fair amount.

Despite the advantages of small ballparks and great lineups, Arod's career averages stand at .306/.389/.578. Good numbers for sure but sizably worse than Pujols in every statistical category along with way more strikeouts. Arod's production is essentially the equivalent of a pre-steriod Bonds. The only difference is that Bonds was walked 120 times a year (deflating his totals) while Arod got 620 at-bats every year.

I will go back on what I said and agree with you. Took a look at the numbers, and was surprised at how Pujols really has the edge in important categories. In fact I thought A-Rod had the edge in OPS...I was wrong :?