Possibly most Misinformed collector EVER!!! watch this Vid

[RL24]

Re: Possibly the dumbest collector EVER!!! gotta watch this Vid

In all fairness, PSA doesn't know what was in them. The company was dead on with their identification. The problem comes when people turn into doctors to alter these things. It's not always pushing patches through the window (which could be solved with a simple plastic cover). Sometimes the faker splits the card front from back.

I still don't believe in this. I won't believe it until somebody shows me. Won't somebody give it a shot? I had to do all the work last time, when people didn't believe it was possible to remove a swatch and replace it with a patch.


I started with these awesome ingredients

I created this super awesome and very game used washcloth

That was the hardest part of the project, the iron on patch. It was super cheap though, and I didn't want to make a convincing fake, more of a funny one...


A little bit of magic

Voila!

There were lots of kids on the Topps message boards who just didn't believe it could be done, and I didn't mind spending less than $10 and less than 10 minutes on this project. That's because I knew without a doubt that it could be done and would be easy. I don't want to waste the time or money proving that you can split a card in half, swap the patch, and then glue it back together, simply because I do not believe it can be done. I need somebody to prove me wrong, who's the man for the job? Adam?

 

[subpop77]

Re: Possibly the dumbest collector EVER!!! gotta watch this Vid

That is probably, hands down, the best patch collection I have ever seen. Thanks for posting this video. That guy must have worked long and hard to get a collection that nice. Truly beautiful and are all PSA graded none the less!

::facepalm:: why would you say that!! :?

 

[ChasHawk]

Re: Possibly the dumbest collector EVER!!! gotta watch this Vid

Another reason that leads me to believe he is some how involved in the making of said patch cards is because he continues to emphasize how these cards are numbered to up to 400 and that doesnt matter. e is trying to get people to believe that they are real, so he can sell them on the market for more. He keeps flipping to the back of the cards to show us that the cards are numbered so high.
ANother thing is he skips over a bunch of cards. If he were showing off his PC< he would not skip cards......

Thanks Sherlock.

Give the kid a break, B. Its his 1st day back. :lol:

No quarter!

 

[Field Level View]

Re: Possibly the dumbest collector EVER!!! gotta watch this Vid

I emailed both Scott Prusha at Donruss and PSA to get feedback on this.

 

[subject to change]

Re: Possibly the dumbest collector EVER!!! gotta watch this Vid

For example, a CC Sabathia card with a Jackie Robinson anniversary patch is simply impossible. CC was still in high school when that patch was worn.

I can't see the video from work, so I don't know what this particular Robinson patch looks like. I have several CC GU cards with a Robinson patch though... are you saying they are fake? From a quick google search I found out there are different patches, I saw 42 years and 50 years... so maybe you know this one is fake because of the years? Just curious...

The Jackie Robinson 50th Anniversary commemorative patch has a pretty distinct look and color scheme. The patch was worn in '97, when Sabathia was still in high school. There are more recent patches from baseball's annual Jackie Robinson day that presumably could have made it into legitimate cards.

 

[subject to change]

Re: Possibly the dumbest collector EVER!!! gotta watch this Vid

I emailed both Scott Prusha at Donruss and PSA to get feedback on this.

I really wish Donruss had continued placing pictures on the back of the card of the jersey that was used to create the swatches. It wouldn't have stopped all fakes, but it certainly would have made it a lot easier for the average collector to identity some of these super-prime logo and commemorative patches as fakes.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Re: Possibly the dumbest collector EVER!!! gotta watch this Vid

One thing that Brian Gray of Razor claimed that he was doing/would do -- perhaps he has done it already, I don't know, is a very, very simple thing.

Scan/take pictures of all of the cards.

I can't believe that Donruss/Topps/UD can't do this. Take an unpaid intern - or even a minimum wage earning drone - and either take digital pictures with a camera, or scan, every single card that is not a plain white jersey -- and catalog it! Either an online catalog so that everyone can see the potential cards that are outstanding or at least have it on file so whereas if a customer calls about the legitimacy of a card, a CS person could pull up the file and say that "x player does not have any patch autographs in this product".

It can't take more than a few hours -- maybe $100-200 in salary, total -- and a nice advertising piece (especially with UD and Donruss on facebook) and a way to instill consumer confidence.


As for the subject of the original post... It is pretty evident that this guy has the equivalent of the gross national product of some small countries tied up in his fake patch cards, and does not want to believe that he has been taken as a fool for tens of thousands of dollars. I can't blame him for lashing out.

That being said, I feel bad for him. His world is crashing down as it is evident that those cards are his babies. His babies are fake. I wouldn't be surprised if never buys another card again.

 

[RL24]

Re: Possibly the dumbest collector EVER!!! gotta watch this Vid

[quote="subject to change":1qbzw6by]
For example, a CC Sabathia card with a Jackie Robinson anniversary patch is simply impossible. CC was still in high school when that patch was worn.

I can't see the video from work, so I don't know what this particular Robinson patch looks like. I have several CC GU cards with a Robinson patch though... are you saying they are fake? From a quick google search I found out there are different patches, I saw 42 years and 50 years... so maybe you know this one is fake because of the years? Just curious...

The Jackie Robinson 50th Anniversary commemorative patch has a pretty distinct look and color scheme. The patch was worn in '97, when Sabathia was still in high school. There are more recent patches from baseball's annual Jackie Robinson day that presumably could have made it into legitimate cards.[/quote:1qbzw6by]

Thanks! Maybe I'll try to scan mine someday...

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

Re: Possibly the dumbest collector EVER!!! gotta watch this Vid

Card companies seem to want the least amount of accountability possible. Once they start doing what you propose below, collectors will start to demand other things... All these changes will start to affect their bottom line.

But with this said, a new card company might find a niche doing what you propose and a few other things...

One thing that Brian Gray of Razor claimed that he was doing/would do -- perhaps he has done it already, I don't know, is a very, very simple thing.

Scan/take pictures of all of the cards.

I can't believe that Donruss/Topps/UD can't do this. Take an unpaid intern - or even a minimum wage earning drone - and either take digital pictures with a camera, or scan, every single card that is not a plain white jersey -- and catalog it! Either an online catalog so that everyone can see the potential cards that are outstanding or at least have it on file so whereas if a customer calls about the legitimacy of a card, a CS person could pull up the file and say that "x player does not have any patch autographs in this product".

It can't take more than a few hours -- maybe $100-200 in salary, total -- and a nice advertising piece (especially with UD and Donruss on facebook) and a way to instill consumer confidence.


As for the subject of the original post... It is pretty evident that this guy has the equivalent of the gross national product of some small countries tied up in his fake patch cards, and does not want to believe that he has been taken as a fool for tens of thousands of dollars. I can't blame him for lashing out.

That being said, I feel bad for him. His world is crashing down as it is evident that those cards are his babies. His babies are fake. I wouldn't be surprised if never buys another card again.

 

[HPC]

Re: Possibly the dumbest collector EVER!!! gotta watch this Vid

Sorry but after the countless people telling this guy to do research and how they are probably, and he still wont do it, he deserves to be scammed

 

[ChasHawk]

Re: Possibly the dumbest collector EVER!!! gotta watch this Vid

If I remember correctly, UD announced long ago that they would be doing this with the current "The Cup" hockey set.

One thing that Brian Gray of Razor claimed that he was doing/would do -- perhaps he has done it already, I don't know, is a very, very simple thing.

Scan/take pictures of all of the cards.

I can't believe that Donruss/Topps/UD can't do this. Take an unpaid intern - or even a minimum wage earning drone - and either take digital pictures with a camera, or scan, every single card that is not a plain white jersey -- and catalog it! Either an online catalog so that everyone can see the potential cards that are outstanding or at least have it on file so whereas if a customer calls about the legitimacy of a card, a CS person could pull up the file and say that "x player does not have any patch autographs in this product".

It can't take more than a few hours -- maybe $100-200 in salary, total -- and a nice advertising piece (especially with UD and Donruss on facebook) and a way to instill consumer confidence.


As for the subject of the original post... It is pretty evident that this guy has the equivalent of the gross national product of some small countries tied up in his fake patch cards, and does not want to believe that he has been taken as a fool for tens of thousands of dollars. I can't blame him for lashing out.

That being said, I feel bad for him. His world is crashing down as it is evident that those cards are his babies. His babies are fake. I wouldn't be surprised if never buys another card again.

 

[tribefan2427]

Re: Possibly the dumbest collector EVER!!! gotta watch this Vid

Sorry but after the countless people telling this guy to do research and how they are probably, and he still wont do it, he deserves to be scammed

got to agree. if your that stupid to buy all of those. you kidna deserve it

 

[xcantgobackx]

Re: Possibly the dumbest collector EVER!!! gotta watch this Vid

Someone should save this video in case it gets pulled for some reason, we'll always have it as a reference point or just to laugh at.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Re: Possibly the dumbest collector EVER!!! gotta watch this Vid

In all fairness, PSA doesn't know what was in them. The company was dead on with their identification. The problem comes when people turn into doctors to alter these things. It's not always pushing patches through the window (which could be solved with a simple plastic cover). Sometimes the faker splits the card front from back.

I still don't believe in this. I won't believe it until somebody shows me. Won't somebody give it a shot? I had to do all the work last time, when people didn't believe it was possible to remove a swatch and replace it with a patch.


I started with these awesome ingredients

I created this super awesome and very game used washcloth

That was the hardest part of the project, the iron on patch. It was super cheap though, and I didn't want to make a convincing fake, more of a funny one...


A little bit of magic

Voila!

There were lots of kids on the Topps message boards who just didn't believe it could be done, and I didn't mind spending less than $10 and less than 10 minutes on this project. That's because I knew without a doubt that it could be done and would be easy. I don't want to waste the time or money proving that you can split a card in half, swap the patch, and then glue it back together, simply because I do not believe it can be done. I need somebody to prove me wrong, who's the man for the job? Adam?

You absolutely MUST send that to PSA to see if they will slab it.

 

[i43770]

Re: Possibly the dumbest collector EVER!!! gotta watch this Vid

[quote="subject to change":3qhb0gs5]
For example, a CC Sabathia card with a Jackie Robinson anniversary patch is simply impossible. CC was still in high school when that patch was worn.

I can't see the video from work, so I don't know what this particular Robinson patch looks like. I have several CC GU cards with a Robinson patch though... are you saying they are fake? From a quick google search I found out there are different patches, I saw 42 years and 50 years... so maybe you know this one is fake because of the years? Just curious...

The Jackie Robinson 50th Anniversary commemorative patch has a pretty distinct look and color scheme. The patch was worn in '97, when Sabathia was still in high school. There are more recent patches from baseball's annual Jackie Robinson day that presumably could have made it into legitimate cards.

Thanks! Maybe I'll try to scan mine someday...[/quote:3qhb0gs5]

Here is what the 50th Anniversary patch looks like from 1997:

Here is the card I was referring to:

 

[trademhigh]

Re: Possibly the dumbest collector EVER!!! gotta watch this Vid

"A lot of people tell me that their collection is better than mine and then... I show them my collection and they pretty much shut up at that point."
I think they are shutting up because they feel so bad for this guy.
He's too arrogant to realize that all of those cards are clearly fake; I really feel for him.

Edit- I just started looking at the bottom to see if any were real (I didn't start from the beginning, so there could be a few before). The Carlos Delgado (I think) card at 3:20 appears to be real:

As well as these:

 

[ChasHawk]

Re: Possibly the dumbest collector EVER!!! gotta watch this Vid

"A lot of people tell me that their collection is better than mine and then... I show them my collection and they pretty much shut up at that point."
I think they are shutting up because they feel so bad for this guy.
He's too arrogant to realize that all of those cards are clearly fake; I really feel for him.

Edit- I just started looking at the bottom to see if any were real (I didn't start from the beginning, so there could be a few before). The Carlos Delgado (I think) card at 3:20 appears to be real:

There have been plenty of cases where people fake the PRIME cards as well by putting better patches in them.

 

[rebelsbaseball3]

Re: Possibly the dumbest collector EVER!!! gotta watch this Vid

I have owned a few from this set, where the sleeve patches were labeled as exactly that. Sleeve patches. I actually feel sorry for this uninformed collector. live and learn? i guess so!

 

[G $MONEY$]

Re: Possibly the dumbest collector EVER!!! gotta watch this Vid

Here is the problem I have with this guy, If 15-20 people where telling me something is fake I would be upset but be curious what the hell the are talking about. Now the red flag for me is he is sooooo oblivious to the patch faking world, yet had this story of since it was donruss's last release the put all the great patches in the set. It sounds as if he knows something but is trying to cover it up with some stupid made up story.

And I have pointed out to him that there are a TON of guys that are watching ebay for these cards and report them to ebay. I also pointed out fakepatchreport.com to him so that he can see that there are people dedicated to stopping these jerks who make the stuff.

It's really disappointing that Jeremy doesn't keep that site up to date anymore.

Yes it is, but he said it was just to much work for him keeping it updated. At least hes still paying the fees the keep the site up though, so people can see the fakes.

 

[gonzagacubs]

Re: Possibly the dumbest collector EVER!!! gotta watch this Vid

If I remember correctly, UD announced long ago that they would be doing this with the current "The Cup" hockey set.

One thing that Brian Gray of Razor claimed that he was doing/would do -- perhaps he has done it already, I don't know, is a very, very simple thing.

Scan/take pictures of all of the cards.

I can't believe that Donruss/Topps/UD can't do this. Take an unpaid intern - or even a minimum wage earning drone - and either take digital pictures with a camera, or scan, every single card that is not a plain white jersey -- and catalog it! Either an online catalog so that everyone can see the potential cards that are outstanding or at least have it on file so whereas if a customer calls about the legitimacy of a card, a CS person could pull up the file and say that "x player does not have any patch autographs in this product".

It can't take more than a few hours -- maybe $100-200 in salary, total -- and a nice advertising piece (especially with UD and Donruss on facebook) and a way to instill consumer confidence.


As for the subject of the original post... It is pretty evident that this guy has the equivalent of the gross national product of some small countries tied up in his fake patch cards, and does not want to believe that he has been taken as a fool for tens of thousands of dollars. I can't blame him for lashing out.

That being said, I feel bad for him. His world is crashing down as it is evident that those cards are his babies. His babies are fake. I wouldn't be surprised if never buys another card again.

No. What is/was happening is Jeremy(fakepatchreport.com) aka gomaz asked UD if he could come in and create his own database of CUP cards. UD agreed and as far as I know (its been awhile since we have had an update) he is still working on creating the website for all of the pictures of the cards that he took.