Should Albert Belle be in the HOF?

[sportscardtheory]

Juan Gonzalez and Mo Vaughn were both tied to PED abuse. Belle wasn't. I don't even see how they are in the same discussion.

 

[HPC]

Who here on twitter wants to ask a voter whether or not they take into consideration a player's overall career stats or a player's performance during a certain era when voting for the hall?

I'm basing my arguement on the fact that I'd say writers look more at overall career stats rather than how a player performed during a time period when voting and you guys are saying that they should base their vote on how he dominated during the 90's.

I'd be interested to see what one or a few of them say

 

[sportscardtheory]

Who here on twitter wants to ask a voter whether or not they take into consideration a player's overall career stats or a player's performance during a certain era when voting for the hall?

I'm basing my arguement on the fact that I'd say writers look more at overall career stats rather than how a player performed during a time period when voting and you guys are saying that they should base their vote on how he dominated during the 90's.

I'd be interested to see what one or a few of them say

It has nothing to do with "90s" and everything to do with "when the player played". Albert Belle was never NOT a top-of-line elite hitter while being a full time player. Ever. That is the argument I believe his supporters are trying to make.

 

[nosterbor]

Look at Mays last 6 years. His numbers SUCKED! so he is not a HOFer? Look at Pujols 1st 10 years,awesome. look at him now. He could fall way off. If you look at alot of HOFers they have a great 10 year stretch. Thats the norm.

 

[MansGame]

Look at Mays last 6 years. His numbers SUCKED! so he is not a HOFer? Look at Pujols 1st 10 years,awesome. look at him now. He could fall way off. If you look at alot of HOFers they have a great 10 year stretch. Thats the norm.

This

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

It has nothing to do with "90s" and everything to do with "when the player played". Albert Belle was never NOT a top-of-line elite hitter while being a full time player. Ever. That is the argument I believe his supporters are trying to make.

Yup, for instance he only finished 3rd, 2nd, 3rd, 7th over a four year stretch with four silver sluggers - this despite the negative points he received for his attitude (compare his 2nd place finish to Vaughn's first place finish). That doesn't signify an elite hitter :facepalm:

 

[sportscardtheory]

Yup, for instance he only finished 3rd, 2nd, 3rd, 7th over a four year stretch with four silver sluggers - this despite the negative points he received for his attitude (compare his 2nd place finish to Vaughn's first place finish). That doesn't signify an elite hitter :facepalm:

Huh?

 

[James52411]

"Man's Game," do you have the 2012 Gypsy Queen black bordered mini of Albert? I've got one that you can have if you don't.

 

[markakis8]

Huh?

I think he was agreeing with you. I know it's rare for someone to agree with you, so it's hard to catch

 

[promodeltodd]

NO. While you make a great case for him by comparing him to other HOFers, I think the bar has been raised a bit higher since some of those names have been put in. You also need to consider other factors that got some people in over others.

If you want my personal opinion, I can't stand him. Not just for his attitude before he became Albert, but because he is the main reason there are no more exhibition games between the MLB parent club with the AAA club. He felt he needed the day off and did not feel he needed to even make an appearance to thank the minor league team for giving these guys the step up to the big leagues...

 

[notjomommasclint]

I misread sorry

 

[MOFNY]

For those of you in favor of Belle's induction, where do you stand on Edgar?

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

For those of you in favor of Belle's induction, where do you stand on Edgar?

Edgar had about the same or less than Belle's HR/RBI totals... but it took Edgar about 50% more time to get to those totals.

Aside from that, DHs need to be (much?) better hitters than anyone else.

 

[markakis8]

As far as Edgar, it all depends on if the writers want to "allow" the DH into the HOF. If they do, Edgar will be the first DH in, followed by Harold Baines (vet's committee) and David Ortiz. Would not surprise me if neither of those three did not make it as well, and I would be okay with that.

Oritz still has time to put himself ahead of Edgar though.

 

[DeliciousBacon]

As far as Edgar, it all depends on if the writers want to "allow" the DH into the HOF. If they do, Edgar will be the first DH in, followed by Harold Baines (vet's committee) and David Ortiz. Would not surprise me if neither of those three did not make it as well, and I would be okay with that.

Oritz still has time to put himself ahead of Edgar though.

I'd put Edgar in, eventually, but I doubt Baines and Ortiz will make it (unless Ortiz can string together half a dozen more stellar seasons). As much as I like Baines, and I do collect him heavily, he was never a standout player, never had that "Wow" factor that makes one a HOFer.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Do people really not know which players have links to PEDs, or do they truly think that Hall voters will miraculously stop taking cheating into consideration? Because seriously, make a point to bring up Juan Gonzalez, Nomar Garciaparra, Mo Vaughn and David Ortiz again as if they stand a chance at getting the 5% they need to stay in the running for more than 1 year. Rafael Palmeiro, with 500+ HRs and 3,000+ hits, doesn't get in, but Ortiz, Gonzalez, Garciaparra and Vaughn will? DON'T THINK SO. Read up on your players with ties to PEDs and stop acting like Hall voters don't care about cheating.

 

[VizquelCollector.com]

If you want my personal opinion, I can't stand him. Not just for his attitude before he became Albert, but because he is the main reason there are no more exhibition games between the MLB parent club with the AAA club. He felt he needed the day off and did not feel he needed to even make an appearance to thank the minor league team for giving these guys the step up to the big leagues...

The Tribe played an exhibition game last year against their AAA Clippers in Columbus. It was snowed out, but they scheduled and attempted to play the game.

http://youtu.be/CvfOQC5B0BY

 

[MansGame]

"Man's Game," do you have the 2012 Gypsy Queen black bordered mini of Albert? I've got one that you can have if you don't.

Thanks for the shout out! I do actually have this guy but appreciate the offer and the potential free card man!

For those of you in favor of Belle's induction, where do you stand on Edgar?

See below...

Edgar had about the same or less than Belle's HR/RBI totals... but it took Edgar about 50% more time to get to those totals.

Aside from that, DHs need to be (much?) better hitters than anyone else.

As far as Edgar, it all depends on if the writers want to "allow" the DH into the HOF. If they do, Edgar will be the first DH in, followed by Harold Baines (vet's committee) and David Ortiz. Would not surprise me if neither of those three did not make it as well, and I would be okay with that.

Oritz still has time to put himself ahead of Edgar though.

This and this...

The Tribe played an exhibition game last year against their AAA Clippers in Columbus. It was snowed out, but they scheduled and attempted to play the game.

http://youtu.be/CvfOQC5B0BY

Great find

 

[MOFNY]

Well Edgar had the same OPS, and a much better OBP in a longer amount of time.

 

[VizquelCollector.com]

Great find

I actually have season tix right above the home dugout and was there.