The final word on the 2010 Bowman Wrapper Redemption

[AMAZIN HOF COLLECTOR]

I'm shocked that people aren't flipping out at Topps. These ass clowns couldn't find their own heads if they didn't crap it out every morning with a bowl of Raisin Bran.

Good grief, people are so quick to crucify other companies when not all of the cards show up immediately (Razor anyone?), and then Topps pukes out these last ditch promotional efforts based on nothing more than lies to sell product and people gobble it up.

The addition of Strasburg to A&G created a huge surge in sales...all crap.

The fact that Strasburg wouldn't be an SP autograph...all crap.

The fact that these were indeed packed out...all crap.

T206 cards in the Million Card Giveaway...all two of them.

The fact that the Million Card Giveaway cards were from their vault...yeah, ok.

All of the above was confirmed by the mythical "Topps rep" - who as far as I am concerned was nothing more than the missing card in the 2010 Allen & Ginter "Creature of Myth and Douchebaggery" or whatever that set was called.

"Oh, but at least they're taking care of it"...really? Are they? Or are they just dangling the carrot, spitting on it and shoving it up the hobby's collective asses to entertain you enough before you get screwed again? Smile, you're going to like it.

It's comical.

These redemptions for the packs end in March...so hurry kids and open those packs and send them off. We have to make sure our distributors can move this product (even at a possible loss) just to get enough capital back to buy more product.

It's nothing but a well-funded check kiting scheme, and we see how well that worked for Upper Deck. "Here morons, a Mystery Cuts redemption card" meanwhile, we'll finagle a way to be able to buy and build the cuts within the next 18 months.


/Overly dramatic

Amen brother!

 

[goldenegg1]

+ 1

I'm shocked that people aren't flipping out at Topps. These ass clowns couldn't find their own heads if they didn't crap it out every morning with a bowl of Raisin Bran.

Good grief, people are so quick to crucify other companies when not all of the cards show up immediately (Razor anyone?), and then Topps pukes out these last ditch promotional efforts based on nothing more than lies to sell product and people gobble it up.

The addition of Strasburg to A&G created a huge surge in sales...all crap.

The fact that Strasburg wouldn't be an SP autograph...all crap.

The fact that these were indeed packed out...all crap.

T206 cards in the Million Card Giveaway...all two of them.

The fact that the Million Card Giveaway cards were from their vault...yeah, ok.

All of the above was confirmed by the mythical "Topps rep" - who as far as I am concerned was nothing more than the missing card in the 2010 Allen & Ginter "Creature of Myth and Douchebaggery" or whatever that set was called.

"Oh, but at least they're taking care of it"...really? Are they? Or are they just dangling the carrot, spitting on it and shoving it up the hobby's collective asses to entertain you enough before you get screwed again? Smile, you're going to like it.

It's comical.

These redemptions for the packs end in March...so hurry kids and open those packs and send them off. We have to make sure our distributors can move this product (even at a possible loss) just to get enough capital back to buy more product.

It's nothing but a well-funded check kiting scheme, and we see how well that worked for Upper Deck. "Here morons, a Mystery Cuts redemption card" meanwhile, we'll finagle a way to be able to buy and build the cuts within the next 18 months.


/Overly dramatic

 

[Mahoody]

Topps announces for every 18 wrappers (HOBBY ONLY) of 2010 Bowman Chrome Baseball sent to the company, collectors will receive an exclusive 5-card pack of exclusive BLACK-BORDERED PARALLELS of 2010 BOWMAN BASEBALL cards . All 110 prospect subjects from 2010 Bowman Baseball will be included.

So, will it be...

#1-110 from 2010 BOWMAN BASEBALL

...or...

#111-220 from 2010 BOWMAN CHROME BASEBALL

I believe it's the 110 prospects from Bowman Baseball. I hope so anyway. It was a much stronger checklist.

Read this carefully -- the black bordered parallels of 2010 Bowman -- ll 110 prospect subjects from 2010 Bowman Baseball will be included. all Bowman cards veterans (220) & the prospects (110) will be parallels in this redemption plan

 

[Crash Davis]

Topps will wait until wrappers start coming in or even close to the deadline date of 3/11 to start production or pack out. The autos will be ready to go. They just need to know how many of the cheap black parallels to cut and put into packs. This is an expensive program for Topps and they aren't going to produce more packs than they need to. It's not like there is a deadline when the packs need to be shipped.

not quite.

 

[Crash Davis]

I'm shocked that people aren't flipping out at Topps. These ass clowns couldn't find their own heads if they didn't crap it out every morning with a bowl of Raisin Bran.

Good grief, people are so quick to crucify other companies when not all of the cards show up immediately (Razor anyone?), and then Topps pukes out these last ditch promotional efforts based on nothing more than lies to sell product and people gobble it up.

The addition of Strasburg to A&G created a huge surge in sales...all crap.

The fact that Strasburg wouldn't be an SP autograph...all crap.

The fact that these were indeed packed out...all crap.

T206 cards in the Million Card Giveaway...all two of them.

The fact that the Million Card Giveaway cards were from their vault...yeah, ok.

All of the above was confirmed by the mythical "Topps rep" - who as far as I am concerned was nothing more than the missing card in the 2010 Allen & Ginter "Creature of Myth and Douchebaggery" or whatever that set was called.

"Oh, but at least they're taking care of it"...really? Are they? Or are they just dangling the carrot, spitting on it and shoving it up the hobby's collective asses to entertain you enough before you get screwed again? Smile, you're going to like it.

It's comical.

These redemptions for the packs end in March...so hurry kids and open those packs and send them off. We have to make sure our distributors can move this product (even at a possible loss) just to get enough capital back to buy more product.

It's nothing but a well-funded check kiting scheme, and we see how well that worked for Upper Deck. "Here morons, a Mystery Cuts redemption card" meanwhile, we'll finagle a way to be able to buy and build the cuts within the next 18 months.


/Overly dramatic

You mean Ponzi scheme? This is nothing like a check-kiting scheme.

 

[Crash Davis]

Topps announces for every 18 wrappers (HOBBY ONLY) of 2010 Bowman Chrome Baseball sent to the company, collectors will receive an exclusive 5-card pack of exclusive BLACK-BORDERED PARALLELS of 2010 BOWMAN BASEBALL cards . All 110 prospect subjects from 2010 Bowman Baseball will be included.

So, will it be...

#1-110 from 2010 BOWMAN BASEBALL

...or...

#111-220 from 2010 BOWMAN CHROME BASEBALL

I believe it's the 110 prospects from Bowman Baseball. I hope so anyway. It was a much stronger checklist.

Read this carefully -- the black bordered parallels of 2010 Bowman -- ll 110 prospect subjects from 2010 Bowman Baseball will be included. all Bowman cards veterans (220) & the prospects (110) will be parallels in this redemption plan

No, it's only the prospects.

 

[Mahoody]

Topps announces for every 18 wrappers (HOBBY ONLY) of 2010 Bowman Chrome Baseball sent to the company, collectors will receive an exclusive 5-card pack of exclusive BLACK-BORDERED PARALLELS of 2010 BOWMAN BASEBALL cards . All 110 prospect subjects from 2010 Bowman Baseball will be included.

So, will it be...

#1-110 from 2010 BOWMAN BASEBALL

...or...

#111-220 from 2010 BOWMAN CHROME BASEBALL

I believe it's the 110 prospects from Bowman Baseball. I hope so anyway. It was a much stronger checklist.

Read this carefully -- the black bordered parallels of 2010 Bowman -- ll 110 prospect subjects from 2010 Bowman Baseball will be included. all Bowman cards veterans (220) & the prospects (110) will be parallels in this redemption plan

No, it's only the prospects.

Where do you see it's only the prospects ??
It says the 110 prospects are included -- which implies that there are other cards besides the prospects

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Topps announces for every 18 wrappers (HOBBY ONLY) of 2010 Bowman Chrome Baseball sent to the company, collectors will receive an exclusive 5-card pack of exclusive BLACK-BORDERED PARALLELS of 2010 BOWMAN BASEBALL cards . All 110 prospect subjects from 2010 Bowman Baseball will be included.

So, will it be...

#1-110 from 2010 BOWMAN BASEBALL

...or...

#111-220 from 2010 BOWMAN CHROME BASEBALL

I believe it's the 110 prospects from Bowman Baseball. I hope so anyway. It was a much stronger checklist.

Read this carefully -- the black bordered parallels of 2010 Bowman -- ll 110 prospect subjects from 2010 Bowman Baseball will be included. all Bowman cards veterans (220) & the prospects (110) will be parallels in this redemption plan

Says who?

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

I'm shocked that people aren't flipping out at Topps. These ass clowns couldn't find their own heads if they didn't crap it out every morning with a bowl of Raisin Bran.

Good grief, people are so quick to crucify other companies when not all of the cards show up immediately (Razor anyone?), and then Topps pukes out these last ditch promotional efforts based on nothing more than lies to sell product and people gobble it up.

The addition of Strasburg to A&G created a huge surge in sales...all crap.

The fact that Strasburg wouldn't be an SP autograph...all crap.

The fact that these were indeed packed out...all crap.

T206 cards in the Million Card Giveaway...all two of them.

The fact that the Million Card Giveaway cards were from their vault...yeah, ok.

All of the above was confirmed by the mythical "Topps rep" - who as far as I am concerned was nothing more than the missing card in the 2010 Allen & Ginter "Creature of Myth and Douchebaggery" or whatever that set was called.

"Oh, but at least they're taking care of it"...really? Are they? Or are they just dangling the carrot, spitting on it and shoving it up the hobby's collective asses to entertain you enough before you get screwed again? Smile, you're going to like it.

It's comical.

These redemptions for the packs end in March...so hurry kids and open those packs and send them off. We have to make sure our distributors can move this product (even at a possible loss) just to get enough capital back to buy more product.

It's nothing but a well-funded check kiting scheme, and we see how well that worked for Upper Deck. "Here morons, a Mystery Cuts redemption card" meanwhile, we'll finagle a way to be able to buy and build the cuts within the next 18 months.


/Overly dramatic

You mean Ponzi scheme? This is nothing like a check-kiting scheme.

Ok.

Selling the perception of a product (Here's a check for $100).
Sending a product without the advertised hits (Yes, the check is good).
Claiming that they are actually in there (No, there must be a problem with the bank because the check is good).
Then creating a make-up product to cover for specific hits (Here's another check).

Sure I forced the example to make it fit, but it would be impossible to skew it any way close to a Ponzi scheme, but I'll try.

Selling a product with perceived hits/value (Topps gets money)
The day of release, product is selling for less than cost (Distributors lose money or break even)
Hobby enthusiasts buy product from $45-70 (Little value in the breaks)
Topps creates a redemption for hits that they insisted were in the product only days before (Carrying the perception of value another 6 months)

So, no...not a Ponzi scheme at all.
For this to be a Ponzi scheme, wouldn't at least some people down the line be seeing some return? Yes.

 

[Crash Davis]

I'm shocked that people aren't flipping out at Topps. These ass clowns couldn't find their own heads if they didn't crap it out every morning with a bowl of Raisin Bran.

Good grief, people are so quick to crucify other companies when not all of the cards show up immediately (Razor anyone?), and then Topps pukes out these last ditch promotional efforts based on nothing more than lies to sell product and people gobble it up.

The addition of Strasburg to A&G created a huge surge in sales...all crap.

The fact that Strasburg wouldn't be an SP autograph...all crap.

The fact that these were indeed packed out...all crap.

T206 cards in the Million Card Giveaway...all two of them.

The fact that the Million Card Giveaway cards were from their vault...yeah, ok.

All of the above was confirmed by the mythical "Topps rep" - who as far as I am concerned was nothing more than the missing card in the 2010 Allen & Ginter "Creature of Myth and Douchebaggery" or whatever that set was called.

"Oh, but at least they're taking care of it"...really? Are they? Or are they just dangling the carrot, spitting on it and shoving it up the hobby's collective asses to entertain you enough before you get screwed again? Smile, you're going to like it.

It's comical.

These redemptions for the packs end in March...so hurry kids and open those packs and send them off. We have to make sure our distributors can move this product (even at a possible loss) just to get enough capital back to buy more product.

It's nothing but a well-funded check kiting scheme, and we see how well that worked for Upper Deck. "Here morons, a Mystery Cuts redemption card" meanwhile, we'll finagle a way to be able to buy and build the cuts within the next 18 months.


/Overly dramatic

You mean Ponzi scheme? This is nothing like a check-kiting scheme.

Ok.

Selling the perception of a product (Here's a check for $100).
Sending a product without the advertised hits (Yes, the check is good).
Claiming that they are actually in there (No, there must be a problem with the bank because the check is good).
Then creating a make-up product to cover for specific hits (Here's another check).

Sure I forced the example to make it fit, but it would be impossible to skew it any way close to a Ponzi scheme, but I'll try.

Selling a product with perceived hits/value (Topps gets money)
The day of release, product is selling for less than cost (Distributors lose money or break even)
Hobby enthusiasts buy product from $45-70 (Little value in the breaks)
Topps creates a redemption for hits that they insisted were in the product only days before (Carrying the perception of value another 6 months)

So, no...not a Ponzi scheme at all.
For this to be a Ponzi scheme, wouldn't at least some people down the line be seeing some return? Yes.

It's neither check kiting nor a Ponzi scheme.

It's just bad business.

That's all.

It wasn't done on purpose. They're just severely inept apparently.

 

[Mahoody]

Topps announces for every 18 wrappers (HOBBY ONLY) of 2010 Bowman Chrome Baseball sent to the company, collectors will receive an exclusive 5-card pack of exclusive BLACK-BORDERED PARALLELS of 2010 BOWMAN BASEBALL cards . All 110 prospect subjects from 2010 Bowman Baseball will be included.

So, will it be...

#1-110 from 2010 BOWMAN BASEBALL

...or...

#111-220 from 2010 BOWMAN CHROME BASEBALL

I believe it's the 110 prospects from Bowman Baseball. I hope so anyway. It was a much stronger checklist.

Read this carefully -- the black bordered parallels of 2010 Bowman -- ll 110 prospect subjects from 2010 Bowman Baseball will be included. all Bowman cards veterans (220) & the prospects (110) will be parallels in this redemption plan

Says who?

Says simple reading comprehension ---- Collectors will receive an exclusive 5-card pack of exclusive BLACK-BORDERED PARALLELS of 2010 BOWMAN BASEBALL cards . All 110 prospect subjects from 2010 Bowman Baseball will be included
Included meaning that there are other cards besides these prospects. Otherwise they would have said -collectors will receive an exclusive 5-card pack of exclusive BLACK-BORDERED PARALLELS of all 110 prospect subjects from 2010 Bowman Baseball.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Topps announces for every 18 wrappers (HOBBY ONLY) of 2010 Bowman Chrome Baseball sent to the company, collectors will receive an exclusive 5-card pack of exclusive BLACK-BORDERED PARALLELS of 2010 BOWMAN BASEBALL cards . All 110 prospect subjects from 2010 Bowman Baseball will be included.

So, will it be...

#1-110 from 2010 BOWMAN BASEBALL

...or...

#111-220 from 2010 BOWMAN CHROME BASEBALL

I believe it's the 110 prospects from Bowman Baseball. I hope so anyway. It was a much stronger checklist.

Read this carefully -- the black bordered parallels of 2010 Bowman -- ll 110 prospect subjects from 2010 Bowman Baseball will be included. all Bowman cards veterans (220) & the prospects (110) will be parallels in this redemption plan

Says who?

Says simple reading comprehension ---- Collectors will receive an exclusive 5-card pack of exclusive BLACK-BORDERED PARALLELS of 2010 BOWMAN BASEBALL cards . All 110 prospect subjects from 2010 Bowman Baseball will be included
Included meaning that there are other cards besides these prospects. Otherwise they would have said -collectors will receive an exclusive 5-card pack of exclusive BLACK-BORDERED PARALLELS of all 110 prospect subjects from 2010 Bowman Baseball.

::facepalm:: ::facepalm:: ::facepalm::

 

[NECpilgrims8]

9 pages later and I am officially a very happy man....



.....that I stick to singles and don't touch wax.



I can only imagine the crap that's gonna go down when they royally screw up the USA boxed sets.

 

[SeattleSports]

It's amazing that they call the buybacks a production error and can't admit that they were never going to be included. The Harper plans were announced on the 21st of October and the product ships out a few days later to distributors. They just realized the product was junk so they tried to get some hype knowing the whole time that they would have to do a wrapper redemption to give out the buybacks.

The wrapper redemption is just a marketing ploy to get people to open the product, it's not to 'correct a production error'.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

It's amazing that they call the buybacks a production error and can't admit that they were never going to be included. The Harper plans were announced on the 21st of October and the product ships out a few days later to distributors. They just realized the product was junk so they tried to get some hype knowing the whole time that they would have to do a wrapper redemption to give out the buybacks.

The wrapper redemption is just a marketing ploy to get people to open the product, it's not to 'correct a production error'.

If this is the case, why not state it's a wrapper redemption in the first place? It'll get people opening packs.

 

[SeattleSports]

It's amazing that they call the buybacks a production error and can't admit that they were never going to be included. The Harper plans were announced on the 21st of October and the product ships out a few days later to distributors. They just realized the product was junk so they tried to get some hype knowing the whole time that they would have to do a wrapper redemption to give out the buybacks.

The wrapper redemption is just a marketing ploy to get people to open the product, it's not to 'correct a production error'.

If this is the case, why not state it's a wrapper redemption in the first place? It'll get people opening packs.

Simple, the busiest day of the product is the day of its release. Topps waits 1 week to announce the wrapper redemption which would force customers to bust additional boxes/cases to acquire said wrappers. Topps doesn't get additional sales at this point, but it allows the distributors and wholesalers to sell their product to keep them happy. But in this instance, too little, too late.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

It's amazing that they call the buybacks a production error and can't admit that they were never going to be included. The Harper plans were announced on the 21st of October and the product ships out a few days later to distributors. They just realized the product was junk so they tried to get some hype knowing the whole time that they would have to do a wrapper redemption to give out the buybacks.

The wrapper redemption is just a marketing ploy to get people to open the product, it's not to 'correct a production error'.

If this is the case, why not state it's a wrapper redemption in the first place? It'll get people opening packs.

Simple, the busiest day of the product is the day of its release. Topps waits 1 week to announce the wrapper redemption which would force customers to bust additional boxes/cases to acquire said wrappers. Topps doesn't get additional sales at this point, but it allows the distributors and wholesalers to sell their product to keep them happy. But in this instance, too little, too late.

As of the day of release, everything's already sold. Topps has sold 100% of what they made. There's no benefit to Topps as to whether everyone buys the cards from the distributors or no one buys the cards from the distributors.

Now, there's an argument that could be made that Topps wants their distributors to do well, but I don't really think they care.

However, annoucing the redemption on the day of release is going to have little difference than annoucing it a week later. I was planning on buying a case when they got down to $400. I believe that this redemption is oging to keep the cases from hitting $400 anytime soon, so I bought the case at $465 (less $10 in eBay bucks I have coming to me, net price $455). The wrappers will be -- could be -- easily sold for $55, so the case still costs me $400.

I just don't see the impact -- other than the rock bottom of the cases not reaching as far as it did - if Topps announced this a week ago or yesterday.

 

[Wes]

[quote="Jeff N.":2hrieqww]

It's amazing that they call the buybacks a production error and can't admit that they were never going to be included. The Harper plans were announced on the 21st of October and the product ships out a few days later to distributors. They just realized the product was junk so they tried to get some hype knowing the whole time that they would have to do a wrapper redemption to give out the buybacks.

The wrapper redemption is just a marketing ploy to get people to open the product, it's not to 'correct a production error'.

If this is the case, why not state it's a wrapper redemption in the first place? It'll get people opening packs.

Simple, the busiest day of the product is the day of its release. Topps waits 1 week to announce the wrapper redemption which would force customers to bust additional boxes/cases to acquire said wrappers. Topps doesn't get additional sales at this point, but it allows the distributors and wholesalers to sell their product to keep them happy. But in this instance, too little, too late.

As of the day of release, everything's already sold. Topps has sold 100% of what they made. There's no benefit to Topps as to whether everyone buys the cards from the distributors or no one buys the cards from the distributors.

Now, there's an argument that could be made that Topps wants their distributors to do well, but I don't really think they care.

However, annoucing the redemption on the day of release is going to have little difference than annoucing it a week later. I was planning on buying a case when they got down to $400. I believe that this redemption is oging to keep the cases from hitting $400 anytime soon, so I bought the case at $465 (less $10 in eBay bucks I have coming to me, net price $455). The wrappers will be -- could be -- easily sold for $55, so the case still costs me $400.

I just don't see the impact -- other than the rock bottom of the cases not reaching as far as it did - if Topps announced this a week ago or yesterday.[/quote:2hrieqww]

Of course Topps cares. The less product the distributor can sell the less future product they can/will buy from Topps. It's in both parties best interest for the distributors to be able to sell as much as possible.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

[quote="Jeff N.":3dj1b430]

It's amazing that they call the buybacks a production error and can't admit that they were never going to be included. The Harper plans were announced on the 21st of October and the product ships out a few days later to distributors. They just realized the product was junk so they tried to get some hype knowing the whole time that they would have to do a wrapper redemption to give out the buybacks.

The wrapper redemption is just a marketing ploy to get people to open the product, it's not to 'correct a production error'.

If this is the case, why not state it's a wrapper redemption in the first place? It'll get people opening packs.

Simple, the busiest day of the product is the day of its release. Topps waits 1 week to announce the wrapper redemption which would force customers to bust additional boxes/cases to acquire said wrappers. Topps doesn't get additional sales at this point, but it allows the distributors and wholesalers to sell their product to keep them happy. But in this instance, too little, too late.

As of the day of release, everything's already sold. Topps has sold 100% of what they made. There's no benefit to Topps as to whether everyone buys the cards from the distributors or no one buys the cards from the distributors.

Now, there's an argument that could be made that Topps wants their distributors to do well, but I don't really think they care.

However, annoucing the redemption on the day of release is going to have little difference than annoucing it a week later. I was planning on buying a case when they got down to $400. I believe that this redemption is oging to keep the cases from hitting $400 anytime soon, so I bought the case at $465 (less $10 in eBay bucks I have coming to me, net price $455). The wrappers will be -- could be -- easily sold for $55, so the case still costs me $400.

I just don't see the impact -- other than the rock bottom of the cases not reaching as far as it did - if Topps announced this a week ago or yesterday.

Of course Topps cares. The less product the distributor can sell the less future product they can/will buy from Topps. It's in both parties best interest for the distributors to be able to sell as much as possible.[/quote:3dj1b430]

If one distributor goes out of business, there will be others Topps will sell to.

 

[Wes]

[quote="Jeff N.":v826438x]

[quote="Jeff N.":v826438x]

It's amazing that they call the buybacks a production error and can't admit that they were never going to be included. The Harper plans were announced on the 21st of October and the product ships out a few days later to distributors. They just realized the product was junk so they tried to get some hype knowing the whole time that they would have to do a wrapper redemption to give out the buybacks.

The wrapper redemption is just a marketing ploy to get people to open the product, it's not to 'correct a production error'.

If this is the case, why not state it's a wrapper redemption in the first place? It'll get people opening packs.

Simple, the busiest day of the product is the day of its release. Topps waits 1 week to announce the wrapper redemption which would force customers to bust additional boxes/cases to acquire said wrappers. Topps doesn't get additional sales at this point, but it allows the distributors and wholesalers to sell their product to keep them happy. But in this instance, too little, too late.

As of the day of release, everything's already sold. Topps has sold 100% of what they made. There's no benefit to Topps as to whether everyone buys the cards from the distributors or no one buys the cards from the distributors.

Now, there's an argument that could be made that Topps wants their distributors to do well, but I don't really think they care.

However, annoucing the redemption on the day of release is going to have little difference than annoucing it a week later. I was planning on buying a case when they got down to $400. I believe that this redemption is oging to keep the cases from hitting $400 anytime soon, so I bought the case at $465 (less $10 in eBay bucks I have coming to me, net price $455). The wrappers will be -- could be -- easily sold for $55, so the case still costs me $400.

I just don't see the impact -- other than the rock bottom of the cases not reaching as far as it did - if Topps announced this a week ago or yesterday.

Of course Topps cares. The less product the distributor can sell the less future product they can/will buy from Topps. It's in both parties best interest for the distributors to be able to sell as much as possible.[/quote:v826438x]

If one distributor goes out of business, there will be others Topps will sell to.[/quote:v826438x]

That's a little extreme. Of course Topps can always sell some product. Point is if their average distributor is sitting on 50% of what they bought in 2010 BC, that's cash they can't use to buy 2010 BDP or something else.