Top Tier HOF...the Greatest of the Great (Top 25)

[Craig - 21hawk]

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Nolan Ryan...'nuff said.

Actually it's not. He only had a .526 win%, is the all time leader in walks with 2,795, had a WHIP of 1.247, and an ERA+ of 111.

Ryan was a great pitcher, but isn't even in the top five all time.

Craig

 

[crowhop]

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Nolan Ryan...'nuff said.

not a top guy.
flame on.

 

[shanks25]

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Cy Young

 

[scotty21690]

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[quote="Big Mac McGwire":3lmi0j5q]Manny Ramirez. One of the nastiest hitters of all time. And we must not forget one of if not the the greatest post season hitter of all time.

career season averages. .314 41 HR 133 RBI

I think there might be 2 or 3 other players that have better career average season stats.

he's in, but no where near the top.

look at his numbers. who is ahead of him??? im not taking fielding into account. Im talking soley on hitting.[/quote:3lmi0j5q]
Babe Ruth, Jimmie Foxx, Hank Greenberg off the top of my head

 

[crowhop]

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[quote="Big Mac McGwire":2ppawu1n]Manny Ramirez. One of the nastiest hitters of all time. And we must not forget one of if not the the greatest post season hitter of all time.

career season averages. .314 41 HR 133 RBI

I think there might be 2 or 3 other players that have better career average season stats.

he's in, but no where near the top.

look at his numbers. who is ahead of him??? im not taking fielding into account. Im talking soley on hitting.[/quote:2ppawu1n]
hitting is only half of baseball. he wouldn't make the All-Time team roster. not even close.

 

[Craig - 21hawk]

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[quote="Big Mac McGwire":1l1d04g7]Manny Ramirez. One of the nastiest hitters of all time. And we must not forget one of if not the the greatest post season hitter of all time.

career season averages. .314 41 HR 133 RBI

I think there might be 2 or 3 other players that have better career average season stats.

he's in, but no where near the top.

look at his numbers. who is ahead of him??? im not taking fielding into account. Im talking soley on hitting.[/quote:1l1d04g7]

In that case, I say my boy Greg Gagne makes the list. I'm not taking hitting or fielding into account, I'm talking solely on playing shortstop for Twins teams that have won the World Series.

Craig

 

[fengzhang]

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Barry Bonds

http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/bondsba01.shtml

I think Ramirez will end up being one of the greatest ever when he finishes with 600+ HR's and 2000+ RBI's but he doesn't quite have the career totals right now (of course he's only 36 and still has plenty of time).

 

[RL24]

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look at his numbers. who is ahead of him??? im not taking fielding into account. Im talking soley on hitting.

Who is in the HOF ahead of Manny? 289 people so far and counting. This is a discussion about people who are in the HOF.

And when compiling a list of the greatest players ever, sorry, you're going to have to take fielding into account.

Also I would like to apologize on behalf of Nolan Ryan for having such a low winning percentage. I'm sure he feels guilty for not putting together better teams to support him.

 

[scotty21690]

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Please people, use HOFers only.


And crow, I hate being limited to only 1 pick...

 

[Craig - 21hawk]

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Also I would like to apologize on behalf of Nolan Ryan for having such a low winning percentage. I'm sure he feels guilty for not putting together better teams to support him.

Perhaps if he didn't put so many people on base he'd have a better win percentage.

He's still a Hall of Famer, but this belief that he is the best pitcher ever ignores the facts in order to focus solely on his Ks and no hitters.

Craig

 

[crowhop]

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Rogers Hornsby
http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hornsro01.shtml

 

[Pete14Rose]

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Pete Rose

http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/rosepe01.shtml

not a top guy, imo. he's in, but a Tier or 2 down the list.

Thank you, I didn't want to have to be the one to say it lol.


And why are people naming non-HOFers????

You guys can take all your HR hitters that you want. Runners in scoring position, 2 out....I'd take Rose or Gwynn before hundreds of other players....before some that were named on this thread.

 

[crowhop]

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Please people, use HOFers only.


And crow, I hate being limited to only 1 pick...

go for more, man. fill in the gaps.


as far as current HOFs only, i don't know. Maddux WILL be a Top Tier guy. and i think he should be on this list as well. so that is personal preference as much as anything else.

 

[scotty21690]

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Rogers Hornsby
http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hornsro01.shtml

Was waiting for him to be mentioned.


How about Mrs. Babe Ruth, Jimmie Foxx.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/f/foxxji01.shtml

 

[hofmichael]

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Lou Gehrig.The most complete player evr.
Mike

 

[scotty21690]

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Pete Rose

http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/rosepe01.shtml

not a top guy, imo. he's in, but a Tier or 2 down the list.

Thank you, I didn't want to have to be the one to say it lol.


And why are people naming non-HOFers????

You guys can take all your HR hitters that you want. Runners in scoring position, 2 out....I'd take Rose or Gwynn before hundreds of other players....before some that were named on this thread.

Don't even try this...I will name 3 top tier hitters [IMO] that I will take above Rose.

Paul Waner:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wanerpa01.shtml

Tris Speaker:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/speaktr01.shtml

Ed Delehanty:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/d/delahed01.shtml


I can name more but I believe those to be top tier hitter, all much better than Rose. Maybe if Rose had a higher career batting average, or got more RBI's or something...sure he the all time hit king but he is nowhere near as good as some of the other [non power] hitters mentioned in this thread.

 

[Mozzie22]

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The only tier 1 HOF this schmuck will ever make is the all time loser HOF. This person disrespects the game and pisses on its history in every way and still fans defend his actions????. He isn’t even the best hitter in the game today; that honor goes to Mr. Pujols. He is an abomination in every way. I would love to see him against Bob Gibson. Gibby would hit him in the face with a fast ball if he tried that posing crap after a homer. This “Manny being Manny” and “That’s the way the game is played now” crap makes me want to vomit.

Jackie Robinson doesn’t deserve to be in the first tier. His contribution to the game is immeasurable but this does not afford him the honor of being known as one of the 25 greatest.

[quote="Big Mac McGwire":1pgrwiap]Manny Ramirez. One of the nastiest hitters of all time. And we must not forget one of if not the the greatest post season hitter of all time.

career season averages. .314 41 HR 133 RBI

I think there might be 2 or 3 other players that have better career average season stats.

he's in, but no where near the top.

look at his numbers. who is ahead of him??? im not taking fielding into account. Im talking soley on hitting.[/quote:1pgrwiap]

 

[Pete14Rose]

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Pete Rose

http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/rosepe01.shtml

not a top guy, imo. he's in, but a Tier or 2 down the list.

Thank you, I didn't want to have to be the one to say it lol.


And why are people naming non-HOFers????

You guys can take all your HR hitters that you want. Runners in scoring position, 2 out....I'd take Rose or Gwynn before hundreds of other players....before some that were named on this thread.

Don't even try this...I will name 3 top tier hitters [IMO] that I will take above Rose.

Paul Waner:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wanerpa01.shtml

Tris Speaker:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/speaktr01.shtml

Ed Delehanty:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/d/delahed01.shtml


I can name more but I believe those to be top tier hitter, all much better than Rose. Maybe if Rose had a higher career batting average, or got more RBI's or something...sure he the all time hit king but he is nowhere near as good as some of the other [non power] hitters mentioned in this thread.

I'd take Rose over Delehanty and Waner any day. Speaker...not so much.

 

[scotty21690]

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http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/rosepe01.shtml[/url]

not a top guy, imo. he's in, but a Tier or 2 down the list.

Thank you, I didn't want to have to be the one to say it lol.


And why are people naming non-HOFers????

You guys can take all your HR hitters that you want. Runners in scoring position, 2 out....I'd take Rose or Gwynn before hundreds of other players....before some that were named on this thread.

Don't even try this...I will name 3 top tier hitters [IMO] that I will take above Rose.

Paul Waner:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wanerpa01.shtml

Tris Speaker:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/speaktr01.shtml

Ed Delehanty:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/d/delahed01.shtml


I can name more but I believe those to be top tier hitter, all much better than Rose. Maybe if Rose had a higher career batting average, or got more RBI's or something...sure he the all time hit king but he is nowhere near as good as some of the other [non power] hitters mentioned in this thread.

I'd take Rose over Delehanty and Waner any day. Speaker...not so much.[/quote:2xenv1fj]
Interesting.

I suppose we all have our own opinions.

 

[crowhop]

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here's what we got so far (these only include the "no debate" guys as they are the truly elite...if a debate against them can be formed at all, are they really the elite of the elite of the elite?):

P Walter Johnson
P Lefty Grove
P Greg Maddux
P Cy Young
P Christy Mathewson
P Bob Feller
P Warren Spahn
P
P
P
C
C
1B Lou Gehrig
1B Jimmie Foxx
2B Rogers Hornsby
2B Jackie Robinson
3B Mike Schmidt
3B
SS Honus Wagner
SS
OF Ted Williams
OF Henry Aaron
OF Ty Cobb
OF Willie Mays
OF Babe Ruth