What is so special about Buster Posey?

[Brett Keith]

Bingo.

Think of what Piazza's numbers could have been had he been primarily a 1B.

I don't know that being one of 10 1B who hits 40-50 HR is better than being the one of maybe two or three catchers with that capability. Piazza will likely go down as the best hitting catcher of all time. As a first baseman he would still be a memorable player but would not be anywhere near the top of the list of all time first baseman.

Not the point. Do you really think Piazza's peak card value was heavily tied to him being a catcher? I'd say no. I'd say people were buying a player capable of winning the Triple Crown. If not for playing catcher, he would have had even greater numbers, which very well could have resulted in higher prices.

 

[Mudcatsfan]

Further, if Posey is a big success he's Russ Martin.

I love Russ Martin, but when's the last time you dropped $500 on him?

When was the last time he had an autographed 1st Bowman Chrome Card with parallels available?

I understand what you're saying but Russ Martin does have Bowman Sterling Autographed Parallel rookies and Bowman Chrome Rookie Parallels, and they're nowhere in the stratosphere of what Posey is sellingn for.

Part of that is that Posey is the "it" guy at release, and people forget how good vets are after the prospect sheen wears off, plus there's a San Fransisco Super collector on ebay, plus he's really really good.

All i'm saying is, a 2005 Bowman Chrome Gold Ref of Martin probably shouldn't sit on ebay buy it now for 150 bucks, when a posey is at what, 550?

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/2/2/2/ ... 850_tp.jpg

I don't know that being one of 10 1B who hits 40-50 HR is better than being the one of maybe two or three catchers with that capability. Piazza will likely go down as the best hitting catcher of all time. As a first baseman he would still be a memorable player but would not be anywhere near the top of the list of all time first baseman.

Not that many guys hit 40-50 hr anymore, and the few who do sell for far more than the great hitting catchers.

Chicks and Card Collectors dig the long ball.

Ryan Howard hit approximately .039 this year, but he was argued as an MVP canidate because he had 48 HR and 146 Ribs.

 

[Wes]

Further, if Posey is a big success he's Russ Martin.

I love Russ Martin, but when's the last time you dropped $500 on him?

When was the last time he had an autographed 1st Bowman Chrome Card with parallels available?

I understand what you're saying but Russ Martin does have Bowman Sterling Autographed Parallel rookies and Bowman Chrome Rookie Parallels, and they're nowhere in the stratosphere of what Posey is sellingn for.

Part of that is that Posey is the "it" guy at release, and people forget how good vets are after the prospect sheen wears off, plus there's a San Fransisco Super collector on ebay, plus he's really really good.

All i'm saying is, a 2005 Bowman Chrome Gold Ref of Martin probably shouldn't sit on ebay buy it now for 150 bucks, when a posey is at what, 550?

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/2/2/2/ ... 850_tp.jpg

I don't know that being one of 10 1B who hits 40-50 HR is better than being the one of maybe two or three catchers with that capability. Piazza will likely go down as the best hitting catcher of all time. As a first baseman he would still be a memorable player but would not be anywhere near the top of the list of all time first baseman.

Not that many guys hit 40-50 hr anymore, and the few who do sell for far more than the great hitting catchers.

Chicks and Card Collectors dig the long ball.

Ryan Howard hit approximately .039 this year, but he was argued as an MVP canidate because he had 48 HR and 146 Ribs.

If Martin's 05 Chrome was autographed I'm pretty confident it would sell in the $30-35 range as Posey's is now.

 

[Mudcatsfan]

If Martin's 05 Chrome was autographed I'm pretty confident it would sell in the $30-35 range as Posey's is now.[/quote]


I would think so, but what about the parallels? Do you think the auto makes a 400 dollar difference on a Gold Parallel?

That's the price difference as of today.

 

[bballcardkid]

Who was here trying to compare college stats to SAL stats, or was it Posey's brief stint in the minors vs. Montero's full SAL season...I'm not getting how Montero puts Posey to shame. If your going the statistical route, compare Wieters college stats vs. Posey's college stats, but BEWARE, you might fall too in love with him.

Edit: don't know why it cut that last part off.

 

[cgilmo]

Who was here trying to compare college stats to SAL stats, or was it Posey's brief stint in the minors vs. Montero's full SAL season...I'm not getting how Montero puts Posey to shame. If your going the statistical route, compare Wieters college stats vs.

my argument for montero is not statistically based. Scouts eye, projections from experts, plus what I personally have seen make me absolutely love Montero.

 

[Wes]

If Martin's 05 Chrome was autographed I'm pretty confident it would sell in the $30-35 range as Posey's is now.

I would think so, but what about the parallels? Do you think the auto makes a 400 dollar difference on a Gold Parallel?

That's the price difference as of today.[/quote]

What would the price be for an auto gold refractor of Martin?

 

[bballcardkid]

Who was here trying to compare college stats to SAL stats, or was it Posey's brief stint in the minors vs. Montero's full SAL season...I'm not getting how Montero puts Posey to shame. If your going the statistical route, compare Wieters college stats vs.

my argument for montero is not statistically based. Scouts eye, projections from experts, plus what I personally have seen make me absolutely love Montero.

Not the point I was trying to make. I agree with you as I'm a huge Montero fan, I like him a lot more than Vilalona (comprable age in same league). I am saying it's pretty lame to even try to compare their stats (college vs. minor or even minor vs. minor). A better comp would be a Wieters stats to Posey stats (same league, same position, same era, etc.) if we are being statistical

 

[Wes]

Who was here trying to compare college stats to SAL stats, or was it Posey's brief stint in the minors vs. Montero's full SAL season...I'm not getting how Montero puts Posey to shame. If your going the statistical route, compare Wieters college stats vs.

my argument for montero is not statistically based. Scouts eye, projections from experts, plus what I personally have seen make me absolutely love Montero.

Not the point I was trying to make. I agree with you as I'm a huge Montero fan, I like him a lot more than Vilalona (comprable age in same league). I am saying it's pretty lame to even try to compare their stats (college vs. minor or even minor vs. minor). A better comp would be a Wieters stats to Posey stats (same league, same position, same era, etc.) if we are being statistical

Posey's 08 numbers at FSU were greatly superior to Wieters' 07 numbers at GT. Not saying Posey is better. Just more food for thought.

 

[bballcardkid]

Who was here trying to compare college stats to SAL stats, or was it Posey's brief stint in the minors vs. Montero's full SAL season...I'm not getting how Montero puts Posey to shame. If your going the statistical route, compare Wieters college stats vs.

my argument for montero is not statistically based. Scouts eye, projections from experts, plus what I personally have seen make me absolutely love Montero.

Not the point I was trying to make. I agree with you as I'm a huge Montero fan, I like him a lot more than Vilalona (comprable age in same league). I am saying it's pretty lame to even try to compare their stats (college vs. minor or even minor vs. minor). A better comp would be a Wieters stats to Posey stats (same league, same position, same era, etc.) if we are being statistical

Posey's 08 numbers at FSU were greatly superior to Wieters' 07 numbers at GT. Not saying Posey is better. Just more food for thought.

My point exactly

 

[Mudcatsfan]

If Martin's 05 Chrome was autographed I'm pretty confident it would sell in the $30-35 range as Posey's is now.

I would think so, but what about the parallels? Do you think the auto makes a 400 dollar difference on a Gold Parallel?

That's the price difference as of today.

What would the price be for an auto gold refractor of Martin?[/quote]

I would argue that since there is no chrome gold ref auto for Martin, the existing chrome gold ref (non-auto) should retain nearly whatever value the hypothetical one would have earned.

If you were gonna spend 500 on a Russ Martin Gold Ref, because you're a fan and he's your guy, then whether or not it has an auto doesn't matter if there's no alternative to spend your money elsewhere.

Now he does have other nice rookie autos like sterling and SP Authentic, but if you're a chrome guy, and many are, i'd think you want the gold ref.

Do you guys think the auto adds a ton of value to a card when you're comparing a rare parallel and there's no alternative?

EX:

TULO or Jay Bruce are their Chrome Gold Refs values severely hampered by lack of an auto compared to someone like Delmon Young or King Felix?

Obviously the base chrome autos are worth more than non auto'd base chromes, but rarity factors in there significantly. It's not a level playing field.

2500 vs say 100,000

How much value is in the auto?

 

[tide12champrings]

I'll take Matt "KingKong" Wieters over Buster "Rhymn" Posey any day of the week.

 

[nborton]

The difference in prices is mostly due to the redemption issue. If both were actually live I think they would be much closer, if not the same.

The whole thing actually says more about Topps and a lack of trust, than either of the players.

 

[FortyFour]

Found this while searching for something and had to bump it considering how well Posey has done.

 

[ballerskrip]

Carlos Santana is better than Montero also!

skrip

 

[ThoseBackPages]

holy bumpage batman!

 

[bballcardkid]

Carlos Santana is better than Montero also!

skrip

False.

 

[cgilmo]

my most hated thing on this board is the bumping of very old and irrelevant topics


the only objective it serves is to make people look like *********.

 

[ThoseBackPages]

my most hated thing on this board is the bumping of very old and irrelevant topics


the only objective it serves is to make people look like *********.

BANNISH HIM!!! :oints finger::

 

[FortyFour]

my most hated thing on this board is the bumping of very old and irrelevant topics


the only objective it serves is to make people look like *********.

You dont think its funny?

This will be my last bumped thread over 6 months old