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Which of these proven, alleged or suspected steroid users will be the first voted into the Hall Of Fame... if any.
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marterburn said:shouldn't none be an option?
thenumberonemetfan said:kinda sad that the hof would consider any of those pieces of garbage.
pujolsjunkie said:Bonds, Clemens and Pudge are all in guys. There is zero doubt.
rookierolodex said:Bonds was a HOF before he started juicing he was a 400/400 guy and maybe even a 500/500 guy without doing steroids, so Bonds gets in regardless.
sportscardtheory said:pujolsjunkie said:Bonds, Clemens and Pudge are all in guys. There is zero doubt.
I'm not certain Bonds makes it if McGwire didn't or can't. Clemens has the best shot in my opinion, he tried to deny it the hardest, which will gain him votes. I-Rod has never been officially linked, besides Canseco, so he's in IMO...
200lbhockeyplayer said:sportscardtheory said:pujolsjunkie said:Bonds, Clemens and Pudge are all in guys. There is zero doubt.
I'm not certain Bonds makes it if McGwire didn't or can't. Clemens has the best shot in my opinion, he tried to deny it the hardest, which will gain him votes. I-Rod has never been officially linked, besides Canseco, so he's in IMO...
I always love this argument/comparison.
Now, do me a favor...show me how Bonds stats compare to McGwire's and then let's discuss if these two should be viewed in similar light.
sportscardtheory said:200lbhockeyplayer said:sportscardtheory said:pujolsjunkie said:Bonds, Clemens and Pudge are all in guys. There is zero doubt.
I'm not certain Bonds makes it if McGwire didn't or can't. Clemens has the best shot in my opinion, he tried to deny it the hardest, which will gain him votes. I-Rod has never been officially linked, besides Canseco, so he's in IMO...
I always love this argument/comparison.
Now, do me a favor...show me how Bonds stats compare to McGwire's and then let's discuss if these two should be viewed in similar light.
Who's comparing stats... they were both juicers, and to think that doesn't affect voting is either blind or bias.
200lbhockeyplayer said:sportscardtheory said:200lbhockeyplayer said:sportscardtheory said:pujolsjunkie said:Bonds, Clemens and Pudge are all in guys. There is zero doubt.
I'm not certain Bonds makes it if McGwire didn't or can't. Clemens has the best shot in my opinion, he tried to deny it the hardest, which will gain him votes. I-Rod has never been officially linked, besides Canseco, so he's in IMO...
I always love this argument/comparison.
Now, do me a favor...show me how Bonds stats compare to McGwire's and then let's discuss if these two should be viewed in similar light.
Who's comparing stats... they were both juicers, and to think that doesn't affect voting is either blind or bias.
Interesting.
You claim that due to McGwire's trouble getting in, it will affect Bonds' chances of getting in...to me that implies that voters will look at the two in similar light. Of course, taking a single trick pony like McGwire's whose sole claim to fame was perhaps solely steroid driven and lumping him together with a 5-tool (perhaps 6-tool if you consider his attitude) player like Bonds is clownish.
In a stretch, that's like saying that Ryan Franklin will have trouble getting in due to steroids, therefore it will be tougher for Roger Clemens. Obviously, it would have nothing to do with the fact that Franklin isn't half the player that Clemens was, nor was McGwire half the player than Bonds was.
HOF voters love a good grudge, but they can process stats and skill level.
cgilmo said:much like greenies in the 70's, in 5 or so years, none of this will matter
RandomH said:Wasn't there no proof the Sosa did roids? I thought it was all spectualtion?