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Skorris (CCBC) said:
Most Cardinals Fans feel that way lol
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Which Player Would Crush You if You Found Out He Was Juicing
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Most Cardinals Fans feel that way lol
gamedaygator
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AKA Coastal said:
Schilling took a cortisone shot to be able to play in the World Series. There is no differance between cortisone and HGH. Cortisone is acutally worse for you than HGH. Why is he not a "villian"?
scotty21690
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Uhmm did you not know he had surgery on his ankle like, that day?gamedaygator said:
gamedaygator said:
Wow.... where to start...
One is legal and one is not
One was administered by a physician and one was not
From WebMD.com
Cortisone injections can be used to treat the inflammation of small areas of the body (local injections) or they can be used to treat inflammation that is widespread throughout the body (systemic injections). Examples of conditions for which local cortisone injections are used include inflammation of a bursa (bursitis), a tendon (tendonitis), and a joint (arthritis). Systemic corticosteroid injections are used for conditions such as allergic reactions, asthma, and rheumatoid arthritis affecting many joints.
Hardly comparable to steroids and HGH.
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I would be absolutely crushed if Dale Murphy was found guilty but I doubt I have to worry about that. Maddux would be another one too and even Fred McGriff. It'd be sad to see Griffey on the list too.
I would hope this gives guys from the late 70s - early 90s a better shot at the Hall but I doubt it.
I would hope this gives guys from the late 70s - early 90s a better shot at the Hall but I doubt it.
cortisone is a steroid. Schilling injected that into his ankle so that he could pitch. Without the cortisone injection he could not have pitched that game. So is it safe to say that Schilling used a drug that enhanced his performance? Schilling is a hypocrite and regardless of the symantecs of your argument he could not have played without the injection. Without the drug he is not even on the field. Legal or Illegal Schilling was willing to put something foreign in his body to enhance his performance. He is just as guilty as the other guys as far as I am concerned.
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Tom Oates said:
Wow.... where to start...
One is legal and one is not
One was administered by a physician and one was not
From WebMD.com
Cortisone injections can be used to treat the inflammation of small areas of the body (local injections) or they can be used to treat inflammation that is widespread throughout the body (systemic injections). Examples of conditions for which local cortisone injections are used include inflammation of a bursa (bursitis), a tendon (tendonitis), and a joint (arthritis). Systemic corticosteroid injections are used for conditions such as allergic reactions, asthma, and rheumatoid arthritis affecting many joints.
Hardly comparable to steroids and HGH.[/quote:1ueo0pgd]
I just recently took steroids then since I had a cortisone shot in my foot to treat my plantar fasciitis.
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gamedaygator said:
The reasons this statement is stupid are so numerous that I cannot begin to refute it and still have time to see my children grow up and go to college. I
gamedaygator
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Tom Oates said:
Wow.... where to start...
One is legal and one is not
One was administered by a physician and one was not
From WebMD.com
Cortisone injections can be used to treat the inflammation of small areas of the body (local injections) or they can be used to treat inflammation that is widespread throughout the body (systemic injections). Examples of conditions for which local cortisone injections are used include inflammation of a bursa (bursitis), a tendon (tendonitis), and a joint (arthritis). Systemic corticosteroid injections are used for conditions such as allergic reactions, asthma, and rheumatoid arthritis affecting many joints.
Hardly comparable to steroids and HGH.[/quote:2n7m4k9m]
Since when is HGH illegal. Doctors prescribe it all the time. I don't understand what you mean by illegal
gamedaygator
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justinmandawg said:
I don't think YOU understand the differance or lack there of between HGH and cortisone. Are you sure you want to come in here and get into a debate about the two when you clearly don't know the facts?
It was Arod as he is my favorite player but Griffey has always been a close second and now with Arod taking steroids I lost alot of respect for him so I would say Griffey another guy being Josh Hamilton after seeing his amazing comeback to find out he took steroids would make his story that much worse
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gamedaygator said:
It's hard to take someone seriously, in an agrument like this when they misspell words. I know it is the internet and all, but really.
Either way, this argument won't change your mind. If I win, it's akin to winning a fishing derby and you'd never admit to it anyway. If I lose, you spike the ball in my face, pee on my carpet, and I go on with life.
You are right, I know nothing about them.~
gamedaygator
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You win the spelling bee, I will the argument.
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:lol:gamedaygator said:
justinmandawg
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gamedaygator said:
I disagree. What gives you the insight on the subject?
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Penno said:
He did have a little power surge from 1998-2001. 34,45(MVP),36,38 and nagging injuries the last couple seasons.
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It would not crush me to find out anyone was using. Maybe because I was a Bonds fan, I have already come to terms with the issue.
Unfortunately, drugs have been part of the culture of MLB for over 50 years. Greenies (amphetamine) were used by a large percentage of players (including the likes of Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle) up until the recent crack-down. Now players are getting medical exemptions for ADD medications so that they can continue to use the stimulants they can't go without.
Players were getting "magic shots" from various doctors and other less qualified medical "experts" for decades. Teams, in all sports, have administered cortisone injections to players to keep them on the field.
I would imagine that the vast majority of players have taken something in their career to either recover from an injury, build muscle, or get up for a game. Maybe they had a cortisone injection, maybe their doctor gave them a shot, maybe their teammate had a great supplement they got from GNC.
Competitive people will do whatever it takes to stay in the game.
My frustration comes with the sports writers from the past 20 years. They celebrated these guys while looking the other way or giving them them the "wink, wink" until it became more interesting to hang these same guys. Jason Stark wrote about how he and the other Philly writers chuckled when Lenny Dykstra came to camp bigger one spring and admitted he "had a little help" over the winter. Now they want to sit in judgment of these guys and decide who was worthy and who was legit, when they were complicit it furthering the culture which led to more and more players feeling they needed to do this stuff to keep up.
In the Bonds expose it was written that Barry said he was going to start using because everyone was swinging from McGwire and Sosa's nuts when they weren't half the player he was. If the greatest player of his generation felt compelled to use to keep up, you can imagine how other players felt/feel; especially when generational wealth was/is potentially at stake.
I think we just need to judge these guys in relation the their peers. It is useless to compare against other eras, not just because of the rampant drug use, but the new wave of smaller ball parks too.
We will never know everyone who used and it is impossible to know who was clean. Users pass drug tests all the time. The science of detection always lags far behind the science of developing and masking PEDs.
Unfortunately, drugs have been part of the culture of MLB for over 50 years. Greenies (amphetamine) were used by a large percentage of players (including the likes of Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle) up until the recent crack-down. Now players are getting medical exemptions for ADD medications so that they can continue to use the stimulants they can't go without.
Players were getting "magic shots" from various doctors and other less qualified medical "experts" for decades. Teams, in all sports, have administered cortisone injections to players to keep them on the field.
I would imagine that the vast majority of players have taken something in their career to either recover from an injury, build muscle, or get up for a game. Maybe they had a cortisone injection, maybe their doctor gave them a shot, maybe their teammate had a great supplement they got from GNC.
Competitive people will do whatever it takes to stay in the game.
My frustration comes with the sports writers from the past 20 years. They celebrated these guys while looking the other way or giving them them the "wink, wink" until it became more interesting to hang these same guys. Jason Stark wrote about how he and the other Philly writers chuckled when Lenny Dykstra came to camp bigger one spring and admitted he "had a little help" over the winter. Now they want to sit in judgment of these guys and decide who was worthy and who was legit, when they were complicit it furthering the culture which led to more and more players feeling they needed to do this stuff to keep up.
In the Bonds expose it was written that Barry said he was going to start using because everyone was swinging from McGwire and Sosa's nuts when they weren't half the player he was. If the greatest player of his generation felt compelled to use to keep up, you can imagine how other players felt/feel; especially when generational wealth was/is potentially at stake.
I think we just need to judge these guys in relation the their peers. It is useless to compare against other eras, not just because of the rampant drug use, but the new wave of smaller ball parks too.
We will never know everyone who used and it is impossible to know who was clean. Users pass drug tests all the time. The science of detection always lags far behind the science of developing and masking PEDs.
gamedaygator
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justinmandawg said:
It is a simple fact that cortisone is just as "harmful" and as legal as HGH is. My point, that you were so quick to dismiss, is that Schilling injected a substance just as "harmful" and as legal or illegal as HGH.
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seitas said:
Based on your argument then any diabetic player that takes insulin to allow them to play is cheating also?
