Why Does Everyone Bitch About Leaf?

[TwinGnats]

Everyone (including myself) complain about every manufacturer. What's happening is two-fold; first BG get's defensive every time anything negative is said and lashes out. Second, he has yet to produce a decent product, trying to keep up with Sage isn't the way to garner a lot of compliments.

This is a forum, so opinions are given positive and negative. Why people are shocked when members come to a forum to give their opinion is beyond me.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Everyone (including myself) complain about every manufacturer. What's happening is two-fold; first BG get's defensive every time anything negative is said and lashes out. Second, he has yet to produce a decent product, trying to keep up with Sage isn't the way to garner a lot of compliments.

This is a forum, so opinions are given positive and negative. Why people are shocked when members come to a forum to give their opinion is beyond me.

This is why what you say on the subject is irrelevant. You are freaking clueless and it makes no sense for someone so in-the-dark and willfully ignorant to keep opening their mouth to spew worthless, uneducated opinions.

 

[TwinGnats]

You seem upset.

Everyone (including myself) complain about every manufacturer. What's happening is two-fold; first BG get's defensive every time anything negative is said and lashes out. Second, he has yet to produce a decent product, trying to keep up with Sage isn't the way to garner a lot of compliments.

This is a forum, so opinions are given positive and negative. Why people are shocked when members come to a forum to give their opinion is beyond me.

This is why what you say on the subject is irrelevant. You are freaking clueless and it makes no sense for someone so in-the-dark and willfully ignorant to keep opening their mouth to spew worthless, uneducated opinions.

 

[sportscardtheory]

You seem upset.

Everyone (including myself) complain about every manufacturer. What's happening is two-fold; first BG get's defensive every time anything negative is said and lashes out. Second, he has yet to produce a decent product, trying to keep up with Sage isn't the way to garner a lot of compliments.

This is a forum, so opinions are given positive and negative. Why people are shocked when members come to a forum to give their opinion is beyond me.

This is why what you say on the subject is irrelevant. You are freaking clueless and it makes no sense for someone so in-the-dark and willfully ignorant to keep opening their mouth to spew worthless, uneducated opinions.

Upset? lol No, just exposing you for the willfully ignorant poster you seem to be.

"I'm perfectly calm, dude. Calmer than you."

 

[TwinGnats]

Normally calm people don't need to reassure themselves that they are calm, especially to the point where they rank their calmness in relations to other people. Hope you have a better day.

You seem upset.

Everyone (including myself) complain about every manufacturer. What's happening is two-fold; first BG get's defensive every time anything negative is said and lashes out. Second, he has yet to produce a decent product, trying to keep up with Sage isn't the way to garner a lot of compliments.

This is a forum, so opinions are given positive and negative. Why people are shocked when members come to a forum to give their opinion is beyond me.

This is why what you say on the subject is irrelevant. You are freaking clueless and it makes no sense for someone so in-the-dark and willfully ignorant to keep opening their mouth to spew worthless, uneducated opinions.

Upset? lol No, just exposing you for the willfully ignorant poster you seem to be.

"I'm perfectly calm, dude. Calmer than you."

 

[sportscardtheory]

Normally calm people don't need to reassure themselves that they are calm, especially to the point where they rank their calmness in relations to other people. Hope you have a better day.

Clearly this kid isn't into movie quotes. That's okay though. Who cares.

 

[TwinGnats]

Did Leaf make the movie? Then I probably didn't see it.

Normally calm people don't need to reassure themselves that they are calm, especially to the point where they rank their calmness in relations to other people. Hope you have a better day.

Clearly this kid isn't into movie quotes. That's okay though. Who cares.

 

[Slette]

Everyone (including myself) complain about every manufacturer. What's happening is two-fold; first BG get's defensive every time anything negative is said and lashes out. Second, he has yet to produce a decent product, trying to keep up with Sage isn't the way to garner a lot of compliments.

This is a forum, so opinions are given positive and negative. Why people are shocked when members come to a forum to give their opinion is beyond me.

I am guessing you were making a point, but you can't really believe that Sage's products are even close to comparable to Leaf products, do you?

 

[BBCgalaxee]

The reason why we bitch about leaf is because we are spoiled by topps high quality products.

In the EXTREMELY rare circumstances where topps messes up a card, they always make good w a hi end/ valuable replacement. What does leaf do? Subs a PATCH auto for ichiro!

And have u ever dealt w topps customer service? TOP NOTCH service by people who know the hobby.

But w leaf u have to deal with some guy named brian. Yeah right, like he knows anything about cards. Sure he doesnt even collect himself!

And if u have a problem (a true rarity w topps), just post it on fcb and a topps cs worker gets on it asap. Leaf wishes they could do the same.



I could go on but point is that the exclusive mlb contract has done wonders fir the hobby. Its brought us collectors/dealers/manufactorers closer together than ever before. But here comes leaf trying so hard to tear all of us apart with their copycat products.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Did Leaf make the movie? Then I probably didn't see it.

Normally calm people don't need to reassure themselves that they are calm, especially to the point where they rank their calmness in relations to other people. Hope you have a better day.

Clearly this kid isn't into movie quotes. That's okay though. Who cares.

"Der der der, the Nationals and Twins SUCK! They are truly two of the most awful teams in existence. I didn't watch one game from either of them, because they SUCK and aren't worth a second of my time, der der der!"

Imagine if I really did post garbage like that. lol That's what you sound like with your hatred of a trading card company. It's quite pathetic and not based in any fact, but pure hyperbolic hate.

 

[TwinGnats]

My opinion that Leaf has not made a good product yet and your opinion that they have made good products are indeed not facts. They are opinions and cannot be proven by rule.

Did Leaf make the movie? Then I probably didn't see it.

Normally calm people don't need to reassure themselves that they are calm, especially to the point where they rank their calmness in relations to other people. Hope you have a better day.

Clearly this kid isn't into movie quotes. That's okay though. Who cares.

"Der der der, the Nationals and Twins SUCK! They are truly two of the most awful teams in existence. I didn't watch one game from either of them, because they SUCK and aren't worth a second of my time, der der der!"

Imagine if I really did post garbage like that. lol That's what you sound like with your hatred of a trading card company. It's quite pathetic and not based in any fact, but pure hyperbolic hate.

 

[ronzo]

I'm just curious why the complainers think it's fine for them to state their opinions, but totally inexcusable for people that do like Leaf to state theirs.

 

[sportscardtheory]

My opinion that Leaf has not made a good product yet and your opinion that they have made good products are indeed not facts. They are opinions and cannot be proven by rule.

Did Leaf make the movie? Then I probably didn't see it.

Normally calm people don't need to reassure themselves that they are calm, especially to the point where they rank their calmness in relations to other people. Hope you have a better day.

Clearly this kid isn't into movie quotes. That's okay though. Who cares.

"Der der der, the Nationals and Twins SUCK! They are truly two of the most awful teams in existence. I didn't watch one game from either of them, because they SUCK and aren't worth a second of my time, der der der!"

Imagine if I really did post garbage like that. lol That's what you sound like with your hatred of a trading card company. It's quite pathetic and not based in any fact, but pure hyperbolic hate.

Leaf's 2011 football draft products weren't a success? What planet are you on.

 

[Leaf]

Here's my take on part of it.


Razor sucked balls. It was awful. Every product I seen that was released looked horribly cheap and tacky. And don't even get me started on the generic designs of the MMA product.


THEN.......THEN........THEN..........Razor promises some huge announcement and it turns out that, since Razor sucks so bad, they go out and purchase a name of a brand that was beloved in the collecting world, Leaf. Instead of just trying to carve their own niche in the market, they decide to just buy someone else's name and try and ride those coattails as long as possible.

And the Crusades I seen the other day. I think that's a ridiculous idea too, but I refrained from commenting in the thread. I'm hard enough on the guy anyway, I didn't want to just pour it on. The cards looked decent, but that's not really the point. He copied someone else's previous ideas blatantly without shame. That's the bad thing.

The ideas that 'Razor/imitation Leaf' have come up with all on their own have been completely awful. So they've just decided to start copying other peoples ideas and designs with reckless abandon.

Plain and simple, from day one, I haven't taken the company, whatever it decides to call itself tomorrow, seriously. I just think they're a joke.


Call me an *******. I'm fine with that. I've been called an ******* every single time I've ever spoke up against the mighty Brian Gray. It's fine. But I think it's very sad that he's on here acting like he does sometimes. It doesn't reflect well on the company he is trying to build when he's on an internet message board acting like a baby when someone says something bad about his company.

But what do I know, I'm just a collector.

I dont think you are an a-hole....

I do think your facts are incorrect however. I left Razor (which I bought certaion brands of and which the baseball business and inventory has since been sold) and bought the Leaf name.... Razor does NOT = Leaf...

I appreciate your opinion. It is well known on these boards how you feel.

BG

P.S.- Without dissenting opinions, this hobby wouldnt be interesting. All I ask is fairness and non-biased criticism.
Someday when I see yuou post anything positive about anything I have ever done, I will not only be proud of you, but I would consider your opinion far more fair and balanced.

 

[Leaf]

All the companies have their haters, and they also have their defenders.

I would bet a million dollars that if Brian Gray wasn't participating on this message board his supporters would be cut down to at least 1/4 of what they are now.

If the Topps or Upper Deck owner was on the site all of the time, there'd be hundreds of people on their jock too trying to suck up to them acting like they're the greatest thing since sliced bread. It's just the way some people are.

Precisely, these executives dont give a rat's ass about you or your opinion.... only the $$$$.....
If their concern/attitude towards collectors is sliced bread, my attitude to collectors IS the greatest thing since sliced bread.
BG

 

[TwinGnats]

I never took a position on financial success or failure. I'm stating a personal opinion, just as you, are stating a personal opinion. Neither opinion can be proven as they are subjective.

My opinion that Leaf has not made a good product yet and your opinion that they have made good products are indeed not facts. They are opinions and cannot be proven by rule.

Did Leaf make the movie? Then I probably didn't see it.

[quote="TwinGnats":1xat96r9]Normally calm people don't need to reassure themselves that they are calm, especially to the point where they rank their calmness in relations to other people. Hope you have a better day.

Clearly this kid isn't into movie quotes. That's okay though. Who cares.

"Der der der, the Nationals and Twins SUCK! They are truly two of the most awful teams in existence. I didn't watch one game from either of them, because they SUCK and aren't worth a second of my time, der der der!"

Imagine if I really did post garbage like that. lol That's what you sound like with your hatred of a trading card company. It's quite pathetic and not based in any fact, but pure hyperbolic hate.

Leaf's 2011 football draft products weren't a success? What planet are you on.[/quote:1xat96r9]

 

[hive17]

This is why you need to foe this idiot. He freaks out for no reason and ALWAYS has to be right. I kind of miss the freak outs though. It's funny to watch someone get so mad and still be wrong.

My opinion that Leaf has not made a good product yet and your opinion that they have made good products are indeed not facts. They are opinions and cannot be proven by rule.

Did Leaf make the movie? Then I probably didn't see it.

Normally calm people don't need to reassure themselves that they are calm, especially to the point where they rank their calmness in relations to other people. Hope you have a better day.

Clearly this kid isn't into movie quotes. That's okay though. Who cares.

"Der der der, the Nationals and Twins SUCK! They are truly two of the most awful teams in existence. I didn't watch one game from either of them, because they SUCK and aren't worth a second of my time, der der der!"

Imagine if I really did post garbage like that. lol That's what you sound like with your hatred of a trading card company. It's quite pathetic and not based in any fact, but pure hyperbolic hate.

 

[Leaf]

Why is it so wrong to not like something/someone?

I think Ali Metal and Rose look great. I don't like Draft or Valiant.

Why is that a problem?

What if some people just don't like Brian or his products, or hold a grudge from the Razor debacle?

Why is this such a HUGE problem for so many people here?

Why are you a hater if you don't like something?

What is the point of this board if people can't express their opinions, positive AND negative?

+1...
Everyone is entitled to an opinion.
BG

P.S.- Have you noticed we didnt sdign 2011 Draft picks exclusive? See... we do LISTEN and learn.... AND have the hobby's best interest in mind..

 

[gt2590]

P.S.- Without dissenting opinions, this hobby wouldnt be interesting. All I ask is fairness and non-biased criticism.
Someday when I see yuou post anything positive about anything I have ever done, I will not only be proud of you, but I would consider your opinion far more fair and balanced.

That's relatively simple. Just make a Metal card of Kelley Clarkson holding the Rally Squirrel ringside at WWE...

There. Problem solved!

 

[sportscardtheory]

I never took a position on financial success or failure. I'm stating a personal opinion, just as you, are stating a personal opinion. Neither opinion can be proven as they are subjective.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's fine that you think it's my subjective opinion, as is yours. I just happen to think that yours is an uneducated and idiotic opinion based only on a weird hatred for a trading card company. So according to you, it's okay that I'm saying this though... so what exactly is your beef with what I'm saying?