The offer the Mariners turned down for Felix Hernandez

MallCopKJ said:

Report: Sox offered Buchholz, Bard as part of blockbuster for King Felix
By: Alex Speier

According to Geoff Baker of the Seattle Times, the Red Sox offered the Mariners a chance to choose five players from a group of the team's eight top prospects as part of a package for pitcher Felix Hernandez. According to the report, the Sox made available a group of players that included right-handed pitchers Clay Buchholz, Daniel Bard, Justin Masterson and Michael Bowden, as well as left-handers Nick Hagadone and Felix Doubront, shortstop Yamaico Navarro and outfielder Josh Reddick. Baker said that the Mariners declined that offer, and so the Sox tried to arrange a three-way deal that would include the Padres and send first baseman Adrian Gonzalez, Buchholz and other prospects, with the Padres receiving prospects from both the Red Sox and Mariners.

Baker said that the Mariners declined the offer, feeling that a similar package would be available at a subsequent date should they ever decide to deal Hernandez. The pitcher, who is making $3.8 million this year, does not become eligible for free agency until 2011. Hernandez is 12-4 with a 2.78 ERA this year.
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As affordable and good as Felix is, I dont know how anyone could turn that offer down. ANY 5 of those 8 players??

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KOBEARODLT said:

MallCopKJ said:

Report: Sox offered Buchholz, Bard as part of blockbuster for King Felix
By: Alex Speier

According to Geoff Baker of the Seattle Times, the Red Sox offered the Mariners a chance to choose five players from a group of the team's eight top prospects as part of a package for pitcher Felix Hernandez. According to the report, the Sox made available a group of players that included right-handed pitchers Clay Buchholz, Daniel Bard, Justin Masterson and Michael Bowden, as well as left-handers Nick Hagadone and Felix Doubront, shortstop Yamaico Navarro and outfielder Josh Reddick. Baker said that the Mariners declined that offer, and so the Sox tried to arrange a three-way deal that would include the Padres and send first baseman Adrian Gonzalez, Buchholz and other prospects, with the Padres receiving prospects from both the Red Sox and Mariners.

Baker said that the Mariners declined the offer, feeling that a similar package would be available at a subsequent date should they ever decide to deal Hernandez. The pitcher, who is making $3.8 million this year, does not become eligible for free agency until 2011. Hernandez is 12-4 with a 2.78 ERA this year.
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As affordable and good as Felix is, I dont know how anyone could turn that offer down. ANY 5 of those 8 players??

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i would turn it down if i was the mariners to, i personally dont think any of the named pitchers are as good as what they are hyped up to be

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KOBEARODLT said:

MallCopKJ said:

Report: Sox offered Buchholz, Bard as part of blockbuster for King Felix
By: Alex Speier

According to Geoff Baker of the Seattle Times, the Red Sox offered the Mariners a chance to choose five players from a group of the team's eight top prospects as part of a package for pitcher Felix Hernandez. According to the report, the Sox made available a group of players that included right-handed pitchers Clay Buchholz, Daniel Bard, Justin Masterson and Michael Bowden, as well as left-handers Nick Hagadone and Felix Doubront, shortstop Yamaico Navarro and outfielder Josh Reddick. Baker said that the Mariners declined that offer, and so the Sox tried to arrange a three-way deal that would include the Padres and send first baseman Adrian Gonzalez, Buchholz and other prospects, with the Padres receiving prospects from both the Red Sox and Mariners.

Baker said that the Mariners declined the offer, feeling that a similar package would be available at a subsequent date should they ever decide to deal Hernandez. The pitcher, who is making $3.8 million this year, does not become eligible for free agency until 2011. Hernandez is 12-4 with a 2.78 ERA this year.
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As affordable and good as Felix is, I dont know how anyone could turn that offer down. ANY 5 of those 8 players??

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i would turn it down if i was the mariners to, i personally dont think any of the named pitchers are as good as what they are hyped up to be

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bungle77 said:

KOBEARODLT said:

MallCopKJ said:

Report: Sox offered Buchholz, Bard as part of blockbuster for King Felix
By: Alex Speier

According to Geoff Baker of the Seattle Times, the Red Sox offered the Mariners a chance to choose five players from a group of the team's eight top prospects as part of a package for pitcher Felix Hernandez. According to the report, the Sox made available a group of players that included right-handed pitchers Clay Buchholz, Daniel Bard, Justin Masterson and Michael Bowden, as well as left-handers Nick Hagadone and Felix Doubront, shortstop Yamaico Navarro and outfielder Josh Reddick. Baker said that the Mariners declined that offer, and so the Sox tried to arrange a three-way deal that would include the Padres and send first baseman Adrian Gonzalez, Buchholz and other prospects, with the Padres receiving prospects from both the Red Sox and Mariners.

Baker said that the Mariners declined the offer, feeling that a similar package would be available at a subsequent date should they ever decide to deal Hernandez. The pitcher, who is making $3.8 million this year, does not become eligible for free agency until 2011. Hernandez is 12-4 with a 2.78 ERA this year.
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As affordable and good as Felix is, I dont know how anyone could turn that offer down. ANY 5 of those 8 players??

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i would turn it down if i was the mariners to, i personally dont think any of the named pitchers are as good as what they are hyped up to be

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Because they want to keep trotting Ryan Rowland-Smith out there? Because the "Brandon Morrow As Closer Experiment" worked so well? Getting 3 starters, a closer, and an OF for one guy isn't that bad...

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MallCopKJ said:

bungle77 said:

KOBEARODLT said:

MallCopKJ said:

Report: Sox offered Buchholz, Bard as part of blockbuster for King Felix
By: Alex Speier

According to Geoff Baker of the Seattle Times, the Red Sox offered the Mariners a chance to choose five players from a group of the team's eight top prospects as part of a package for pitcher Felix Hernandez. According to the report, the Sox made available a group of players that included right-handed pitchers Clay Buchholz, Daniel Bard, Justin Masterson and Michael Bowden, as well as left-handers Nick Hagadone and Felix Doubront, shortstop Yamaico Navarro and outfielder Josh Reddick. Baker said that the Mariners declined that offer, and so the Sox tried to arrange a three-way deal that would include the Padres and send first baseman Adrian Gonzalez, Buchholz and other prospects, with the Padres receiving prospects from both the Red Sox and Mariners.

Baker said that the Mariners declined the offer, feeling that a similar package would be available at a subsequent date should they ever decide to deal Hernandez. The pitcher, who is making $3.8 million this year, does not become eligible for free agency until 2011. Hernandez is 12-4 with a 2.78 ERA this year.
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As affordable and good as Felix is, I dont know how anyone could turn that offer down. ANY 5 of those 8 players??

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i would turn it down if i was the mariners to, i personally dont think any of the named pitchers are as good as what they are hyped up to be

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Because they want to keep trotting Ryan Rowland-Smith out there? Because the "Brandon Morrow As Closer Experiment" worked so well? Getting 3 starters, a closer, and an OF for one guy isn't that bad...

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Agreed. It's great to have a top of the rotation ace pitcher, but if you can improve half your team with 1 guy I dont see why you would turn it down. They could have a SS in Navarro, 2 SP, Bard as a closer and an starting OF in Reddick.

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bradical said:

Hopefully the Mariners realize that Felix is more than their number 1 starter. He puts fans in the seats, much like Ichiro, brings a new demographic as a Mariner fan, and lastly, takes the pressure off their shaky bullpen, knowing their ace-in-the-hole has no problems going 7 or 8 strong.

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bradical said:

Hopefully the Mariners realize that Felix is more than their number 1 starter. He puts fans in the seats, much like Ichiro, brings a new demographic as a Mariner fan, and lastly, takes the pressure off their shaky bullpen, knowing their ace-in-the-hole has no problems going 7 or 8 strong.

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ProspectorsAdvantage said:

MallCopKJ said:

bungle77 said:

KOBEARODLT said:

MallCopKJ said:

Report: Sox offered Buchholz, Bard as part of blockbuster for King Felix
By: Alex Speier

According to Geoff Baker of the Seattle Times, the Red Sox offered the Mariners a chance to choose five players from a group of the team's eight top prospects as part of a package for pitcher Felix Hernandez. According to the report, the Sox made available a group of players that included right-handed pitchers Clay Buchholz, Daniel Bard, Justin Masterson and Michael Bowden, as well as left-handers Nick Hagadone and Felix Doubront, shortstop Yamaico Navarro and outfielder Josh Reddick. Baker said that the Mariners declined that offer, and so the Sox tried to arrange a three-way deal that would include the Padres and send first baseman Adrian Gonzalez, Buchholz and other prospects, with the Padres receiving prospects from both the Red Sox and Mariners.

Baker said that the Mariners declined the offer, feeling that a similar package would be available at a subsequent date should they ever decide to deal Hernandez. The pitcher, who is making $3.8 million this year, does not become eligible for free agency until 2011. Hernandez is 12-4 with a 2.78 ERA this year.
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As affordable and good as Felix is, I dont know how anyone could turn that offer down. ANY 5 of those 8 players??

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i would turn it down if i was the mariners to, i personally dont think any of the named pitchers are as good as what they are hyped up to be

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Because they want to keep trotting Ryan Rowland-Smith out there? Because the "Brandon Morrow As Closer Experiment" worked so well? Getting 3 starters, a closer, and an OF for one guy isn't that bad...

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Agreed. It's great to have a top of the rotation ace pitcher, but if you can improve half your team with 1 guy I dont see why you would turn it down. They could have a SS in Navarro, 2 SP, Bard as a closer and an starting OF in Reddick.

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They just traded for a former Allstar SS in Jack Wilson, I like Yamico but he would be lucky to be half of Jack Wilson. They also have one of the best closers in the game in their pen, they got him from the Red Sox too.

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Tomlinson21RB said:

bradical said:

Hopefully the Mariners realize that Felix is more than their number 1 starter. He puts fans in the seats, much like Ichiro, brings a new demographic as a Mariner fan, and lastly, takes the pressure off their shaky bullpen, knowing their ace-in-the-hole has no problems going 7 or 8 strong.

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You know what else puts butts in seats? Winning.

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ProspectorsAdvantage said:

Tomlinson21RB said:

bradical said:

Hopefully the Mariners realize that Felix is more than their number 1 starter. He puts fans in the seats, much like Ichiro, brings a new demographic as a Mariner fan, and lastly, takes the pressure off their shaky bullpen, knowing their ace-in-the-hole has no problems going 7 or 8 strong.

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You know what else puts butts in seats? Winning.

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How many games do you think the M's would win with Clay and Daniel Bard? Would Clay be a front of the line guy? Sure he has shown flashes of being a #1 but he is still a year or two away from full potential. Felix is there with 2 years of age on Clay. Put Clay, Bard and the other guys offered and they are going to lose a ton of games for a few years.

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bungle77 said:

ProspectorsAdvantage said:

Tomlinson21RB said:

bradical said:

Hopefully the Mariners realize that Felix is more than their number 1 starter. He puts fans in the seats, much like Ichiro, brings a new demographic as a Mariner fan, and lastly, takes the pressure off their shaky bullpen, knowing their ace-in-the-hole has no problems going 7 or 8 strong.

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You know what else puts butts in seats? Winning.

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How many games do you think the M's would win with Clay and Daniel Bard? Would Clay be a front of the line guy? Sure he has shown flashes of being a #1 but he is still a year or two away from full potential. Felix is there with 2 years of age on Clay. Put Clay, Bard and the other guys offered and they are going to lose a ton of games for a few years.

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I don't think anyone is arguing that Clay is better than Felix (I know I'm not).
I'm arguing that getting 5 potential starters (at least two of which being difference makers) is better than one guy languishing on a 3rd place team.

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Brett Keith said:

The Red Sox want Felix? Buchholz, Bowden, Tazawa, Rizzo, Westmoreland. As good as Bard is, the M's aren't hurting for young, power arms in the bullpen(Aumont, Fields). Reddick is also very good, but we already have from right to left, Ichiro, Franklin Gutierrez, and Michael Saunders. Then ofcourse Ackley is supposedly going to be converted into an OF'er. Westmoreland is far enough away to go after and see what shakes out with the situation. We'd leave you Casey Kelly and Lars Anderson.

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