2010 Bowman Chrome information

[uniquebaseballcards]

Technically there's not much difference between these sellers (or middlemen as you say) and the sellers (technically middlemen) who bust and sell on eBay (yet another middleman).

Who should make the most profit, the people who make the stuff, distribute the stuff or sell the stuff? Obviously all on the chain are going to try to max their own profit. Funny that all of this doesn't seem to affect the value of singles.

I think you're right that there may be a point where critical mass is reached and Topps sells more *singles* directly online to maximize their own profit, but I don't think that would happen with boxes/cases. When that happens, links on the chain will disappear.

middle man, distributor, whatever you want to call them. I love the service that they all provide, but it is getting silly. Especially since there are many card shops that use those sites to gauge pricing. So these sites go NUTS on their pricing the day they receive infromation, and four months out, it screws all of us.

 

[BowmanChromeAddict]

cgilmo wrote:Atlanta isn't a distributor

middle man, distributor, whatever you want to call them. I love the service that they all provide, but it is getting silly. Especially since there are many card shops that use those sites to gauge pricing. So these sites go NUTS on their pricing the day they receive infromation, and four months out, it screws all of us.

The thing is, regardless of what we do the secondary market is gonna boom. This is bigger than educated collectors.

That's the problem. As an educated case breaker, this product is not a $1000 case. No where close, not with this checklist. By the time this product releases Strasburg will have autos in at least 4 products, maybe more. We also have no idea if he'll be short printed. If he is, that is even less value. I've got a price in mind. If the wholesalers/distributors that I solicit aren't willing to do that price, I'll pass. Hype may drive this product up in the short term, but I don't see any way that hyped prices will hold to release...not without major changes. There was very obvious value to Bowman w/Chrome, but BC just doesn't have the meat to it to command prices anywhere near where ATL is right now. The October release is a MAJOR drawback.

 

[PeteD]

Pedro Alvarez a Green RC?

 

[SeattleSports]

cgilmo wrote:Atlanta isn't a distributor

middle man, distributor, whatever you want to call them. I love the service that they all provide, but it is getting silly. Especially since there are many card shops that use those sites to gauge pricing. So these sites go NUTS on their pricing the day they receive infromation, and four months out, it screws all of us.

The thing is, regardless of what we do the secondary market is gonna boom. This is bigger than educated collectors.

That's the problem. As an educated case breaker, this product is not a $1000 case. No where close, not with this checklist. By the time this product releases Strasburg will have autos in at least 4 products, maybe more. We also have no idea if he'll be short printed. If he is, that is even less value. I've got a price in mind. If the wholesalers/distributors that I solicit aren't willing to do that price, I'll pass. Hype may drive this product up in the short term, but I don't see any way that hyped prices will hold to release...not without major changes. There was very obvious value to Bowman w/Chrome, but BC just doesn't have the meat to it to command prices anywhere near where ATL is right now. The October release is a MAJOR drawback.

Jim,

Do you do Topps Chrome at all or strictly Bowman products?

 

[BowmanChromeAddict]

cgilmo wrote:Atlanta isn't a distributor

middle man, distributor, whatever you want to call them. I love the service that they all provide, but it is getting silly. Especially since there are many card shops that use those sites to gauge pricing. So these sites go NUTS on their pricing the day they receive infromation, and four months out, it screws all of us.

The thing is, regardless of what we do the secondary market is gonna boom. This is bigger than educated collectors.

That's the problem. As an educated case breaker, this product is not a $1000 case. No where close, not with this checklist. By the time this product releases Strasburg will have autos in at least 4 products, maybe more. We also have no idea if he'll be short printed. If he is, that is even less value. I've got a price in mind. If the wholesalers/distributors that I solicit aren't willing to do that price, I'll pass. Hype may drive this product up in the short term, but I don't see any way that hyped prices will hold to release...not without major changes. There was very obvious value to Bowman w/Chrome, but BC just doesn't have the meat to it to command prices anywhere near where ATL is right now. The October release is a MAJOR drawback.

Jim,

Do you do Topps Chrome at all or strictly Bowman products?

I've ripped TC once or twice, but I don't think I ever came out ahead. Not really my product.

 

[jake9494]

Still no Tommy Joseph?!

I agree

 

[J.O.]

wow
they were 64.99 on global at 6 pm but i was on my iphone
now i go to buy and they are 72.99 no biggie- oh yea they're sold out ::facepalm::

 

[cmnkb8]

I'll wait until January 2011 to buy cases, when Strasburg mania will have have cooled down with football in full swing (and 2010 BDP will probably be out to draw attention away from regular BC). Assuming Strasburg's performance doesn't completely tank in the coming months, I'll bet case prices will be around $750 by then if there aren't any significant additions to the checklist from now until release.

 

[jcmint]

Well said Jim

cgilmo wrote:Atlanta isn't a distributor

middle man, distributor, whatever you want to call them. I love the service that they all provide, but it is getting silly. Especially since there are many card shops that use those sites to gauge pricing. So these sites go NUTS on their pricing the day they receive infromation, and four months out, it screws all of us.

The thing is, regardless of what we do the secondary market is gonna boom. This is bigger than educated collectors.

That's the problem. As an educated case breaker, this product is not a $1000 case. No where close, not with this checklist. By the time this product releases Strasburg will have autos in at least 4 products, maybe more. We also have no idea if he'll be short printed. If he is, that is even less value. I've got a price in mind. If the wholesalers/distributors that I solicit aren't willing to do that price, I'll pass. Hype may drive this product up in the short term, but I don't see any way that hyped prices will hold to release...not without major changes. There was very obvious value to Bowman w/Chrome, but BC just doesn't have the meat to it to command prices anywhere near where ATL is right now. The October release is a MAJOR drawback.

 

[bmc398]

Well said Jim

cgilmo wrote:Atlanta isn't a distributor

middle man, distributor, whatever you want to call them. I love the service that they all provide, but it is getting silly. Especially since there are many card shops that use those sites to gauge pricing. So these sites go NUTS on their pricing the day they receive infromation, and four months out, it screws all of us.

The thing is, regardless of what we do the secondary market is gonna boom. This is bigger than educated collectors.

That's the problem. As an educated case breaker, this product is not a $1000 case. No where close, not with this checklist. By the time this product releases Strasburg will have autos in at least 4 products, maybe more. We also have no idea if he'll be short printed. If he is, that is even less value. I've got a price in mind. If the wholesalers/distributors that I solicit aren't willing to do that price, I'll pass. Hype may drive this product up in the short term, but I don't see any way that hyped prices will hold to release...not without major changes. There was very obvious value to Bowman w/Chrome, but BC just doesn't have the meat to it to command prices anywhere near where ATL is right now. The October release is a MAJOR drawback.

What the "middlemen" are doing right now is ridiculous and needs to stop. I've got a case saved through my source and WILL NOT be going out on the open market for this. AT ALL. I mean, presells are already so high that the big casebreakers aren't going to touch it until it drops like $300. Thats a long way to come down on the hype.

I disagree with blowouts policy of selling something and then raising prices....but its their prerogative and some idiot keeps on buying....

I won't be touching this at all on the open market. Nor will I bust anything else that is inflated artificially by these big wholesalers and distributors. It turned from "hey, this is a hot product, lets up the price" to "Hey, lets gouge the **** out of these idiots because they keep buying" While they are profiting in the short term, in the long term they are alienating long time customers who know its not common practice to pay $120 for Ginter, $100 for Topps Chrome and $100 for Bowman Chrome on release.

 

[Bruin7]

Everyone, do NOT fall for blatant price gouging. Happens every time with BC and BDP as info first releases. Establish a firm limit, and stick to it. Wait them out, and if they refuse to be reasonable, stick to singles.

+1

If you have a relationship with online vendors or even your B&M, you can get this product at 10% over cost. Its ridiculous what the cases are preselling for right now.

Allen

 

[cgilmo]

Everyone, do NOT fall for blatant price gouging. Happens every time with BC and BDP as info first releases. Establish a firm limit, and stick to it. Wait them out, and if they refuse to be reasonable, stick to singles.

+1

If you have a relationship with online vendors or even your B&M, you can get this product at 10% over cost. Its ridiculous what the cases are preselling for right now.

Allen

IF you have maintained that relationship. Shops should have no problem getting this product at least initially.

 

[bmc398]

I'm down for a boycott Blowout/Atl Sportscards thread. What they have done is rediculous.

 

[cgilmo]

I'm down for a boycott Blowout/Atl Sportscards thread. What they have done is rediculous.

such a thread would get obliterated so hard

 

[All In Cards]

I'm down for a boycott Blowout/Atl Sportscards thread. What they have done is rediculous.

If anything Boycott everything associated with MLB and MLBPA, they are the ones that did it.

Having one game in town and now everyone buying that 1 product will push prices up.

Supply vs Demand. Very simple.

 

[phillyfan0417]

I'm down for a boycott Blowout/Atl Sportscards thread. What they have done is rediculous.

If anything Boycott everything associated with MLB and MLBPA, they are the ones that did it.

Having one game in town and now everyone buying that 1 product will push prices up.

Supply vs Demand. Very simple.

There it is.

Not really rocket science.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

Also, let's keep in mind that this is a perfect storm for distributors...single manufacturer with a more limited run of products (cutting out many of the products that die on shelves that they end up losing on), poor economy (almost begging for them to "make their nut" early on strong products) and the possibility of a one in a decade type prospect hype.

People are still buying 2010 Bowman Jumbos for 3X cost and that product is just over a month old.

Better yet, blame Strasburg...it's his fault (through success and possible success) that is driving this.

 

[cgilmo]

Think about this...

If the major online retailers put it out there at a $725 pre sale, what do you think would happen?

How long do you think that would last?


What would happen to all the product? It would end up in the hands of resellers who would then sell it for $1200 a case or whatever they could.

 

[bmc398]

I'm down for a boycott Blowout/Atl Sportscards thread. What they have done is rediculous.

If anything Boycott everything associated with MLB and MLBPA, they are the ones that did it.

Having one game in town and now everyone buying that 1 product will push prices up.

Supply vs Demand. Very simple.

There it is.

Not really rocket science.

I went to business school....im not idiot. I understand how things work.

In this case though, the demand is superficial to an extend because its new entrants into the market who have no clue what true past market values were. If you think $350+ for a Jumbo of 2010 Bowman is the true equilibrium price for it you are nuts.

Sure, im upset because Im basically being priced out of the market 4+ months before release of these future products. If i'm being priced out though, who else is too? My guess is that includes a lot of people.

 

[bmc398]

Think about this...

If the major online retailers put it out there at a $725 pre sale, what do you think would happen?

How long do you think that would last?


What would happen to all the product? It would end up in the hands of resellers who would then sell it for $1200 a case or whatever they could.

Im not a fan of pre sells at all...thats not what im arguing for. Im just not a fan of the back end price gouging on this crap. You can take it in stride and pay rediculous prices or do something about it. Im voting with my wallet.