andyduke86
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There is absolutely no valid argument for anyone over Greinke, especially Felix.
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I agree with this...Frow said:Gotta go with Greinke. He's been amazing and working with so little.
Some Greinke vs Felix stats that are biased the other way. Just for fun
Greinke has only received and average of 3.75 runs per game of support which is actually up from 3.40 that he had for most of the season while Felix is sitting pretty with 4.28.
The Mariners have never failed to score with Felix on the mound, while Greinke received no run support in 4 games,
In 31 Starts the Royals scored 3 runs or less 19 times or 63% of his starts. For the Mariners Felix received 4 runs or more in 19 games for the same 63% of the time.
Half of Greinke's losses came in games were he gave up 3 or fewer runs. Twice he gave up only 1 run. In all of Felix's losses he gave up at least 5 runs (in one gave he gave up 3 earned, but had 6 runs total)
Greinke has 10 games where he gave up 0 earned runs. Felix has two fewer. Greinke has also only give up 5 or more runs twice where as Felix has done it 5 times.
Ok...bored of comparing just will give these
Greinke
ERA - 1st
WHIP - 1st
Hits/IP - 1st
BoB/IP - 6th
K/9 - 3rd
IP - 4th
SO - 2nd
CG - 2nd
SHO - 1st
K/BB - 2nd
HR/9 - 1st
Adjusted ERA - 1st
Honestly though. I would think Verlander would be a better candidate than Felix.
Frow said:Gotta go with Greinke. He's been amazing and working with so little.
Some Greinke vs Felix stats that are biased the other way. Just for fun
Greinke has only received and average of 3.75 runs per game of support which is actually up from 3.40 that he had for most of the season while Felix is sitting pretty with 4.28.
The Mariners have never failed to score with Felix on the mound, while Greinke received no run support in 4 games,
In 31 Starts the Royals scored 3 runs or less 19 times or 63% of his starts. For the Mariners Felix received 4 runs or more in 19 games for the same 63% of the time.
Half of Greinke's losses came in games were he gave up 3 or fewer runs. Twice he gave up only 1 run. In all of Felix's losses he gave up at least 5 runs (in one gave he gave up 3 earned, but had 6 runs total)
Greinke has 10 games where he gave up 0 earned runs. Felix has two fewer. Greinke has also only give up 5 or more runs twice where as Felix has done it 5 times.
Ok...bored of comparing just will give these
Greinke
ERA - 1st
WHIP - 1st
Hits/IP - 1st
BoB/IP - 6th
K/9 - 3rd
IP - 4th
SO - 2nd
CG - 2nd
SHO - 1st
K/BB - 2nd
HR/9 - 1st
Adjusted ERA - 1st
Honestly though. I would think Verlander would be a better candidate than Felix.
js0000001 said:C.C. pitches in the hardest division
ALL_THE_HYPE said:It's Greinke's award this year, but I sure do hate not even seeing Verlander on the poll list (he's been more impressive than Sabathia this year). Verlander has 17 wins this year, a very good ERA in the low to mid 3s and leads the Majors in Strikeouts. Can't he even be put on the list as his own option instead of as an "other"?
The best thing I've heard all year was on baseball tonight the other day. Kruk was talking about this race and at that time they were talking specifically about Greinke and Sabathia (who had just come off another win).
Kruk's argument was if you put Greinke on the Yankees (a.k.a. the best team in baseball like Sabathia has had the luxury of playing on) and Sabathia on the Royals (a.k.a. one of the worst 5 teams in baseball) and then looked at what their stats would be, this race wouldn't even be close. Greinke would have at least 22 wins already with the way he's pitched to go along with the better ERA and more Ks.
bradical said:I'm floored how close CC is to Felix in this poll. The Yankee camp seems to be blinded by their own pin stripes.
fengzhang said:You've listed a lot of factors but many of them belong more in the category of "trivia" than "arguments for Felix Hernandez." In the end, it doesn't matter who has the better ERA on the fourth Wednesday of every month. Greinke has a 0.41 advantage in the ERA department for the season. This is substantial. Lower WHIP. More strikeouts. Felix Hernandez has a slight edge in wins. Frankly, the 0.41 ERA difference alone is enough to separate the two if there's not a huge difference in wins. I could point out that Greinke has more complete games, more shutouts, and many more esoteric stats but when it comes down to it, there are certain stats that carry more weight than others:
ERA, strikeouts, WHIP, BAA, wins, IP
CC leads the league in wins.Jays_Cards said:js0000001 said:C.C. pitches in the hardest division
....and his stats are roughly half as good as Greinke's....
rookieautos said:CC leads the league in wins.Jays_Cards said:js0000001 said:C.C. pitches in the hardest division
....and his stats are roughly half as good as Greinke's....
Sly said:ALL_THE_HYPE said:It's Greinke's award this year, but I sure do hate not even seeing Verlander on the poll list (he's been more impressive than Sabathia this year). Verlander has 17 wins this year, a very good ERA in the low to mid 3s and leads the Majors in Strikeouts. Can't he even be put on the list as his own option instead of as an "other"?
The best thing I've heard all year was on baseball tonight the other day. Kruk was talking about this race and at that time they were talking specifically about Greinke and Sabathia (who had just come off another win).
Kruk's argument was if you put Greinke on the Yankees (a.k.a. the best team in baseball like Sabathia has had the luxury of playing on) and Sabathia on the Royals (a.k.a. one of the worst 5 teams in baseball) and then looked at what their stats would be, this race wouldn't even be close. Greinke would have at least 22 wins already with the way he's pitched to go along with the better ERA and more Ks.
I get that there is some debate for Verlander, but I don't get any argument where he's a better choice than Greinke, CC or Felix.
Of the four, Verlander has the worst ERA, worst WHIP, worst BAA, most losses, most HRs. If all had 33 starts by now, Verlander would have the least amount of IPs.
Verlander shouldn't even really be in the discussion in the way of winning the award (which was what the poll was). Hell, I've yet to even see a good argument for why CC should get it over Felix and Greinke.
ALL_THE_HYPE said:Sly said:[quote="ALL_THE_HYPE":ynk5jlpr]It's Greinke's award this year, but I sure do hate not even seeing Verlander on the poll list (he's been more impressive than Sabathia this year). Verlander has 17 wins this year, a very good ERA in the low to mid 3s and leads the Majors in Strikeouts. Can't he even be put on the list as his own option instead of as an "other"?
The best thing I've heard all year was on baseball tonight the other day. Kruk was talking about this race and at that time they were talking specifically about Greinke and Sabathia (who had just come off another win).
Kruk's argument was if you put Greinke on the Yankees (a.k.a. the best team in baseball like Sabathia has had the luxury of playing on) and Sabathia on the Royals (a.k.a. one of the worst 5 teams in baseball) and then looked at what their stats would be, this race wouldn't even be close. Greinke would have at least 22 wins already with the way he's pitched to go along with the better ERA and more Ks.
I get that there is some debate for Verlander, but I don't get any argument where he's a better choice than Greinke, CC or Felix.
Of the four, Verlander has the worst ERA, worst WHIP, worst BAA, most losses, most HRs. If all had 33 starts by now, Verlander would have the least amount of IPs.
Verlander shouldn't even really be in the discussion in the way of winning the award (which was what the poll was). Hell, I've yet to even see a good argument for why CC should get it over Felix and Greinke.