Is this card good enough for the proposed fcbs museum?

[thenumberonemetfan]

[quote="moxacaine":2k80itps][quote="miguelcabrera":2k80itps]the museum I feel should just be 1/1's and other rare moderns (like low numbered buttons, barrels that are out of 2-6, and logo patches that are numbered to 6 or lower, and other nice cards), thats what the modern player collector collects, musuem it

disagree.

then what should be in it? Do you really want a museum where everyone gets there best cards in it? Do you really want a museum to look at not so rare cards and cards almost anyone can obtain anytime they want? I know I dont.

I know i dont want to see a bunch of 1/1 stickers or superfractors.

I agree, i wouldnt want to see an Adam Cowart super in there. :lol:

I agree that those cards should be included miggy but i dont think any bat barrel or any logoman should be included. Clemente barrel? YES, Miggy barrel? No

I would probably vote a miggy barrel in if it didnt have a sticker auto, AND if it had a sweet design. Too much foil imho takes away. Miggy is one of the best current players, so some of his best current stuff should get in.[/quote:2k80itps]



I'd agree, i would say an 09 sweet spot miggy barrel should not make it in, horrible design and numbered way too high.[/quote:2k80itps]


whats it numbered to?

 

[Adamsince1981]

1/1 seems to be the glarring issue. Perhaps this was an error on my part and there is a huge segment that falls under the 1/1 category that wouldn't be Museum worthy.

I agree.

well only true 1/1's should be in
plates suck
m and m reds are not true 1/1's
DK is not true 1/1's
the sp authentic game dated cards are not true 1/1's

a bunch of others arnt

i would even say triple threads platinum 1/1's are not true 1/1's (except the patch versions)

1/1 should have NO, ZERO bearing on if a card gets in. Each card should be voted on its own.

I would not vote ANY plates, VERY FEW STICKER autos, or any 1/1 that looks just like another non 1/1, with just slight deviation.

I covered plates.

 

[moxacaine]

1/1 seems to be the glarring issue. Perhaps this was an error on my part and there is a huge segment that falls under the 1/1 category that wouldn't be Museum worthy.

I agree.

well only true 1/1's should be in
plates suck
m and m reds are not true 1/1's
DK is not true 1/1's
the sp authentic game dated cards are not true 1/1's

a bunch of others arnt

i would even say triple threads platinum 1/1's are not true 1/1's (except the patch versions)

1/1 should have NO, ZERO bearing on if a card gets in. Each card should be voted on its own.

I would not vote ANY plates, VERY FEW STICKER autos, or any 1/1 that looks just like another non 1/1, with just slight deviation.

I agree on the 1/1 thing but how could you not have a card like the 06 BDP Longoria Super in the museum?

 

[scotty21690]

What are the qualifications?


Aesthetics?
Rarity?
Value?
Combo of the above?



I have a feeling this will be a large museum, lol!

 

[Superfractor]

1/1 seems to be the glarring issue. Perhaps this was an error on my part and there is a huge segment that falls under the 1/1 category that wouldn't be Museum worthy.

I agree.

well only true 1/1's should be in
plates suck
m and m reds are not true 1/1's
DK is not true 1/1's
the sp authentic game dated cards are not true 1/1's

a bunch of others arnt

i would even say triple threads platinum 1/1's are not true 1/1's (except the patch versions)

1/1 should have NO, ZERO bearing on if a card gets in. Each card should be voted on its own.

I would not vote ANY plates, VERY FEW STICKER autos, or any 1/1 that looks just like another non 1/1, with just slight deviation.

I agree on the 1/1 thing but how could you not have a card like the 06 BDP Longoria Super in the museum?

Pardon my ignorance: Has that been pulled yet?

 

[Adamsince1981]

1/1 seems to be the glarring issue. Perhaps this was an error on my part and there is a huge segment that falls under the 1/1 category that wouldn't be Museum worthy.

I agree.

well only true 1/1's should be in
plates suck
m and m reds are not true 1/1's
DK is not true 1/1's
the sp authentic game dated cards are not true 1/1's

a bunch of others arnt

i would even say triple threads platinum 1/1's are not true 1/1's (except the patch versions)

1/1 should have NO, ZERO bearing on if a card gets in. Each card should be voted on its own.

I would not vote ANY plates, VERY FEW STICKER autos, or any 1/1 that looks just like another non 1/1, with just slight deviation.

I agree on the 1/1 thing but how could you not have a card like the 06 BDP Longoria Super in the museum?

It would be w/o question. Even if the entire board voted on a set of qualifications and those qualifications excluded the Longo 06 Super....the board vote would be a landslide.

To me, that is a no brainer that someone could put in the museum automatically.

 

[Adamsince1981]

What are the qualifications?


Aesthetics?
Rarity?
Value?
Combo of the above?



I have a feeling this will be a large museum, lol!

It wouldn't be small. The cards that would qualify would be more towards Rarity, Value...basically every card would be very hard to obtain due to scarcity or value.

 

[hofautos]

Better cards should be showed off. Elitism? This is a message board on the internet, if you dont like it and feel bad, get off. And if you really feel bad because of the internet get a better life. And I voted yes on accident, so that cancels out nyc's thing.

I never gave a crap but it lead to hostility as this thread has already proven. People are getting offended when their card isnt considered hof fame worthy and others need to point this out, which equals elitism.

Well if they really feel bad, they simply need to get a better life. People know when one card is better than another and if people really feel that bad that their card isnt worthy, save up or stop collecting.

I don't feel bad at all...just surprised that someone would rather see a 1/1 sticker than a classic set with the all time strikeout record. I think it is just an age gap thing, where some don't see the sticker thing and 1/1 thing as just a marketing game. 1/1 means absolutely nothing to me if the card has little significance or a bad design. Sticker takes so MUCH away from any card, because the sticker could have been signed 5 years previously. The card would have to have some TREMENDOUS design for me to consider a sticker...the 2004 SP's come to mind.... Upset or feel bad, not at all.

 

[wolfmanalfredo]

I can't even beleive how cool Mike is. I'm also in total agreement on the 1/1 arguement. I'd much Rather have the Bench/Ryan dual then a card that is the same as 100 other cards in the set, just a different color.

 

[hofautos]

What are the qualifications?


Aesthetics?
Rarity?
Value?
Combo of the above?



I have a feeling this will be a large museum, lol!

It wouldn't be small. The cards that would qualify would be more towards Rarity, Value...basically every card would be very hard to obtain due to scarcity or value.

Player should make a difference too. There shouldn't be any Tulo's in it...just being honest to make a point.

 

[miguelcabrera]

Better cards should be showed off. Elitism? This is a message board on the internet, if you dont like it and feel bad, get off. And if you really feel bad because of the internet get a better life. And I voted yes on accident, so that cancels out nyc's thing.

I never gave a crap but it lead to hostility as this thread has already proven. People are getting offended when their card isnt considered hof fame worthy and others need to point this out, which equals elitism.

Well if they really feel bad, they simply need to get a better life. People know when one card is better than another and if people really feel that bad that their card isnt worthy, save up or stop collecting.

I don't feel bad at all...just surprised that someone would rather see a 1/1 sticker than a classic set with the all time strikeout record. I think it is just an age gap thing, where some don't see the sticker thing and 1/1 thing as just a marketing game. 1/1 means absolutely nothing to me if the card has little significance or a bad design. Sticker takes so MUCH away from any card, because the sticker could have been signed 5 years previously. The card would have to have some TREMENDOUS design for me to consider a sticker...the 2004 SP's come to mind.... Upset or feel bad, not at all.

I think you are missing the point though and what Adam is trying to do. Sure the nolan ryan auto from sterling is a great card but anyone can see it or something like it by searching nolan ryan sterling on ebay. adam wants to create a museum where ppl can see cards that they cannot see by just going to ebay.

 

[Adamsince1981]

Better cards should be showed off. Elitism? This is a message board on the internet, if you dont like it and feel bad, get off. And if you really feel bad because of the internet get a better life. And I voted yes on accident, so that cancels out nyc's thing.

I never gave a crap but it lead to hostility as this thread has already proven. People are getting offended when their card isnt considered hof fame worthy and others need to point this out, which equals elitism.

Well if they really feel bad, they simply need to get a better life. People know when one card is better than another and if people really feel that bad that their card isnt worthy, save up or stop collecting.

I don't feel bad at all...just surprised that someone would rather see a 1/1 sticker than a classic set with the all time strikeout record. I think it is just an age gap thing, where some don't see the sticker thing and 1/1 thing as just a marketing game. 1/1 means absolutely nothing to me if the card has little significance or a bad design. Sticker takes so MUCH away from any card, because the sticker could have been signed 5 years previously. The card would have to have some TREMENDOUS design for me to consider a sticker...the 2004 SP's come to mind.... Upset or feel bad, not at all.

No one said this, you simply pointed out a flaw in the qualifications.

This example covers the Ryan card...

As a die-Hard Cardinals fan: Musial has a Topps autograph that is a reprint of his 1948 Bowman and it is on card. It is very rare and hardly ever shows up. I've owned it once and regret selling it.

I personally wouldn't put it in the Museum because the Museum would allow for a high grade of his actual 1948 Bowman RC and a PSA/JSA DNA on card auto of his 48 Bowman RC...and a manufactured reprint doesn't come close to either of those regardless of how crisp, clean, desirable, and hard to obtain the card is.

 

[Adamsince1981]

What are the qualifications?


Aesthetics?
Rarity?
Value?
Combo of the above?



I have a feeling this will be a large museum, lol!

It wouldn't be small. The cards that would qualify would be more towards Rarity, Value...basically every card would be very hard to obtain due to scarcity or value.

Player should make a difference too. There shouldn't be any Tulo's in it...just being honest to make a point.

Player opens up a huge can of worms. Most guys that have a logo or barral made from them are going to be descent players, I don't think you are going to run into many problems with player issues...

I can assure you that the 05 BC Tulo Super would be voted into the Museum.

 

[Superfractor]

What are the qualifications?


Aesthetics?
Rarity?
Value?
Combo of the above?



I have a feeling this will be a large museum, lol!

It wouldn't be small. The cards that would qualify would be more towards Rarity, Value...basically every card would be very hard to obtain due to scarcity or value.

Player should make a difference too. There shouldn't be any Tulo's in it...just being honest to make a point.

Player opens up a huge can of worms. Most guys that have a logo or barral made from them are going to be descent players, I don't think you are going to run into many problems with player issues...

I can assure you that the 05 BC Tulo Super would be voted into the Museum.

Damn straight.

If value is a contingency, there's no doubt that card would not be included in this collaboration.

 

[hofautos]

Better cards should be showed off. Elitism? This is a message board on the internet, if you dont like it and feel bad, get off. And if you really feel bad because of the internet get a better life. And I voted yes on accident, so that cancels out nyc's thing.

I never gave a crap but it lead to hostility as this thread has already proven. People are getting offended when their card isnt considered hof fame worthy and others need to point this out, which equals elitism.

Well if they really feel bad, they simply need to get a better life. People know when one card is better than another and if people really feel that bad that their card isnt worthy, save up or stop collecting.

I don't feel bad at all...just surprised that someone would rather see a 1/1 sticker than a classic set with the all time strikeout record. I think it is just an age gap thing, where some don't see the sticker thing and 1/1 thing as just a marketing game. 1/1 means absolutely nothing to me if the card has little significance or a bad design. Sticker takes so MUCH away from any card, because the sticker could have been signed 5 years previously. The card would have to have some TREMENDOUS design for me to consider a sticker...the 2004 SP's come to mind.... Upset or feel bad, not at all.

No one said this, you simply pointed out a flaw in the qualifications.

This example covers the Ryan card...

As a die-Hard Cardinals fan: Musial has a Topps autograph that is a reprint of his 1948 Bowman and it is on card. It is very rare and hardly ever shows up. I've owned it once and regret selling it.

I personally wouldn't put it in the Museum because the Museum would allow for a high grade of his actual 1948 Bowman RC and a PSA/JSA DNA on card auto of his 48 Bowman RC...and a manufactured reprint doesn't come close to either of those regardless of how crisp, clean, desirable, and hard to obtain the card is.

That is why I suggest every card be presented a poll. If we want it to be a true representation of FCBS, rather than a committee.
I also don't see a problem with both of those cards getting in that you recommended, based on aesthetics and "popular vote".
In your hypothetic cards, for me personally...

There are a ton of signed 1948 musial autos on ebay every day. I could see one getting voted in if it was centered, had a nice auto, and a nice casing...something that made it stand out. I probably would vote no on the 48 reprint, because they are not that rare and typically sell for under $50....doesn't sound like a lot of demand. I say let it stand on it's own in the polls.

 

[Adamsince1981]

Better cards should be showed off. Elitism? This is a message board on the internet, if you dont like it and feel bad, get off. And if you really feel bad because of the internet get a better life. And I voted yes on accident, so that cancels out nyc's thing.

I never gave a crap but it lead to hostility as this thread has already proven. People are getting offended when their card isnt considered hof fame worthy and others need to point this out, which equals elitism.

Well if they really feel bad, they simply need to get a better life. People know when one card is better than another and if people really feel that bad that their card isnt worthy, save up or stop collecting.

I don't feel bad at all...just surprised that someone would rather see a 1/1 sticker than a classic set with the all time strikeout record. I think it is just an age gap thing, where some don't see the sticker thing and 1/1 thing as just a marketing game. 1/1 means absolutely nothing to me if the card has little significance or a bad design. Sticker takes so MUCH away from any card, because the sticker could have been signed 5 years previously. The card would have to have some TREMENDOUS design for me to consider a sticker...the 2004 SP's come to mind.... Upset or feel bad, not at all.

I think you are missing the point though and what Adam is trying to do. Sure the nolan ryan auto from sterling is a great card but anyone can see it or something like it by searching nolan ryan sterling on ebay. adam wants to create a museum where ppl can see cards that they cannot see by just going to ebay.

Or search and search and search and search for a simple picture of a cool card...

Imagine using the little scroll tool and every card that goes by is simply jaw dropping regardless of your collecting habits....

 

[moxacaine]

Better cards should be showed off. Elitism? This is a message board on the internet, if you dont like it and feel bad, get off. And if you really feel bad because of the internet get a better life. And I voted yes on accident, so that cancels out nyc's thing.

I never gave a crap but it lead to hostility as this thread has already proven. People are getting offended when their card isnt considered hof fame worthy and others need to point this out, which equals elitism.

Well if they really feel bad, they simply need to get a better life. People know when one card is better than another and if people really feel that bad that their card isnt worthy, save up or stop collecting.

I don't feel bad at all...just surprised that someone would rather see a 1/1 sticker than a classic set with the all time strikeout record. I think it is just an age gap thing, where some don't see the sticker thing and 1/1 thing as just a marketing game. 1/1 means absolutely nothing to me if the card has little significance or a bad design. Sticker takes so MUCH away from any card, because the sticker could have been signed 5 years previously. The card would have to have some TREMENDOUS design for me to consider a sticker...the 2004 SP's come to mind.... Upset or feel bad, not at all.

your ryan sterling is really no different than a normal chrome parallel set if you think about it. how many different versions of that card are out there /10? quite a few and the only difference is one might say something about no hitters and the next one will be 5000ks there are many variations of the same card.

 

[Adamsince1981]

[quote="miguelcabrera":1db7knmq]Better cards should be showed off. Elitism? This is a message board on the internet, if you dont like it and feel bad, get off. And if you really feel bad because of the internet get a better life. And I voted yes on accident, so that cancels out nyc's thing.

I never gave a crap but it lead to hostility as this thread has already proven. People are getting offended when their card isnt considered hof fame worthy and others need to point this out, which equals elitism.

Well if they really feel bad, they simply need to get a better life. People know when one card is better than another and if people really feel that bad that their card isnt worthy, save up or stop collecting.

I don't feel bad at all...just surprised that someone would rather see a 1/1 sticker than a classic set with the all time strikeout record. I think it is just an age gap thing, where some don't see the sticker thing and 1/1 thing as just a marketing game. 1/1 means absolutely nothing to me if the card has little significance or a bad design. Sticker takes so MUCH away from any card, because the sticker could have been signed 5 years previously. The card would have to have some TREMENDOUS design for me to consider a sticker...the 2004 SP's come to mind.... Upset or feel bad, not at all.

No one said this, you simply pointed out a flaw in the qualifications.

This example covers the Ryan card...

As a die-Hard Cardinals fan: Musial has a Topps autograph that is a reprint of his 1948 Bowman and it is on card. It is very rare and hardly ever shows up. I've owned it once and regret selling it.

I personally wouldn't put it in the Museum because the Museum would allow for a high grade of his actual 1948 Bowman RC and a PSA/JSA DNA on card auto of his 48 Bowman RC...and a manufactured reprint doesn't come close to either of those regardless of how crisp, clean, desirable, and hard to obtain the card is.

That is why I suggest every card be presented a poll. If we want it to be a true representation of FCBS, rather than a committee.
I also don't see a problem with both of those cards getting in that you recommended, based on aesthetics and "popular vote".
In your hypothetic cards, for me personally...

There are a ton of signed 1948 musial autos on ebay every day. I could see one getting voted in if it was centered, had a nice auto, and a nice casing...something that made it stand out. I probably would vote no on the 48 reprint, because they are not that rare and typically sell for under $50....doesn't sound like a lot of demand. I say let it stand on it's own in the polls.[/quote:1db7knmq]

...this is why brain storming is great...

Only 1 copy of a Vintage or Vintage PSA JSA DNA autograph card in the Museum, the current one and a new entrant will be voted on and the winner will be in the museum.

 

[hofautos]

I can assure you that the 05 BC Tulo Super would be voted into the Museum.

Based on what? Do all superfractors get in then?
If so, put them in their own folder so those that aren't impressed, dont have to bother looking...they look the same as 5000 other superfactors, and just slightly different than 100,000 others in different colors.

But maybe since he is soooo good, we should let all tulos in?

 

[Sean_C]

Just my thought, but the whole idea seems fraught with peril, and would probably cause more harm than good on the boards. Not to mention things like "does the card get removed from the HOF is a member sells it", etc.