MADISON BUMGARNER CALLED UP TO THE BIGS!

[Wes]

I was at the game.

As far as Bumgarner, his fastball wasn't anything special as others have said, but I don't think that is cause for concern. He's extremely young, and there is precedent for young pitchers to increase velocity as they become more adapted to the major leagues and professional baseball. See Jon Lester, who was throwing in the high 80's low 90's when he first came up and is now sitting in the mid 90's.

As far as his changeup, it's awful. In the very first inning I started guessing with 100% accuracy when he was throwing it. From his delivery it couldn't be more obvious, he slows down his whole back side and shoulder to a ridiculous degree. It didn't help that Molina was calling it with the frequecy as if it was the Lincecum changeup.

His command was excellent and he deserved a win. For a MLB debut, its an easy B+ or A-. Especially given the late notice etc.

 

[darocker80]

I was at the game.

As far as Bumgarner, his fastball wasn't anything special as others have said, but I don't think that is cause for concern. He's extremely young, and there is precedent for young pitchers to increase velocity as they become more adapted to the major leagues and professional baseball. See Jon Lester, who was throwing in the high 80's low 90's when he first came up and is now sitting in the mid 90's.

As far as his changeup, it's awful. In the very first inning I started guessing with 100% accuracy when he was throwing it. From his delivery it couldn't be more obvious, he slows down his whole back side and shoulder to a ridiculous degree. It didn't help that Molina was calling it with the frequecy as if it was the Lincecum changeup.

His command was excellent and he deserved a win. For a MLB debut, its an easy B+ or A-. Especially given the late notice etc.

The velocity isn't a concern for me. This season he was hitting 95-96 throughout each start. Its at the end of the season, and with the nerves and late notice, i think it effected his overall performance. Next year when he is our 5th starter i believe you'll see that dominating fastball we are accustomed to seeing/hearing.
(Bumgarner fastball > holland fastball. I have seen him in SJ and videos of him in AA)

 

[jondawg04]

I was at the game.

As far as Bumgarner, his fastball wasn't anything special as others have said, but I don't think that is cause for concern. He's extremely young, and there is precedent for young pitchers to increase velocity as they become more adapted to the major leagues and professional baseball. See Jon Lester, who was throwing in the high 80's low 90's when he first came up and is now sitting in the mid 90's.

As far as his changeup, it's awful. In the very first inning I started guessing with 100% accuracy when he was throwing it. From his delivery it couldn't be more obvious, he slows down his whole back side and shoulder to a ridiculous degree. It didn't help that Molina was calling it with the frequecy as if it was the Lincecum changeup.

His command was excellent and he deserved a win. For a MLB debut, its an easy B+ or A-. Especially given the late notice etc.

The velocity isn't a concern for me. This season he was hitting 95-96 throughout each start. Its at the end of the season, and with the nerves and late notice, i think it effected his overall performance. Next year when he is our 5th starter i believe you'll see that dominating fastball we are accustomed to seeing/hearing.
(Bumgarner fastball > holland fastball. I have seen him in SJ and videos of him in AA)

Just had to address that Bumgarner fastball > Holland fastball comment. That is just a complete homer statement right there. Holland throws 94 consistently, with the ability to dial it up to 97. Until Bumgarner can do so with regularity (and consistent radar guns), I'd say Holland has the edge. Not saying Bumgarner won't end up with the quicker fastball, but I do believe Holland will end up being a better pitcher in the long run.

 

[Wes]

I was at the game.

As far as Bumgarner, his fastball wasn't anything special as others have said, but I don't think that is cause for concern. He's extremely young, and there is precedent for young pitchers to increase velocity as they become more adapted to the major leagues and professional baseball. See Jon Lester, who was throwing in the high 80's low 90's when he first came up and is now sitting in the mid 90's.

As far as his changeup, it's awful. In the very first inning I started guessing with 100% accuracy when he was throwing it. From his delivery it couldn't be more obvious, he slows down his whole back side and shoulder to a ridiculous degree. It didn't help that Molina was calling it with the frequecy as if it was the Lincecum changeup.

His command was excellent and he deserved a win. For a MLB debut, its an easy B+ or A-. Especially given the late notice etc.

The velocity isn't a concern for me. This season he was hitting 95-96 throughout each start. Its at the end of the season, and with the nerves and late notice, i think it effected his overall performance. Next year when he is our 5th starter i believe you'll see that dominating fastball we are accustomed to seeing/hearing.
(Bumgarner fastball > holland fastball. I have seen him in SJ and videos of him in AA)

Just had to address that Bumgarner fastball > Holland fastball comment. That is just a complete homer statement right there. Holland throws 94 consistently, with the ability to dial it up to 97. Until Bumgarner can do so with regularity (and consistent radar guns), I'd say Holland has the edge. Not saying Bumgarner won't end up with the quicker fastball, but I do believe Holland will end up being a better pitcher in the long run.

Agree, while Bumgarner might have the tools to get into that range with regularity sometime in the future, there's no way you can even compare the two at this point.

 

[andyduke86]

I was at the game.

As far as Bumgarner, his fastball wasn't anything special as others have said, but I don't think that is cause for concern. He's extremely young, and there is precedent for young pitchers to increase velocity as they become more adapted to the major leagues and professional baseball. See Jon Lester, who was throwing in the high 80's low 90's when he first came up and is now sitting in the mid 90's.

As far as his changeup, it's awful. In the very first inning I started guessing with 100% accuracy when he was throwing it. From his delivery it couldn't be more obvious, he slows down his whole back side and shoulder to a ridiculous degree. It didn't help that Molina was calling it with the frequecy as if it was the Lincecum changeup.

His command was excellent and he deserved a win. For a MLB debut, its an easy B+ or A-. Especially given the late notice etc.

The velocity isn't a concern for me. This season he was hitting 95-96 throughout each start. Its at the end of the season, and with the nerves and late notice, i think it effected his overall performance. Next year when he is our 5th starter i believe you'll see that dominating fastball we are accustomed to seeing/hearing.
(Bumgarner fastball > holland fastball. I have seen him in SJ and videos of him in AA)

That is simply not true. He's been 88-92 all year and hasn't been reaching the mid 90s since early last year and when he was an amateur.

 

[jbone17]

I was at the game.

As far as Bumgarner, his fastball wasn't anything special as others have said, but I don't think that is cause for concern. He's extremely young, and there is precedent for young pitchers to increase velocity as they become more adapted to the major leagues and professional baseball. See Jon Lester, who was throwing in the high 80's low 90's when he first came up and is now sitting in the mid 90's.

As far as his changeup, it's awful. In the very first inning I started guessing with 100% accuracy when he was throwing it. From his delivery it couldn't be more obvious, he slows down his whole back side and shoulder to a ridiculous degree. It didn't help that Molina was calling it with the frequecy as if it was the Lincecum changeup.

His command was excellent and he deserved a win. For a MLB debut, its an easy B+ or A-. Especially given the late notice etc.

The velocity isn't a concern for me. This season he was hitting 95-96 throughout each start. Its at the end of the season, and with the nerves and late notice, i think it effected his overall performance. Next year when he is our 5th starter i believe you'll see that dominating fastball we are accustomed to seeing/hearing.
(Bumgarner fastball > holland fastball. I have seen him in SJ and videos of him in AA)

That is simply not true. He's been 88-92 all year and hasn't been reaching the mid 90s since early last year and when he was an amateur.

No sir. I watched him last year with the GreenJackets when they came into Lakewood and he was hitting 93 consistently with his highest fastball topping out at 96. This kid can throw some smoke, but it was his first MLB start. This kid was not supposed to touch the majors this year and he will make that fastball look even better once he starts to mature and develop.

 

[aw00d05]

I was at the game.

As far as Bumgarner, his fastball wasn't anything special as others have said, but I don't think that is cause for concern. He's extremely young, and there is precedent for young pitchers to increase velocity as they become more adapted to the major leagues and professional baseball. See Jon Lester, who was throwing in the high 80's low 90's when he first came up and is now sitting in the mid 90's.

As far as his changeup, it's awful. In the very first inning I started guessing with 100% accuracy when he was throwing it. From his delivery it couldn't be more obvious, he slows down his whole back side and shoulder to a ridiculous degree. It didn't help that Molina was calling it with the frequecy as if it was the Lincecum changeup.

His command was excellent and he deserved a win. For a MLB debut, its an easy B+ or A-. Especially given the late notice etc.

The velocity isn't a concern for me. This season he was hitting 95-96 throughout each start. Its at the end of the season, and with the nerves and late notice, i think it effected his overall performance. Next year when he is our 5th starter i believe you'll see that dominating fastball we are accustomed to seeing/hearing.
(Bumgarner fastball > holland fastball. I have seen him in SJ and videos of him in AA)

That is simply not true. He's been 88-92 all year and hasn't been reaching the mid 90s since early last year and when he was an amateur.

No sir. I watched him last year with the GreenJackets when they came into Lakewood and he was hitting 93 consistently with his highest fastball topping out at 96. This kid can throw some smoke, but it was his first MLB start. This kid was not supposed to touch the majors this year and he will make that fastball look even better once he starts to mature and develop.

Sure those guns weren't juiced up a bit? Scouts have been saying he's 89-92 all year hitting 94-95 occasionally.

 

[darkman]

I was at the game.

As far as Bumgarner, his fastball wasn't anything special as others have said, but I don't think that is cause for concern. He's extremely young, and there is precedent for young pitchers to increase velocity as they become more adapted to the major leagues and professional baseball. See Jon Lester, who was throwing in the high 80's low 90's when he first came up and is now sitting in the mid 90's.

As far as his changeup, it's awful. In the very first inning I started guessing with 100% accuracy when he was throwing it. From his delivery it couldn't be more obvious, he slows down his whole back side and shoulder to a ridiculous degree. It didn't help that Molina was calling it with the frequecy as if it was the Lincecum changeup.

His command was excellent and he deserved a win. For a MLB debut, its an easy B+ or A-. Especially given the late notice etc.

The velocity isn't a concern for me. This season he was hitting 95-96 throughout each start. Its at the end of the season, and with the nerves and late notice, i think it effected his overall performance. Next year when he is our 5th starter i believe you'll see that dominating fastball we are accustomed to seeing/hearing.
(Bumgarner fastball > holland fastball. I have seen him in SJ and videos of him in AA)

Just had to address that Bumgarner fastball > Holland fastball comment. That is just a complete homer statement right there. Holland throws 94 consistently, with the ability to dial it up to 97. Until Bumgarner can do so with regularity (and consistent radar guns), I'd say Holland has the edge. Not saying Bumgarner won't end up with the quicker fastball, but I do believe Holland will end up being a better pitcher in the long run.

Plus 1. Holland`s fastball is insane.. I have heard from a number of people that he has sat in the 88-92 range this year.. The comment from the guy at the game about his changeup is interesting... I`m willing to bet that most of the issues are mechanical though..

 

[All The Hype]

I was at the game.

As far as Bumgarner, his fastball wasn't anything special as others have said, but I don't think that is cause for concern. He's extremely young, and there is precedent for young pitchers to increase velocity as they become more adapted to the major leagues and professional baseball. See Jon Lester, who was throwing in the high 80's low 90's when he first came up and is now sitting in the mid 90's.

As far as his changeup, it's awful. In the very first inning I started guessing with 100% accuracy when he was throwing it. From his delivery it couldn't be more obvious, he slows down his whole back side and shoulder to a ridiculous degree. It didn't help that Molina was calling it with the frequecy as if it was the Lincecum changeup.

His command was excellent and he deserved a win. For a MLB debut, its an easy B+ or A-. Especially given the late notice etc.

The velocity isn't a concern for me. This season he was hitting 95-96 throughout each start. Its at the end of the season, and with the nerves and late notice, i think it effected his overall performance. Next year when he is our 5th starter i believe you'll see that dominating fastball we are accustomed to seeing/hearing.
(Bumgarner fastball > holland fastball. I have seen him in SJ and videos of him in AA)

That is simply not true. He's been 88-92 all year and hasn't been reaching the mid 90s since early last year and when he was an amateur.

No sir. I watched him last year with the GreenJackets when they came into Lakewood and he was hitting 93 consistently with his highest fastball topping out at 96. This kid can throw some smoke, but it was his first MLB start. This kid was not supposed to touch the majors this year and he will make that fastball look even better once he starts to mature and develop.

Sure those guns weren't juiced up a bit? Scouts have been saying he's 89-92 all year hitting 94-95 occasionally.

Yeah I'm sorry but I have to agree here...I don't know how anyone that doesn't go to at least half the games Bumgarner pitched this year can make a comment like "he was hitting 95-96 throughout each start". Where in the world do you get that from if you're not personally at each game he pitched?

 

[andyduke86]

I was at the game.

As far as Bumgarner, his fastball wasn't anything special as others have said, but I don't think that is cause for concern. He's extremely young, and there is precedent for young pitchers to increase velocity as they become more adapted to the major leagues and professional baseball. See Jon Lester, who was throwing in the high 80's low 90's when he first came up and is now sitting in the mid 90's.

As far as his changeup, it's awful. In the very first inning I started guessing with 100% accuracy when he was throwing it. From his delivery it couldn't be more obvious, he slows down his whole back side and shoulder to a ridiculous degree. It didn't help that Molina was calling it with the frequecy as if it was the Lincecum changeup.

His command was excellent and he deserved a win. For a MLB debut, its an easy B+ or A-. Especially given the late notice etc.

The velocity isn't a concern for me. This season he was hitting 95-96 throughout each start. Its at the end of the season, and with the nerves and late notice, i think it effected his overall performance. Next year when he is our 5th starter i believe you'll see that dominating fastball we are accustomed to seeing/hearing.
(Bumgarner fastball > holland fastball. I have seen him in SJ and videos of him in AA)

That is simply not true. He's been 88-92 all year and hasn't been reaching the mid 90s since early last year and when he was an amateur.

No sir. I watched him last year with the GreenJackets when they came into Lakewood and he was hitting 93 consistently with his highest fastball topping out at 96. This kid can throw some smoke, but it was his first MLB start. This kid was not supposed to touch the majors this year and he will make that fastball look even better once he starts to mature and develop.

Those guns were probably juiced, he was 92 when I saw him last year. And still, you are simply making my point since I said he threw harder last year. He's been 88-92 all years in 2009.

Baseball America always reports slightly inflated velocity in their writings. They report the highest velocities a player has ever thrown typically, not necessarily what he actually works at on most nights.

 

[darkman]

You know.. to be fair, you have to give him credit for being successful with his velocity down this year

 

[AKT74]

I saw him hit 109 once. Now please go to Ebay and buy my Gold Auto of Bum. LOL

 

[ballerskrip]

I was not overly impressed. There is a lot of talk here about his fastball. Truthfully, it was disapointing.

Please don't give me the 1st start excuse for his velocity being down. Most pitchers are AMPED UP for there first start and throw even harder than normal due to the adrenaline.

Last night definitely showed me that david price has much better stuff than madbum... AT THIS POINT! Obviously things can change quickly.

Skrip

 

[Jaypers]

I was not overly impressed. There is a lot of talk here about his fastball. Truthfully, it was disapointing.

Please don't give me the 1st start excuse for his velocity being down. Most pitchers are AMPED UP for there first start and throw even harder than normal due to the adrenaline.

Last night definitely showed me that david price has much better stuff than madbum... AT THIS POINT! Obviously things can change quickly.

Skrip

I would venture to guess that his velocity has been down just about all year, hence his lower amount of K's.

 

[Jaypers]

Tony (Clifton, NJ)


Where did ya boy Madison Bumgarner's velo go? He's been at the very least touted as a 90-95 guy but often said to be a 92-95 guy who often touched 97 last year. Last night he was 87-89 touching 90 all night. That's more than fatigue/mechanics... right?

Jim Callis (2:11 PM)


His velo has been down this year. As Rob Neyer suggested in his blog this morning, that could be because the Giants have emphasized the development of his secondary pitches this year, at the expense of his fastball. I don't think he's hurt.

 

[aw00d05]

I was not overly impressed. There is a lot of talk here about his fastball. Truthfully, it was disapointing.

Please don't give me the 1st start excuse for his velocity being down. Most pitchers are AMPED UP for there first start and throw even harder than normal due to the adrenaline.

Last night definitely showed me that david price has much better stuff than madbum... AT THIS POINT! Obviously things can change quickly.

Skrip

Very good point, in Feliz's first outing this year he didn't go under 98 and was at 100 like 5/25 pitches and 101 2-3 times.

 

[xcantgobackx]

Any idea if he's going to make another start yet or if he is going back down? Going to the pen?

 

[aminors]

Any idea if he's going to make another start yet or if he is going back down? Going to the pen?

I am also curious of this. Anyone?

Anthony

 

[JacobAlastra]

I believe they were already going to call him up for long relief/ special situations, but with the injury they decided to give him the start. I think he will stay in the bullpen, but the Giants front office is completely unpredictable

Any idea if he's going to make another start yet or if he is going back down? Going to the pen?

I am also curious of this. Anyone?

Anthony

 

[goblue6919]

I was not overly impressed. There is a lot of talk here about his fastball. Truthfully, it was disapointing.

Please don't give me the 1st start excuse for his velocity being down. Most pitchers are AMPED UP for there first start and throw even harder than normal due to the adrenaline.

Last night definitely showed me that david price has much better stuff than madbum... AT THIS POINT! Obviously things can change quickly.

Skrip

No ****. Price is 4 years older, pitched in college against top notch competition and has almost a season of MLB pitching under his belt. Bumgarner shouldn't even be in the majors right now.

Bumgarner's velocity was definetly down last night. Apparently his velocity has been down since mid July which means he probably has a dead arm. He was told YESTERDAY that he was called up and flew 5 hours to California with a 3 hour time difference then to be told that he was starting 3 and a half hours before the game and that he was replacing Lincecum for that matter. Imagine how nervous he was. A friend told me that Bumgarner said that he never gets nervous and that last night was the most nervous he has ever been and that he was almost vomiting in the locker room.

I would say he did pretty well.

I read that they are sending him to the bullpen after this start ::facepalm:: get him back to AA so he can pitch in the playoffs.