Pictures from ITG's first baseball product

[Bob Loblaw]

What I really want to know is....

Why do you or anyone else care?

This thread was made by ITG to show the upcoming product. It wasn't to ask for checklist help, design help, legal help, or anything else. It was a positive thread to show a positive prospect product, after a negative storm of Topps crap keeps hitting the hobby.

Did you ever think that if they release some press material, MLBPA doesn't see it? Of course they see it and they likely contact any company to get any issues fixed before the product comes out.

Why must everything be about legalities, suits, and trying to shoot down a company? Leave that to the lawyers hired by MLB/MILB and enjoy the damn hobby!

Because it's my money, Adam. I'm not offering any help to them. But if I buy this product, I want to know that it's not going to be recalled or that there will be future products. One and done aren't really well received in this hobby. See 2008 Razor...

Everyone was on your side and against me when Razor debuted. Everyone came on over shortly after release. I am hoping that doesn't happen again. I'm hoping there are no "sides". I just want to see how things shake out.

ITG has been around for a while, they are different than Razor. That is not a winning argument.

"They know what they're doing", right?

I'm not saying anything about suits. I just want to know if they have licensing, since they're displaying minor league logos, and the info I've heard indicates that they're including major league team names and cities on the back of the card. I'd like to know whether or not there is licencing before I plunk down money on a lemon.

Success in one sport does not necessarily indicate that there will be success across the board.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

What I really want to know is....

Why do you or anyone else care?

This thread was made by ITG to show the upcoming product. It wasn't to ask for checklist help, design help, legal help, or anything else. It was a positive thread to show a positive prospect product, after a negative storm of Topps crap keeps hitting the hobby.

Did you ever think that if they release some press material, MLBPA doesn't see it? Of course they see it and they likely contact any company to get any issues fixed before the product comes out.

Why must everything be about legalities, suits, and trying to shoot down a company? Leave that to the lawyers hired by MLB/MILB and enjoy the damn hobby!

Because it's my money, Adam. I'm not offering any help to them. But if I buy this product, I want to know that it's not going to be recalled or that there will be future products. One and done aren't really well received in this hobby. See 2008 Razor...

Everyone was on your side and against me when Razor debuted. Everyone came on over shortly after release. I am hoping that doesn't happen again. I'm hoping there are no "sides". I just want to see how things shake out.

Please tell me the last time a product was "recalled". This isn't a lead filled toy from overseas. These are baseball cards.

If you don't like it, then don't buy it. Pretty simple concept.

You didn't like Razor and you didn't buy any. So, you learned what to do in these situations. Maybe wait until it's out and no lighting bolts come from MLBPA....and then buy.

Just some rational thinking...

Major League Baseball Properties sued, requesting the Court to recall 2010 Upper Deck products. Had the case gone to trial, they likely would have. It's certainly a possibility, Adam.

And if I wait until it's out and no lightning bolts come down from the sky, I lose out on pre-sale prices. I'm asking questions about a new product. God forfrickingbid that I try to make a rationale investment decision based on facts. These are the same types of questions I asked about Razor. This is a message board. For good or for bad, ITG has come here to try to pimp it's product and drive up sales. If they come here for free adversiting, they should be willing to answer questions.... right Brian?

 

[RL24]

Did you ever think that if they release some press material, MLBPA doesn't see it? Of course they see it and they likely contact any company to get any issues fixed before the product comes out.

Actually they didn't mention anything to Donruss about 2008 Prime Cuts, just waited for them to released it and then filed a lawsuit. Same with 2010 UD as Jeff mentioned. If I'm not mistaken, Donruss was ordered to recall and/or destroy any remaining product, maybe just the latter.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Did you ever think that if they release some press material, MLBPA doesn't see it? Of course they see it and they likely contact any company to get any issues fixed before the product comes out.

Actually they didn't mention anything to Donruss about 2008 Prime Cuts, just waited for them to released it and then filed a lawsuit. Same with 2010 UD as Jeff mentioned. If I'm not mistaken, Donruss was ordered to recall and/or destroy any remaining product, maybe just the latter.

Both were settlements, so neither was ordered to do anything. I didn't research the 2008 Donruss decision.

ITG looks like it's going to put out BEAUTIFUL cards, IF these ARE the cards. I'm concerned about a bait and switch - I don't want cards of guys without hats/uniforms/logos, and I don't want to pre-buy a product based on these photoshopped mockups only to see that they changed the product... THAT'S my concern, and THAT should be the concern of anyone who has an inkling of a desire to pre-buy this.

 

[Bill Menard]

Thanks for sharing the pics! The cards do look nice. I too would like to hear the price point. I gotta imagine if it's 5 hits per box, WITHOUT licensing the price has got to be somewhere around $5/card or say $25-40/pack? The licensing fees aren't there to push it way high, and GU prospect stuff is substantially less money to come by than star MLB players, but still, autos and GU costs far more money to put out than base cards.

Jeff N tangent - seriously, you've gotta be one of the most annoying guys on the site! I don't even understand why you stay here. All you seem to want to do is argue with people. I'll take it that's the lawyer in you, but it doesn't make it any less annoying to the rest of us. All you seem to want to do is a get rise out of people.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

At the time of the Donruss settlement, they'd already sold all of their cards to distributors and sold their assets (their name, goodwill, etc) to Panini. The only thing that MLB got out of the Donruss settlement was that the owner couldn't ever do anything with baseball cards again. It was nothing more than a shell companyat that time.

 

[mstng99tim]

[quote="Jeff N.":1plm13if]

What I really want to know is....

Why do you or anyone else care?

This thread was made by ITG to show the upcoming product. It wasn't to ask for checklist help, design help, legal help, or anything else. It was a positive thread to show a positive prospect product, after a negative storm of Topps crap keeps hitting the hobby.

Did you ever think that if they release some press material, MLBPA doesn't see it? Of course they see it and they likely contact any company to get any issues fixed before the product comes out.

Why must everything be about legalities, suits, and trying to shoot down a company? Leave that to the lawyers hired by MLB/MILB and enjoy the damn hobby!

Because it's my money, Adam. I'm not offering any help to them. But if I buy this product, I want to know that it's not going to be recalled or that there will be future products. One and done aren't really well received in this hobby. See 2008 Razor...

Everyone was on your side and against me when Razor debuted. Everyone came on over shortly after release. I am hoping that doesn't happen again. I'm hoping there are no "sides". I just want to see how things shake out.

ITG has been around for a while, they are different than Razor. That is not a winning argument.

"They know what they're doing", right?

I'm not saying anything about suits. I just want to know if they have licensing, since they're displaying minor league logos, and the info I've heard indicates that they're including major league team names and cities on the back of the card. I'd like to know whether or not there is licencing before I plunk down money on a lemon.

Success in one sport does not necessarily indicate that there will be success across the board.[/quote:1plm13if]
You already asked that question when they first came to FCB and they answered your question.

For clarification, you do not have an MLB, MiLB, or NCAA license, correct?

No, none of that

We will be giving it a go without one. We understand that simply isn't what some people want. However we can only go with what is possible, and will do the best job with what we do have.

 

[Leaf]

[quote="Jeff N.":3pxl2a15]

What I really want to know is....

Why do you or anyone else care?

This thread was made by ITG to show the upcoming product. It wasn't to ask for checklist help, design help, legal help, or anything else. It was a positive thread to show a positive prospect product, after a negative storm of Topps crap keeps hitting the hobby.

Did you ever think that if they release some press material, MLBPA doesn't see it? Of course they see it and they likely contact any company to get any issues fixed before the product comes out.

Why must everything be about legalities, suits, and trying to shoot down a company? Leave that to the lawyers hired by MLB/MILB and enjoy the damn hobby!

Because it's my money, Adam. I'm not offering any help to them. But if I buy this product, I want to know that it's not going to be recalled or that there will be future products. One and done aren't really well received in this hobby. See 2008 Razor...

Everyone was on your side and against me when Razor debuted. Everyone came on over shortly after release. I am hoping that doesn't happen again. I'm hoping there are no "sides". I just want to see how things shake out.

Please tell me the last time a product was "recalled". This isn't a lead filled toy from overseas. These are baseball cards.

If you don't like it, then don't buy it. Pretty simple concept.

You didn't like Razor and you didn't buy any. So, you learned what to do in these situations. Maybe wait until it's out and no lighting bolts come from MLBPA....and then buy.

Just some rational thinking...

Major League Baseball Properties sued, requesting the Court to recall 2010 Upper Deck products. Had the case gone to trial, they likely would have. It's certainly a possibility, Adam.

And if I wait until it's out and no lightning bolts come down from the sky, I lose out on pre-sale prices. I'm asking questions about a new product. God forfrickingbid that I try to make a rationale investment decision based on facts. These are the same types of questions I asked about Razor. This is a message board. For good or for bad, ITG has come here to try to pimp it's product and drive up sales. If they come here for free adversiting, they should be willing to answer questions.... right Brian?[/quote:3pxl2a15]

Not to hijack this thread, I have started a new thread on this important topic.
BG

 

[matfanofold]

Heres the thing....

As far as I know, this thread was just to provide a glimpse of a up and coming product. Has there even been a distribution date set yet? A checklist? Is there even anything more than mock ups yet? I really dont know, but questioning the validity of the product at this point seems a bit premature. Eventually, everyone will know the answers to these questions and can choose to buy or pass accordingly. When IGT is ready to provide this information, they will.

Knowing or not knowing the specifics makes no difference now, at least not enough to make fuss over. If and when the pre-buy light goes on and there is still any doubt, let the questions fly but demanding the answers right now as if it makes any difference RIGHT NOW is silly..

 

[matfanofold]

"They know what they're doing", right?

I'm not saying anything about suits. I just want to know if they have licensing, since they're displaying minor league logos, and the info I've heard indicates that they're including major league team names and cities on the back of the card. I'd like to know whether or not there is licencing before I plunk down money on a lemon.

Success in one sport does not necessarily indicate that there will be success across the board.

You already asked that question when they first came to FCB and they answered your question.

For clarification, you do not have an MLB, MiLB, or NCAA license, correct?

No, none of that

We will be giving it a go without one. We understand that simply isn't what some people want. However we can only go with what is possible, and will do the best job with what we do have.

Just incase this was missed...

 

[RandomH]

Are there going to be any players in the set that have yet to have a card issued?

 

[Sweetness]

Wait... I see a pattern. Jeff N. is playing the role of drama queen in a thread started by a card company. Who could have guessed it?

 

[G $MONEY$]

I just spent 10 minutes going through ITG's hockey stuff on eBay. I would assume they have some sort of minor league hockey license. However, I didn't see any NHL player with a NHL full jersey or logo on the card.

Yes, ITG is fully licensed by the CHL (Canadian Hockey league) and can use team nicknames and logos from the WHL, OHL and QMJHL. The CHL is the junior league that the NHL drafts most of their players from.

 

[ITGBaseball]

Are there going to be any players in the set that have yet to have a card issued?

I can't throw too many names out yet.

Adrian Salcedo
Chris Archer (autographs)


As far as licencing goes, this is something that we will only discuss in house. It's my opinion that a collectors message board should be about collectibles and not the legal matters of a company. Plus we have seen in past debates with other companies that the banter on here can get quite hectic. We would rather avoid that.

I do appreciate the passion that you guys show in debates, that is something this hobby needs much more of.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Are there going to be any players in the set that have yet to have a card issued?

I can't throw too many names out yet.

Adrian Salcedo
Chris Archer (autographs)


As far as licencing goes, this is something that we will only discuss in house. It's my opinion that a collectors message board should be about collectibles and not the legal matters of a company. Plus we have seen in past debates with other companies that the banter on here can get quite hectic. We would rather avoid that.

I do appreciate the passion that you guys show in debates, that is something this hobby needs much more of.

Excellent response! Keep up the good work and us baseball fans will support your products. Just please don't do a one-and-done like Razor.

 

[NECpilgrims8]

[quote="Jeff N.":4nuh3xbw]I just spent 10 minutes going through ITG's hockey stuff on eBay. I would assume they have some sort of minor league hockey license. However, I didn't see any NHL player with a NHL full jersey or logo on the card.

Yes, ITG is fully licensed by the CHL (Canadian Hockey league) and can use team nicknames and logos from the WHL, OHL and QMJHL. The CHL is the junior league that the NHL drafts most of their players from.[/quote:4nuh3xbw]

OWNED

 

[mredsox89]

Are there going to be any players in the set that have yet to have a card issued?

I can't throw too many names out yet.

Adrian Salcedo
Chris Archer (autographs)


As far as licencing goes, this is something that we will only discuss in house. It's my opinion that a collectors message board should be about collectibles and not the legal matters of a company. Plus we have seen in past debates with other companies that the banter on here can get quite hectic. We would rather avoid that.

I do appreciate the passion that you guys show in debates, that is something this hobby needs much more of.

While that is a fine POV, you have to understand that a lot of people won't go into a new product or line unless they have a better idea of what their investment entails. You can talk all you want about how the hobby should be such and such, but it is an investment for a lot of people.

You can't expect people with big pockets to blindly throw $ into a product when we've seen in just the past few years the issues with licensing from one of the major companies as well
as a company who had success in other aspects of the hobby and attempted to get into baseball

 

[matfanofold]

Are there going to be any players in the set that have yet to have a card issued?

I can't throw too many names out yet.

Adrian Salcedo
Chris Archer (autographs)


As far as licencing goes, this is something that we will only discuss in house. It's my opinion that a collectors message board should be about collectibles and not the legal matters of a company. Plus we have seen in past debates with other companies that the banter on here can get quite hectic. We would rather avoid that.

I do appreciate the passion that you guys show in debates, that is something this hobby needs much more of.

While that is a fine POV, you have to understand that a lot of people won't go into a new product or line unless they have a better idea of what their investment entails. You can talk all you want about how the hobby should be such and such, but it is an investment for a lot of people.

You can't expect people with big pockets to blindly throw $ into a product when we've seen in just the past few years the issues with licensing from one of the major companies as well
as a company who had success in other aspects of the hobby and attempted to get into baseball

I just do not know whats so hard to understand!

For clarification, you do not have an MLB, MiLB, or NCAA license, correct?

No, none of that

We will be giving it a go without one. We understand that simply isn't what some people want. However we can only go with what is possible, and will do the best job with what we do have.

There is going to be no licensing, period. What more does ITG need to say/discuss? How are we now going blindly in to this product? Because they wont come on here and argue it with everyone?

 

[uniquebaseballcards]

This is our chase element

A patch autograph card /25

Wow, with cards THIS nice these are sure to fly off the shelves!

 

[TBTwinsFan]

This is our chase element

A patch autograph card /25

Wow, with cards THIS nice these are sure to fly off the shelves!

Yeah those are nasty!

I think ITG is hitting it out on this, if it is cheap enough, I will bust a couple boxes