razor metal base have hit ebay

[Wes]

My question is... will these base cards retain their value after the parallels and such come out... even if few are destroyed of that card

Understand that the two parallels are limited to 50 and 25.

Do Bowman Chrome singles still have value due to the existence of Gold and Orange Refractors?

Basically, we are talking about a limited number of parallels that shouldn't "flood the market", and therefore not affecting the price.

To play devil's advocate - how many Bowman Chrome singles sell for $7.99 shipped?

 

[bballcardkid]

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I have to thoroughly disagree... the razor cut auto almost doubled the heritage one because it simply looks better, had more hype, and is a better cut even.

You disagree???

Seriously, if I pulled a Tyler autograph from one pack Razor Presidential Sig product, I'd have lost my shirt.

If I pulled a Tyler autograph from one case of American Heritage, let alone one pack, I'd have broken even before selling all the other stuff. Now, if I pulled it from one pack, I'd be up over $550.

End of discussion.

Seriously, there is no discussion here. It's a ludicrous coversation even.[/quote]



So you expect that the sells of both cuts should be different? Say you pull a Babe Ruth cut from Exquisite Collection, do you expect it to sell for $100,000 because the pack cost $100 just so that you can have the same ROI from pulling a Ruth cut from SP Legendary Cuts which sells for $10,000 from a $10 pack? Where the **** is the logic in that? A cut is a cut, who cares what the cost of the pack is. You shouldn't be bashing Razor for pocketing several hundreds of thousands of dollars, you should be ripping the retards who actualy expected to get there money back. It is quite obvious that you would have to pull a very popular president such as Lincoln or Washington to have any chance at making money on this product, just like if you buy a box of UD Premier and pull nothing but Cole Hamels jerseys and Scott Kazmir autos, you will lose your ****. Geesh, the absolute ignorance in the world today drives me insane.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

So would Alvarez, Beckham, Alonso, Hicks, and Smoak all be good pickups here for these cards?

Those obviously are some of the "big names" who will all sell much more than the rest I would imagine, but they also have the most prospect status...and some think "potential."

That said, buy who you want...I currently haven't purchased a single one of these. Not to imply I won't and not to imply I will, it's just at this moment, consider me "undecided."

 

[Zambrano38]

It comes to a point when stupidity or simply to pester become the only reasons for asking the same questions over and over or making the same coments over and over.

I guess people just need to decide if they are stupid or annoying...some are both.

So people who don't agree with you are stupid and shouldn't post what they think. May I see your badge Razor police?

Razor police?

 

[mredsox89]

My question is... will these base cards retain their value after the parallels and such come out... even if few are destroyed of that card

Understand that the two parallels are limited to 50 and 25.

Do Bowman Chrome singles still have value due to the existence of Gold and Orange Refractors?

Basically, we are talking about a limited number of parallels that shouldn't "flood the market", and therefore not affecting the price.

To play devil's advocate - how many Bowman Chrome singles sell for $7.99 shipped?

But aren't there more than 1000 bowman chrome singles packed out? I compare these to bowman draft refractors but maybe my numbers with base refractors are way off

 

[matchpenalty]

Im sure if Ebay had a proper search function I could. However, your statement leads to the homerism effect this site has for Razor. To be honest, I have nothing against them and I think their product looks nice. However, the situation of the mods and admins on this site constantly giving them a reach around effect dosent help them out at all. Trying to stiffel people from pointing out flaws will not help them out. The simple fact remains that most people have not heard of Razor. I only heard of them because of poker cards and thus led to me learning about baseball cards. However, I did not learn this from their website. I was one of the people who stumbled onto their site and was not given hardly any information as to what they are about. I learned from this specific site and no where else on the internet. Their sales in my opinion and to most of the people who have seen the sales of the Oval Office, are falling short of expected pricing. In my opinion the sites admins/mods/complete razor followers, are doing a disservice to Razor by constantly telling them they are doing everything right and nothing is wrong.

You are reading much too far into my statement. I was asking for examples simply for the reason that I believe it is far too easy to say "sales have been dissapointing" and not qualify why or give examples of dissapointing sales. If it is a fair statement then fine but saying it without evidence is just making an assumption. To go even further, calling me a homer for asking for evidence is worse. I've been very critical of Razor's recent moves with Chrome cards as have many other mods, so don't overblow the homerism thing.

By the way, here's an example I found.

[ebay:do82ubtc]290295823437[/ebay:do82ubtc] - Tyler Razor - $1,010
[ebay:do82ubtc]110353026199[/ebay:do82ubtc] - Tyler Topps - $565

Now maybe there are examples of bad sales out there, I just would like to see them.

WOW!

You are a "pricing guru?"

If you were, then you'd know that the President Tyler cut from Razor came from a pack that has an SRP of probably 75-100 times that of the same cut from Topps.

To compare an autograph from a product that has an SRP of what $2k or something to a pack that has an SRP of $2.99 just proves the original poster's point.

Please, how many packs of heritage will you have to buy to get that kind of cut? That is how you have to compare them, not just saying one is a cheaper back so its always a better value.

I mean a cut auto is a cut auto is it not? To me it is the presentation that matters most, not the brand.

Agree, a lot depends on how the card looks and the quality of the cut itself. Also, factor in the odds of pulling a cut from some 2.99 pack. You could easily spend way more on that stuff to pull a cut as compared to oval office pack price.

 

[200lbhockeyplayer]

To play devil's advocate - how many Bowman Chrome singles sell for $7.99 shipped?

Not really devil's advocate because it's not really an equal situation. Every single one of these Razor singles has a starting "cash value" of $5/each, not one single Bowman Chrome has ever started out this way.

The way I look at these is that if you buy them, to you it's a $5 card...without any thought given to Bowman Chrome.

In 6 months, I do believe that with even the "dogs" in this release sellers will still probably be looking for $5 per.

 

[Wes]

My question is... will these base cards retain their value after the parallels and such come out... even if few are destroyed of that card

Understand that the two parallels are limited to 50 and 25.

Do Bowman Chrome singles still have value due to the existence of Gold and Orange Refractors?

Basically, we are talking about a limited number of parallels that shouldn't "flood the market", and therefore not affecting the price.

To play devil's advocate - how many Bowman Chrome singles sell for $7.99 shipped?

But aren't there more than 1000 bowman chrome singles packed out? I compare these to bowman draft refractors but maybe my numbers with base refractors are way off

The refractor argument isn't bad but I still don't think it's going to be easy for people to prospect something that was readily available for $7.99 shipped on ebay. Nobody is going to want to pay more than that in the immediate future on the secondary market.

 

[mredsox89]

My question is... will these base cards retain their value after the parallels and such come out... even if few are destroyed of that card

Understand that the two parallels are limited to 50 and 25.

Do Bowman Chrome singles still have value due to the existence of Gold and Orange Refractors?

Basically, we are talking about a limited number of parallels that shouldn't "flood the market", and therefore not affecting the price.

To play devil's advocate - how many Bowman Chrome singles sell for $7.99 shipped?

But aren't there more than 1000 bowman chrome singles packed out? I compare these to bowman draft refractors but maybe my numbers with base refractors are way off

The refractor argument isn't bad but I still don't think it's going to be easy for people to prospect something that was readily available for $7.99 shipped on ebay. Nobody is going to want to pay more than that in the immediate future on the secondary market.

well its only 7.99 for the first card, free shipping on anything after that. I picked up four different players for 22.99, 5.75 a card. But in terms of future value, i agree that there will not be an immediate price bump. I bought 2 for my PC along with Alvarez and Wieters. I'll be picking up a parallel at each level of my guys as well, and maybe the higher guys if i am online at the right time and the price isn't too steep

 

[19braves77]

I will probably buy some, sprinke some graph crack on them, and get them signed in blue sharpie.

Did the same with the press plates and they look nice.

 

[mredsox89]

I will probably buy some, sprinke some graph crack on them, and get them signed in blue sharpie.

Did the same with the press plates and they look nice.

Have pics? Did u get them signed in person?

 

[19braves77]

Yea IP, I need to scan them.

 

[19braves77]

Actually, its a shame to destroy perfectly good cards for no reason. They could put the unpurchased ones off Ebay into a set form and that would create a whole new market for complete sets.

Any metal card looks good sign.

 

[kruzie3]

Actually, its a shame to destroy perfectly good cards for no reason. They could put the unpurchased ones off Ebay into a set form and that would create a whole new market for complete sets.

Any metal card looks good sign.

Create "Razor Origionals" and get the leftovers autographed

 

[mredsox89]

Actually, its a shame to destroy perfectly good cards for no reason. They could put the unpurchased ones off Ebay into a set form and that would create a whole new market for complete sets.

Any metal card looks good sign.

no, that defeats the whole purpose. Just placing the extra metal cards into packs defeats the purpose of selling them right now. I personally feel they could have created an entire product out of metal.

Autographing the extras would defeat the purpose of the autographs they are coming out with

 

[kruzie3]

Actually, its a shame to destroy perfectly good cards for no reason. They could put the unpurchased ones off Ebay into a set form and that would create a whole new market for complete sets.

Any metal card looks good sign.

no, that defeats the whole purpose. Just placing the extra metal cards into packs defeats the purpose of selling them right now. I personally feel they could have created an entire product out of metal.

Autographing the extras would defeat the purpose of the autographs they are coming out with

You could have them autographed in some different color ink or something unique from the regular autos and # them.. idk lol

 

[mredsox89]

Actually, its a shame to destroy perfectly good cards for no reason. They could put the unpurchased ones off Ebay into a set form and that would create a whole new market for complete sets.

Any metal card looks good sign.

no, that defeats the whole purpose. Just placing the extra metal cards into packs defeats the purpose of selling them right now. I personally feel they could have created an entire product out of metal.

Autographing the extras would defeat the purpose of the autographs they are coming out with

You could have them autographed in some different color ink or something unique from the regular autos and # them.. idk lol

i mean i think some of the value in these base metal cards is the various print runs they will have. The lower the PR, the better long term value

 

[kruzie3]

Actually, its a shame to destroy perfectly good cards for no reason. They could put the unpurchased ones off Ebay into a set form and that would create a whole new market for complete sets.

Any metal card looks good sign.

no, that defeats the whole purpose. Just placing the extra metal cards into packs defeats the purpose of selling them right now. I personally feel they could have created an entire product out of metal.

Autographing the extras would defeat the purpose of the autographs they are coming out with

You could have them autographed in some different color ink or something unique from the regular autos and # them.. idk lol

i mean i think some of the value in these base metal cards is the various print runs they will have. The lower the PR, the better long term value

Yeah, it could.. thats just my meaningless suggestion lol

 

[Wes]

Actually, its a shame to destroy perfectly good cards for no reason. They could put the unpurchased ones off Ebay into a set form and that would create a whole new market for complete sets.

Any metal card looks good sign.

no, that defeats the whole purpose. Just placing the extra metal cards into packs defeats the purpose of selling them right now. I personally feel they could have created an entire product out of metal.

Autographing the extras would defeat the purpose of the autographs they are coming out with

You could have them autographed in some different color ink or something unique from the regular autos and # them.. idk lol

i mean i think some of the value in these base metal cards is the various print runs they will have. The lower the PR, the better long term value

No ---- sherlock

 

[mredsox89]

Actually, its a shame to destroy perfectly good cards for no reason. They could put the unpurchased ones off Ebay into a set form and that would create a whole new market for complete sets.

Any metal card looks good sign.

no, that defeats the whole purpose. Just placing the extra metal cards into packs defeats the purpose of selling them right now. I personally feel they could have created an entire product out of metal.

Autographing the extras would defeat the purpose of the autographs they are coming out with

You could have them autographed in some different color ink or something unique from the regular autos and # them.. idk lol

i mean i think some of the value in these base metal cards is the various print runs they will have. The lower the PR, the better long term value

No ---- sherlock

well i was just pointing out to the above poster why it was better to just destroy them.