Razor Rookie Retro Checklist is live

[Bob Loblaw]

Never thought I'd say this, but I'm curious to get Counselor Jeff's input.

Last time I replied to you in a Razor thread, all hell broke loose.

 

[phillyfan0417]

Excited for this break although I hit that Tebow at the Natty so my luck for the decade is done.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

By the way, everyone who is happy with their Metal/Prismatic bonus card, feel free to thank the ******* who lobbied long and hard about this being a lottery product.

That being said, the way to avoid this from being a lottery product was to produce the checklist of the Metal/Prismatic bonus cards, not the graded cards...

 

[BowmanChromeAddict]

I wasn't in the chat the whole time yesterday, but the most important point that I saw was that the production costs are 80% of wholesale. Because in general we're talking about cards bought at or near market value, versus true production like any new product made by Topps, UD, Panini, the true value of the product is really already determined. If you were able to purchase every pack, you'd lose more than 20% of your money, 1) we don't buy at wholesale 2) factor in that part of his 80% production costs are the packaging which has no value.

Still, all that being said, this is a lottery ticket and if you like to gamble, you've found your product. Yes, I've got two packs in Andrew's break, so I'm in...though its debatable whether that $445 would have been better spent on Black on the Roulette table (credit goes to Lisu for that reference).

 

[Tomlinson21RB]

I wasn't in the chat the whole time yesterday, but the most important point that I saw was that the production costs are 80% of wholesale. Because in general we're talking about cards bought at or near market value, versus true production like any new product made by Topps, UD, Panini, the true value of the product is really already determined. If you were able to purchase every pack, you'd lose more than 20% of your money, 1) we don't buy at wholesale 2) factor in that part of his 80% production costs are the packaging which has no value.

Still, all that being said, this is a lottery ticket and if you like to gamble, you've found your product. Yes, I've got two packs in Andrew's break, so I'm in...though its debatable whether that $445 would have been better spent on Black on the Roulette table (credit goes to Lisu for that reference).

I feel like 80% return is better than any box I've ever opened.

 

[phillyfan0417]

I wasn't in the chat the whole time yesterday, but the most important point that I saw was that the production costs are 80% of wholesale. Because in general we're talking about cards bought at or near market value, versus true production like any new product made by Topps, UD, Panini, the true value of the product is really already determined. If you were able to purchase every pack, you'd lose more than 20% of your money, 1) we don't buy at wholesale 2) factor in that part of his 80% production costs are the packaging which has no value.

Still, all that being said, this is a lottery ticket and if you like to gamble, you've found your product. Yes, I've got two packs in Andrew's break, so I'm in...though its debatable whether that $445 would have been better spent on Black on the Roulette table (credit goes to Lisu for that reference).

Agreed. I have one box and whatever way it works out, I'm ok with the decision since i'm essentially gambling. Some people will be very happy and others will kick themselves.

 

[BowmanChromeAddict]

I wasn't in the chat the whole time yesterday, but the most important point that I saw was that the production costs are 80% of wholesale. Because in general we're talking about cards bought at or near market value, versus true production like any new product made by Topps, UD, Panini, the true value of the product is really already determined. If you were able to purchase every pack, you'd lose more than 20% of your money, 1) we don't buy at wholesale 2) factor in that part of his 80% production costs are the packaging which has no value.

Still, all that being said, this is a lottery ticket and if you like to gamble, you've found your product. Yes, I've got two packs in Andrew's break, so I'm in...though its debatable whether that $445 would have been better spent on Black on the Roulette table (credit goes to Lisu for that reference).

I feel like 80% return is better than any box I've ever opened.

Not 80% return, more like 70%, but that's if you were buying the entire production run. Clearly it was a hypothetical scenario. That being said, I don't think you'd lose 20-30% if you bought an entire production run of Bowman Chrome...a hypothetical that can't be proved out. But I'm comparing Apples to Oranges here, they are completely different beasts.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

I wasn't in the chat the whole time yesterday, but the most important point that I saw was that the production costs are 80% of wholesale. Because in general we're talking about cards bought at or near market value, versus true production like any new product made by Topps, UD, Panini, the true value of the product is really already determined. If you were able to purchase every pack, you'd lose more than 20% of your money, 1) we don't buy at wholesale 2) factor in that part of his 80% production costs are the packaging which has no value.

Still, all that being said, this is a lottery ticket and if you like to gamble, you've found your product. Yes, I've got two packs in Andrew's break, so I'm in...though its debatable whether that $445 would have been better spent on Black on the Roulette table (credit goes to Lisu for that reference).

I feel like 80% return is better than any box I've ever opened.

At the $225 price point, it's probably closer to 60% ROI.

 

[ballerskrip]

You guys are killing me. Of COURSE it is gambling. So is the three boxes of 2007 bowman chrome I bought. I pulled (3) $1 autos. What do you think the ROI on those boxes will be? Much worse than what the ROI will be in this product.

I just don't understand why you guys are stuck on the gambling aspect of this. What do you call opening cases of Exquisite Basketball? How many of those actually hit 70% ROI? 1 in 5? 1in 10?

Get over it. It will be fun to watch and more interesting to watch be opened than any product I remember.

skrip

 

[gogosox40]

You guys are killing me. Of COURSE it is gambling. So is the three boxes of 2007 bowman chrome I bought. I pulled (3) $1 autos. What do you think the ROI on those boxes will be? Much worse than what the ROI will be in this product.

I just don't understand why you guys are stuck on the gambling aspect of this. What do you call opening cases of Exquisite Basketball? How many of those actually hit 70% ROI? 1 in 5? 1in 10?

Get over it. It will be fun to watch and more interesting to watch be opened than any product I remember.

skrip

THIS.... +1

 

[Leaf]

I wasn't in the chat the whole time yesterday, but the most important point that I saw was that the production costs are 80% of wholesale. Because in general we're talking about cards bought at or near market value, versus true production like any new product made by Topps, UD, Panini, the true value of the product is really already determined. If you were able to purchase every pack, you'd lose more than 20% of your money, 1) we don't buy at wholesale 2) factor in that part of his 80% production costs are the packaging which has no value.

Still, all that being said, this is a lottery ticket and if you like to gamble, you've found your product. Yes, I've got two packs in Andrew's break, so I'm in...though its debatable whether that $445 would have been better spent on Black on the Roulette table (credit goes to Lisu for that reference).

I feel like 80% return is better than any box I've ever opened.

Not 80% return, more like 70%, but that's if you were buying the entire production run. Clearly it was a hypothetical scenario. That being said, I don't think you'd lose 20-30% if you bought an entire production run of Bowman Chrome...a hypothetical that can't be proved out. But I'm comparing Apples to Oranges here, they are completely different beasts.

Packaging is 2.5% of production costs... so ROI at factory cost (the price I sold it for) is 77.5%.
If you factor the 10% markup Jeff refers to, the return is 70%+.
BG

 

[Leaf]

I wasn't in the chat the whole time yesterday, but the most important point that I saw was that the production costs are 80% of wholesale. Because in general we're talking about cards bought at or near market value, versus true production like any new product made by Topps, UD, Panini, the true value of the product is really already determined. If you were able to purchase every pack, you'd lose more than 20% of your money, 1) we don't buy at wholesale 2) factor in that part of his 80% production costs are the packaging which has no value.

Still, all that being said, this is a lottery ticket and if you like to gamble, you've found your product. Yes, I've got two packs in Andrew's break, so I'm in...though its debatable whether that $445 would have been better spent on Black on the Roulette table (credit goes to Lisu for that reference).

I feel like 80% return is better than any box I've ever opened.

At the $225 price point, it's probably closer to 60% ROI.

Bottom line:
The product is not for everyone. The guys that are looking for the ultimate big hit, greatest rookie card checklist ever assmebled, THIS ONE IS FOR YOU!

BG

 

[phillyfan0417]

You guys are killing me. Of COURSE it is gambling. So is the three boxes of 2007 bowman chrome I bought. I pulled (3) $1 autos. What do you think the ROI on those boxes will be? Much worse than what the ROI will be in this product.

I just don't understand why you guys are stuck on the gambling aspect of this. What do you call opening cases of Exquisite Basketball? How many of those actually hit 70% ROI? 1 in 5? 1in 10?

Get over it. It will be fun to watch and more interesting to watch be opened than any product I remember.

skrip

Not sure why you think anyone is bent out of shape over it since i dont think anyone is saying it in a negative way, at least not me. All wax is gambling but this product has jackpots in it.

Context is tough on the internet.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

I wasn't in the chat the whole time yesterday, but the most important point that I saw was that the production costs are 80% of wholesale. Because in general we're talking about cards bought at or near market value, versus true production like any new product made by Topps, UD, Panini, the true value of the product is really already determined. If you were able to purchase every pack, you'd lose more than 20% of your money, 1) we don't buy at wholesale 2) factor in that part of his 80% production costs are the packaging which has no value.

Still, all that being said, this is a lottery ticket and if you like to gamble, you've found your product. Yes, I've got two packs in Andrew's break, so I'm in...though its debatable whether that $445 would have been better spent on Black on the Roulette table (credit goes to Lisu for that reference).

I feel like 80% return is better than any box I've ever opened.

Not 80% return, more like 70%, but that's if you were buying the entire production run. Clearly it was a hypothetical scenario. That being said, I don't think you'd lose 20-30% if you bought an entire production run of Bowman Chrome...a hypothetical that can't be proved out. But I'm comparing Apples to Oranges here, they are completely different beasts.

Packaging is 2.5% of production costs... so ROI at factory cost (the price I sold it for) is 77.5%.
If you factor the 10% markup Jeff refers to, the return is 70%+.
BG

Do you mind mentioning what factory cost was? If not, I understand.

Thanks, Brian.

 

[BowmanChromeAddict]

You guys are killing me. Of COURSE it is gambling. So is the three boxes of 2007 bowman chrome I bought. I pulled (3) $1 autos. What do you think the ROI on those boxes will be? Much worse than what the ROI will be in this product.

I just don't understand why you guys are stuck on the gambling aspect of this. What do you call opening cases of Exquisite Basketball? How many of those actually hit 70% ROI? 1 in 5? 1in 10?

Get over it. It will be fun to watch and more interesting to watch be opened than any product I remember.

skrip

Not sure why you think anyone is bent out of shape over it since i dont think anyone is saying it in a negative way, at least not me. All wax is gambling but this product has jackpots in it.

Context is tough on the internet.

Exactly. We're just talking numbers for the sake of talking numbers. I've already made it clear that I'm in for 2 boxes.

 

[KOBEARODLT]

is it just me or would other people have liked it more if there was like 6 pujols bowman chrome rc autos instead of the strasburg?

 

[PeteD]

This is one product you can sit on (if you can even fantom that) for 10 yrs and not lose a cent imho.

 

[Jaypers]

This is one product you can sit on (if you can even fantom that) for 10 yrs and not lose a cent imho.

Quit being a menace, Mr. Fantom.

I'm already planning on doing just that - good thing I don't weigh a lot.

 

[PeteD]

fathom :mrgreen:

 

[ballerskrip]

Sorry if I was taking things you guys are writing the wrong way. My bad. Anyways, I am looking forward to watching tbis stuff get ripped!

Skrip