sneak preview.... 2011 LEAF VALIANT ICHIRO ON-CARD AUTOGRAPH

[Russ S.]

^^ Now THOSE are sexy Charlie!! ^^

 

[ChasHawk]

Charlie, the 90s technology was lost and could not be recovered.

thats a damn shame

^^ Now THOSE are sexy Charlie!! ^^

 

[Leaf]

Chas,
Have you seen these in person?
Your speaking as if you have..
Interested to know...
BG

Ps- the samples at the national were NOT finished...

Ps2- 2007 ginter didn't feel like original vintage ginter, but was damn good!!! (better in some ways)

 

[Junior Griffey]

I think they look good. If I didn't already have an Ichiro auto I'd probably go after something from this.

There could be a thread titled "Brian Gray wore a blue shirt yesterday", and it would go 5 pages.

 

[tunahead]

Man I would hate to be the owner of a card company... there sure are a lot of whiney little b*tches in this hobby...

 

[BigAppleJak]

Brian,
They are really nice, congrats and good luck!

 

[wolfmanalfredo]

Leaf could be catering to people like me that are purely interested because of the crusade style set. I never buy non mlb photo products, but I can't pass this up.

 

[miguelcabrera]

i dont see anything wrong with it
only thing i find kind of funny is the word "technology" when describing card designs

 

[Leaf]

Miggy,

It is not just a design issue. This is a technology... To recreate this "finish" and "feel" is very difficult.

As someone who actually makes cards, trust me... Its technology ..
BG

Ps- design is only a tiny piece of the puzzle..

 

[sportscardtheory]

BG, I am quite confident the product will sell out and do well for you...that's not the point


These:

Do not look anywhere near as good as these:

In hand, with a camera, on a scanner...doesn't matter

I wish you luck with the company and your products BG, but don't spit on my head and tell me its raining

Why do people get so bent out of shape whenever Brian/Leaf/Razor is involved. lol It's like they go out of their way to be grumpy, snarky, piss-pots. You don't like the design as much as the '98 Crusades. So what. I mean really. SO WHAT. The pessimism is just SO very needless. ::facepalm::

 

[jrinne]

i dont see anything wrong with it
only thing i find kind of funny is the word "technology" when describing card designs

How else would you do it? Doesn't a graphic design artist have to use some sort of "technology" to design the card?

 

[RZimm11]

, but he isn't marketing it as a Crusade flashback, or anything like that..

Huh? it seems pretty obvious that he is doing EXACTLY that. Why do you say he isn't?
Although i personally would have preferred if he used the exact same design than modifying it slightly.

Just like the topps fan favorites look "similar" to original design, but not the same. Collectors prefer it if they use the same design like the 2001 topps archives or heritage than the simlar design like the topps fan favorites. both are usually successful, but the ones that have the same design are always preferred.

No he is not. He's using the popularity of Crusades to sell his own set. Whether he owns the rights to them now or not is irrelevant. He's not calling this set Crusades. He's calling it Valiant using another set's design. He/his design team didn't come up with the idea.

He hasn't done an original idea IN BASEBALL yet, but everyone wants to bow down to him as the Next Big Thing in baseball cards. Whether it's because he's a board member, or they actually know him, or just that they want someone/anyone to challenge Topps.

The constant praising of Brian for his product, just because of who he is, is astounding.

His first 3 BASEBALL products have been a set with pseudo-superfractors, a Crusade clone, and a "set" of re-packaged cards from another company.

I'm not a hater of Brian or Leaf. If he wants to ride on the coattails of what others have done already and make a boatload of money in the process, so be it. He apparently has a board full of members here who will buy it. I'm more a "hater" of the board-wide praise for someone who hasn't shown anything of his own yet.

I know he's done great stuff with Poker, the one-off player specific sets, etc. But THIS IS BASEBALL. This is a baseball set, this is the baseball board.

I'm all for something new, I'd love for Brian to put something "new and innovative" out. If it was good, I'd probably pick some up. But he hasn't yet. He's copied/re-sold what has worked before from other people, plain and simple.

 

[tunahead]

, but he isn't marketing it as a Crusade flashback, or anything like that..

Huh? it seems pretty obvious that he is doing EXACTLY that. Why do you say he isn't?
Although i personally would have preferred if he used the exact same design than modifying it slightly.

Just like the topps fan favorites look "similar" to original design, but not the same. Collectors prefer it if they use the same design like the 2001 topps archives or heritage than the simlar design like the topps fan favorites. both are usually successful, but the ones that have the same design are always preferred.

No he is not. He's using the popularity of Crusades to sell his own set. Whether he owns the rights to them now or not is irrelevant. He's not calling this set Crusades. He's calling it Valiant using another set's design. He/his design team didn't come up with the idea.

He hasn't done an original idea IN BASEBALL yet, but everyone wants to bow down to him as the Next Big Thing in baseball cards. Whether it's because he's a board member, or they actually know him, or just that they want someone/anyone to challenge Topps.

The constant praising of Brian for his product, just because of who he is, is astounding.

His first 3 BASEBALL products have been a set with pseudo-superfractors, a Crusade clone, and a "set" of re-packaged cards from another company.

I'm not a hater of Brian or Leaf. If he wants to ride on the coattails of what others have done already and make a boatload of money in the process, so be it. He apparently has a board full of members here who will buy it. I'm more a "hater" of the board-wide praise for someone who hasn't shown anything of his own yet.

I know he's done great stuff with Poker, the one-off player specific sets, etc. But THIS IS BASEBALL. This is a baseball set, this is the baseball board.

I'm all for something new, I'd love for Brian to put something "new and innovative" out. If it was good, I'd probably pick some up. But he hasn't yet. He's copied/re-sold what has worked before from other people, plain and simple.

Why are you so emotional over this? Why do you care? If some people like this, so be it, let them like it. To continually keep ripping on it makes it sound like you've got a personal vendetta against Leaf.

 

[sportscardtheory]

, but he isn't marketing it as a Crusade flashback, or anything like that..

Huh? it seems pretty obvious that he is doing EXACTLY that. Why do you say he isn't?
Although i personally would have preferred if he used the exact same design than modifying it slightly.

Just like the topps fan favorites look "similar" to original design, but not the same. Collectors prefer it if they use the same design like the 2001 topps archives or heritage than the simlar design like the topps fan favorites. both are usually successful, but the ones that have the same design are always preferred.

No he is not. He's using the popularity of Crusades to sell his own set. Whether he owns the rights to them now or not is irrelevant. He's not calling this set Crusades. He's calling it Valiant using another set's design. He/his design team didn't come up with the idea.

He hasn't done an original idea IN BASEBALL yet, but everyone wants to bow down to him as the Next Big Thing in baseball cards. Whether it's because he's a board member, or they actually know him, or just that they want someone/anyone to challenge Topps.

The constant praising of Brian for his product, just because of who he is, is astounding.

His first 3 BASEBALL products have been a set with pseudo-superfractors, a Crusade clone, and a "set" of re-packaged cards from another company.

I'm not a hater of Brian or Leaf. If he wants to ride on the coattails of what others have done already and make a boatload of money in the process, so be it. He apparently has a board full of members here who will buy it. I'm more a "hater" of the board-wide praise for someone who hasn't shown anything of his own yet.

I know he's done great stuff with Poker, the one-off player specific sets, etc. But THIS IS BASEBALL. This is a baseball set, this is the baseball board.

I'm all for something new, I'd love for Brian to put something "new and innovative" out. If it was good, I'd probably pick some up. But he hasn't yet. He's copied/re-sold what has worked before from other people, plain and simple.

Brian's company is Leaf. To view Leaf now using older Leaf styles and similar styles in a negative light is just plain asinine. It's ridiculous. Leaf was bought for the name and they have every right to use retro Leaf styles, they PAID for it. I can't understand for the life of me why this is an issue for some people. It's completely petty and absurd for this to even be an issue.

 

[subject to change]

Maybe my perspective is a little different, looking at things as a team collector rather than someone looking to make a profit from prospecting. But with that said, I'm thrilled to see this set go live. Could the design have been a little more unique? Probably. But I can't see how this is any worse than Topps Heritage, Bowman Heritage, A&G, Topps 205, Cracker Jack...I think you get the point. I can't really recall seeing any exciting, innovative designs that really blew me away since the late 90's/early 00's.

Regardless of how much these cards do or don't resemble the original Crusades, there hasn't been any set that looks even remotely close to these cards since 1998. Personally, I can't wait to add some of these to my collection. The set may not be for everybody, but the same can be said for any other product. I can't see having variety as a bad thing. Brian isn't going to hit a home run with every single product, nor will Topps. But the nice part of collecting is that you have the option to decide what interests you and what doesn't.

 

[RZimm11]

Why are you so emotional over this? Why do you care? If some people like this, so be it, let them like it. To continually keep ripping on it makes it sound like you've got a personal vendetta against Leaf.

If people would actually read what is written, instead of what is locked in their head, it would be wonderful.

I said, I have no problem with Brian or Leaf. I was looking forward to his new sets. Then they show up, and they are just rehashed designs of old stuff that's been done.

I know people will buy it. That's fine. I will buy something of his too, when he comes out with something of his own doing.

My problem is with the blind praise thrown around by the sheep on this board for someone who hasn't proven anything in the BASEBALL CARD market yet.

 

[Casebusters]

, but he isn't marketing it as a Crusade flashback, or anything like that..

Huh? it seems pretty obvious that he is doing EXACTLY that. Why do you say he isn't?
Although i personally would have preferred if he used the exact same design than modifying it slightly.

Just like the topps fan favorites look "similar" to original design, but not the same. Collectors prefer it if they use the same design like the 2001 topps archives or heritage than the simlar design like the topps fan favorites. both are usually successful, but the ones that have the same design are always preferred.

No he is not. He's using the popularity of Crusades to sell his own set. Whether he owns the rights to them now or not is irrelevant. He's not calling this set Crusades. He's calling it Valiant using another set's design. He/his design team didn't come up with the idea.

He hasn't done an original idea IN BASEBALL yet, but everyone wants to bow down to him as the Next Big Thing in baseball cards. Whether it's because he's a board member, or they actually know him, or just that they want someone/anyone to challenge Topps.

The constant praising of Brian for his product, just because of who he is, is astounding.

His first 3 BASEBALL products have been a set with pseudo-superfractors, a Crusade clone, and a "set" of re-packaged cards from another company.

I'm not a hater of Brian or Leaf. If he wants to ride on the coattails of what others have done already and make a boatload of money in the process, so be it. He apparently has a board full of members here who will buy it. I'm more a "hater" of the board-wide praise for someone who hasn't shown anything of his own yet.

I know he's done great stuff with Poker, the one-off player specific sets, etc. But THIS IS BASEBALL. This is a baseball set, this is the baseball board.

I'm all for something new, I'd love for Brian to put something "new and innovative" out. If it was good, I'd probably pick some up. But he hasn't yet. He's copied/re-sold what has worked before from other people, plain and simple.

Brian's company is Leaf. To view Leaf now using older Leaf styles and similar styles in a negative light is just plain asinine. It's ridiculous. Leaf was bought for the name and they have every right to use retro Leaf styles, they PAID for it. I can't understand for the life of me why this is an issue for some people. It's completely petty and absurd for this to even be an issue.

what about this product?
2010 Panini Totally Certified
Wasn't that originally a Leaf product?

 

[sportscardtheory]

, but he isn't marketing it as a Crusade flashback, or anything like that..

Huh? it seems pretty obvious that he is doing EXACTLY that. Why do you say he isn't?
Although i personally would have preferred if he used the exact same design than modifying it slightly.

Just like the topps fan favorites look "similar" to original design, but not the same. Collectors prefer it if they use the same design like the 2001 topps archives or heritage than the simlar design like the topps fan favorites. both are usually successful, but the ones that have the same design are always preferred.

No he is not. He's using the popularity of Crusades to sell his own set. Whether he owns the rights to them now or not is irrelevant. He's not calling this set Crusades. He's calling it Valiant using another set's design. He/his design team didn't come up with the idea.

He hasn't done an original idea IN BASEBALL yet, but everyone wants to bow down to him as the Next Big Thing in baseball cards. Whether it's because he's a board member, or they actually know him, or just that they want someone/anyone to challenge Topps.

The constant praising of Brian for his product, just because of who he is, is astounding.

His first 3 BASEBALL products have been a set with pseudo-superfractors, a Crusade clone, and a "set" of re-packaged cards from another company.

I'm not a hater of Brian or Leaf. If he wants to ride on the coattails of what others have done already and make a boatload of money in the process, so be it. He apparently has a board full of members here who will buy it. I'm more a "hater" of the board-wide praise for someone who hasn't shown anything of his own yet.

I know he's done great stuff with Poker, the one-off player specific sets, etc. But THIS IS BASEBALL. This is a baseball set, this is the baseball board.

I'm all for something new, I'd love for Brian to put something "new and innovative" out. If it was good, I'd probably pick some up. But he hasn't yet. He's copied/re-sold what has worked before from other people, plain and simple.

Brian's company is Leaf. To view Leaf now using older Leaf styles and similar styles in a negative light is just plain asinine. It's ridiculous. Leaf was bought for the name and they have every right to use retro Leaf styles, they PAID for it. I can't understand for the life of me why this is an issue for some people. It's completely petty and absurd for this to even be an issue.

what about this product?
2010 Panini Totally Certified
Wasn't that originally a Leaf product?

I think Panini obtained rights to some Leaf/Donruss issues when they obtained whichever company (or just naming rights, I don't know) used to be Donruss. Not sure about that, but it seems to be the case.

 

[RZimm11]

Brian's company is Leaf. To view Leaf now using older Leaf styles and similar styles in a negative light is just plain asinine. It's ridiculous. Leaf was bought for the name and they have every right to use retro Leaf styles, they PAID for it. I can't understand for the life of me why this is an issue for some people. It's completely petty and absurd for this to even be an issue.

Once again, read what I wrote. I have no problem with him using what he paid for. He has every right to use the name/design/whatever of the Leaf brand.

My problem isn't with Brian/Leaf, it's the blind praise given to him by people on this board for everything he does.

If he puts out a new set of his own, and it's good, then so be it. I'd probably buy some.

If he puts out a rehashed set of someone else's previous work and calls it his own, then that's exactly what it is, and shouldn't be praised like the second coming of baseball cards.

 

[sportscardtheory]

Brian's company is Leaf. To view Leaf now using older Leaf styles and similar styles in a negative light is just plain asinine. It's ridiculous. Leaf was bought for the name and they have every right to use retro Leaf styles, they PAID for it. I can't understand for the life of me why this is an issue for some people. It's completely petty and absurd for this to even be an issue.

Once again, read what I wrote. I have no problem with him using what he paid for. He has every right to use the name/design/whatever of the Leaf brand.

My problem isn't with Brian/Leaf, it's the blind praise given to him by people on this board for everything he does.

If he puts out a new set of his own, and it's good, then so be it. I'd probably buy some.

If he puts out a rehashed set of someone else's previous work and calls it his own, then that's exactly what it is, and shouldn't be praised like the second coming of baseball cards.

So you have an issue with some people liking the product/products. Why?