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so boomo, after reading and busting the few cases, will you be busting more or are you done with Heroes of Sport?
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so boomo, after reading and busting the few cases, will you be busting more or are you done with Heroes of Sport?
Highly doubt the product is illegal. I'm sure the company had lawyers who specialize in the area look into the legality of the product. Really don't see a difference between this and what topps does with the code cards. The product I believe is only sold by the box so you are guaranteed to get a card and/or items, not just the raffle ticket, and the fact you also receive points with the ticket I'm sure also is some sort of defense that it is not an illegal grab bag or lottery. I'm not an expert by any means in this area but I'd be very surprised if there are any legal issues with the product.
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Just because you do a Google search and copy and paste the first statute/code that pops up doesn't make you an expert on the subject. First I believe the company is located in Washington. I know your from Philly so doubt you're barred in Washington. Also since it involves a company that does business in multiple states I would think federal laws may be involved. What is your area of expertise? Unless you specialize in regulations involving gaming and/or gambling I don't think it's fair for you to make such a definitive statement as if you are certain it's illegal. I mean if I need brain surgery I don't go to a podiatrist. They may both be doctors but one is qualified to give a definitive opinion and do the surgery and the other is not. Now I'm not saying you shouldn't have an opinion or that you may not be ultimately right, just that for you to claim to know for sure it is illegal and act like an expert on the subject just because you are an attorney is a little presumptuous and borderline arrogant.
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Just because you do a Google search and copy and paste the first statute/code that pops up doesn't make you an expert on the subject. First I believe the company is located in Washington. I know your from Philly so doubt you're barred in Washington. Also since it involves a company that does business in multiple states I would think federal laws may be involved. What is your area of expertise? Unless you specialize in regulations involving gaming and/or gambling I don't think it's fair for you to make such a definitive statement as if you are certain it's illegal. I mean if I need brain surgery I don't go to a podiatrist. They may both be doctors but one is qualified to give a definitive opinion and do the surgery and the other is not. Now I'm not saying you shouldn't have an opinion or that you may not be ultimately right, just that for you to claim to know for sure it is illegal and act like an expert on the subject just because you are an attorney is a little presumptuous and borderline arrogant.
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Just because you do a Google search and copy and paste the first statute/code that pops up doesn't make you an expert on the subject. First I believe the company is located in Washington. I know your from Philly so doubt you're barred in Washington. Also since it involves a company that does business in multiple states I would think federal laws may be involved. What is your area of expertise? Unless you specialize in regulations involving gaming and/or gambling I don't think it's fair for you to make such a definitive statement as if you are certain it's illegal. I mean if I need brain surgery I don't go to a podiatrist. They may both be doctors but one is qualified to give a definitive opinion and do the surgery and the other is not. Now I'm not saying you shouldn't have an opinion or that you may not be ultimately right, just that for you to claim to know for sure it is illegal and act like an expert on the subject just because you are an attorney is a little presumptuous and borderline arrogant.
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Look at everyone jumping down Mario1975's throat because he shared an opinion. lol Relax, people. It's baseball cards.
look at sportscardtheory jumping in to defend the guy questioning the lawyers understanding of the law.
its a message board genius, people debate and sometimes argue and sometimes point out silly posts.
look at sportscardtheory jumping in to defend the guy questioning the lawyers understanding of the law.
its a message board genius, people debate and sometimes argue and sometimes point out silly posts.
Yes, just because Jeff is a lawyer, everything he says is absolute truth. Give me a break. Lawyers are human, not fact robots.
then maybe mario should have tried something novel, show some facts as to how jeff was wrong...oh wait, he didnt have any.
I hate to bring it up again, and I did the research years ago in regard to he shall not be named, which prompted his own attorneys to do the same, and reach the same conclusion: even without the lottery cards, this is most likely an illegal grab-bag/lottery type promotion. With the lottery/raffle cards, it's clearly same.
You can believe every word Jeff says, because he's a lawyer, all you want. What do I care.
If you didn't care, you wouldn't post.
Unless Mario75 is going to pay me $300-350 an hour, I'm not going to provide further analysis for him. If he's truly interested, search my 9000+ posts and find a Leaf Rookie Retro thread from 3 years ago. I gave a relatively complete legal analysis there. Unfortunately, I didn't save it to any network as it is completely irrelevant to my every day life. That was research I did because I was curious on the issue and I had a desire to prove that I was right (which is one reason I'm good at what I do). BG took that info, ran it past his own attorneys, who obviously found enough information there to add content to the product. To his credit, he'll take all of the information he can in on his products and do what he can to make them better. I feel pretty confident that I'm right.
And if I'm not, I can still sleep well at night. WHile the law is on the books, it's damn hard to enforce when this product isn't in any real retail channel, and even if it was, it would take someone actually wanting to enforce it from the criminal side (ie an injunction on the sale of the product). Where it comes into play is if there's a class action claim to try to obtain a refund as the product was illegal to sell in the first place. Depending on how much of this is sold, someone may actually take up the claim. It won't be me, I can assure you of that.
I've read enough of Mario75's posts to realize that there's not a whole lot of intellect behind them. I believe same has been questioned numerous times in the past. It's like a grownup Miggy.
Thanks for the words, folks.